Take America Back (Page 3): First of all Capitalism is failing and needs to be replaced with a new economic system that is not so rapacious, exploitive and not based on the master...

Nickolai

Iamdjchrys wrote:

And the solution to this is???

First of all Capitalism is failing and needs to be replaced with a new economic system that is not so rapacious, exploitive and not based on the master slave model.
Feudalism replaced Slavery as an economic system. Feudalism is a political and military system between a feudal aristocracy (a lord or liege) and his vassals. A master slave system. lordship and vassalage. Fuedalism evolved to Mercantilism and in the 18 century into Capitalism. This is system built on the exploitation and de-humanization of the worker in exchange for larger shareholder profits. A master/slave relationship coincides with today’s perilous employer/employee relationship. in practice and in reality, a capitalist system will almost indelibly contain inequality, and generally speaking lots of it. And from a wider perspective, this often includes exploitation which can be seen as a form of modern slavery.

The capitalist needs the worker. But the capitalist also dominates the worker. The capitalist decides whether the worker has a job or not. That’s an enormous power. The capitalist pays the worker, or not. The capitalist profits from the worker. The worker is dependent for income, for the work, for his/her position in the world, ability to feed their children. The dependence of the worker on the capitalist can appear to be one-sided, slavish in many respects and many workers have felt that. And indeed, the capitalist acts in a dominating way toward the employee all the time. Capitalists are forever trying to replace workers with machines to save having to pay the worker any wages by replacing the costly worker with a less costly computer or a less costly robot. The capitalist is always (in a way) threatening the worker by unemployment by having the worker replaced with a machine. Likewise, the worker is threatened by his/her employer because the employer has the power to relocate production. That capitalist, for example, can relocate to where wages are lower, or threaten your job by moving to China, India, or Brazil, or Mexico.

There’s another way the capitalist can threaten your job. If he chooses not to move the production to another country to catch the low wages there, he can bring the low wage people here and get away with paying them less money for the work that he would have had to pay a native-born person here. So capitalists are always threatening, squeezing, calculating, and conniving to save on labor costs which threaten the worker. The system compels capitalists to do that; they’re competing with other capitalists who are doing it, so they have to also. They depend on profits to stay in business and profits can be enhanced by automating the workers or relocating to lower wages.

But here comes now the other side that alerts us to look for. The more successful the employer is (replacing workers with machines, moving production out of the country), and the more the capitalist does, he is forced to confront his dependency as a capitalist on the workers. Because having cut the wages or removed the wages of workers, the workers lack the ability to buy. To buy what? To buy what the capitalist has to sell to stay in business. Here in lies what Hegel calls the contradiction: the two-way relationship of dependence. The worker depends on the capitalist to be sure like the slave depends on the master, but the reverse also holds, the capitalist depends on the workers, he depends on the workers to produce whatever it is he has to sell, but he also depends on workers to buy what it is he has to sell. And if they cannot, or if they do not, then the capitalist is as destroyed as the master would be destroyed if the slaves were unable or unwilling to work.

First of all the workers are the majority, the capitalists are the minority. As it was with masters and slaves and workers long ago who struggled to get universal suffrage, to be able to vote, make political leadership at least subject to one-person-one-vote. And that gives the masses the power through the vote to confront the masters, the employers, and workers use that power, who often choose someone for government that the employers were at best neutral about or very skeptical about. That’s what the workers in England did when they voted to leave the European Union. And that’s what many workers did in this country when they voted for Mr. Trump after the business establishment made it clear that they were at best of mixed minds about him.

teabag09

Solarkin, this wasn't started by obama. This started many years ago but has been extremely expanded by the 60 radicals on the democratic side since. obama was brought in to further the left's agenda but he didn't start it. He's a puppet doing the masters bidding. The left is now led and controlled by Satanist. Why do you think God has been shamed out of almost every aspect of our society? What I'm saying is to not just concentrate on obama only but realize that the whole of the left has converted to Satan. Mike

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teabag09

Hi Sarge. Haven't seen you here before. Welcome. When replying if you'll use Quote Reply we'll know who you are replying to. Makes it easier to understand your quotes. Mike

PLT Sarge wrote:

I agree with your sentiment, if our Congress will not stand with our President through AG Sessions to just enforce the Laws that are in lawful legislation passed by that same Congress. Then this President has no other choice to do what he said he would do. Secure America.

teabag09

The very reason they want to DIS-ARM us! Mike

Nickolai wrote:

The last two decades of the twentieth century, echoed the zeniths of corruption and excess-the Gilded Age and the 1920s-when the rich in the United States slipped their usual political constraints, and this trend continued into the new century. By the 1990s data showed the United States replacing Europe at the pinnacle of Western privilege and inequality. This, of course, is part of what made the United States the prime target of terrorism in much the same way as the Europe of czars, kings, and grand dukes was during the period of 1880 to 1920. Finance itself had been a target before-in 1886, an anarchist flung acid and fired shots at the stockbrokers of the Paris Bourse, and in September 1920, terrorists set off dynamite on Wall Street in front of the offices of J. P. Morgan. Thirty-four people were killed and more than two hundred injured.
Given these extraordinary wealth-related circumstances, provocations, and stakes, a political history of the American rich must inquire far beyond the predictable concentration of assets, inequality, and conspicuous consumption. It must also pursue troubling and crippling side effects: high levels of political corruption, the arrogance of global economic power, the twisting of the U.S. tax code, and the voter belief in the captivity of government to private interests.
The inroads on American democracy in the 1980s and 1990s have many philosophical as well as political patrons: think tanks, university chairs, and publications joined in praise of economic elites, corporate predators, Darwinian competition, the claims of political moneygiving to be free speech, uninhibited markets, global policing on behalf of investment, and "free" enterprise (however reliant on friendly government). Allied pundits and promoters, in turn, have repeatedly undercut popular programs ranging from Social Security to business regulation. Unelected judges, central bankers, trade regulators, and global economic organizations have been encouraged in taking over powers earlier enjoyed by elected national leaders and legislatures. Critics counter with charges of a growing "democratic deficit

These trends are closely related to-indeed, many of their conservative protagonists are funded by-America's deepening wealth and income concentrations. Between 1979 and 1989 the portion of the nation's wealth held by the top 1 percent nearly doubled from 22 percent to 39 percent. By the mid-nineties, some economists estimated that the top 1 percent had captured 70 percent of all earnings growth since the mid-seventies. Corruption dominates the ballot-box, the Legislatures, the Congress and touches even the ermine of the bench. The fruits of the toil of millions are boldly stolen to build up colossal fortunes for a few, unprecedented in the history of mankind; and the possessors of these, in turn, despise the Republic and endanger liberty. Working people ordinary citizens need to find a way to take the country back from the reactionaries who have peeled away the FDR New deal that created the largest middle class the world had ever seen and is now being decimated

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teabag09

I think it would probably be more important for the American People to read that lesson than just President Trump. Hell, he's trying to reverse the destructive direction the people of this Country have been going in. Mike

Armageddun wrote:

Thanks for your research and input; I totally agree with: If the pattern of Roman history can show Trump one thing, it is that he would be wise to look not only at the troubles brewing without but also at those brewing within.

Radiance3

Armageddun wrote:

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Kudos to you. I like everything you said. They are exactly what need to be done. Obey the rules, respect the laws of our country. For so many had died and suffered protecting the freedom that we dearly hold.

My husband served in Vietnam. He was drafted in 1967 while we were both college students. We married before he left. He served as a medic in the US Army. He saved lives. My husband was only 5 feet 9 inches tall, smaller and struggled carrying the heavy loads of medical equipment and supplies on the war zone. There were 15 members on his team, one among them was a tall black man his assistant, his buddy, his brother, and best friend. He helped carried the heavy luggage of his medical equipment and supplies, as they rescued injured men in the combat zone.

Unfortunately his assistant was hit. He could not save him and died on his arm. He went back to Alabama to inform his family.
He cried without shame, experiencing the pain and agony the parents had, as if it was his own.

Even after several years had passed by, I usually heared him cry at the middle of the night, having nightmares, talking in sleep, because he lost his buddy, his best friend who equally sacrificed with him in the battlefield. I usually woke him up when he had his nightmare, crying and moaning as if in agony of pain. I too felt the pain, as I heard him in this agony. Unfortunately he had passed away, carrying with him this dreadful experience of pain and nightmare for many years. He is in the good hands of the Lord now. May the good Lord, bless and protect all our veterans on the field of duty.

Now, those who do not respect our flag, the veterans who fought for our freedom, our National Anthem, and our country do not deserve to stay in America.

DamnYANKEE

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And I NEVER met Anyone who fought for SOCIALISM

Iamdjchrys Loc: Decatur, Texas

Was there a reason for the rehash of this quick history of dialog?

Randy131 Loc: Florida

The problem is that what you espouse has already been proven failures and much worse than capitalism, as was proven by Russia and it's old USSR and Red China who both has moved into capitalism because of their previous system's economic failures, and what Cuba, North Korea and now Venezuella are still suffering through. The proof that most the people around the world are trying to get to the USA is also proof of the success of capitalism, but people like you just want to change into a system that you can control your fellow citizens with, instead of allowing everyone to be free to do whatever they want, just because you are envious and jealous of those who are much more capable and successful than you are, and their success versus your unsuccess proves what you hate to admit, therefore want to change the game to give people like you power over everyone else. What you espouse has always proven to be huge failures for the common people, and the system we enjoy now has always proven to be the best fo all the people, and allows them the freedom to do what they want, instead of being ordered to do what people like you want.

Nickolai wrote:

First of all Capitalism is failing and needs to be replaced with a new economic system that is not so rapacious, exploitive and not based on the master slave model.
Feudalism replaced Slavery as an economic system. Feudalism is a political and military system between a feudal aristocracy (a lord or liege) and his vassals. A master slave system. lordship and vassalage. Fuedalism evolved to Mercantilism and in the 18 century into Capitalism. This is system built on the exploitation and de-humanization of the worker in exchange for larger shareholder profits. A master/slave relationship coincides with today’s perilous employer/employee relationship. in practice and in reality, a capitalist system will almost indelibly contain inequality, and generally speaking lots of it. And from a wider perspective, this often includes exploitation which can be seen as a form of modern slavery.

The capitalist needs the worker. But the capitalist also dominates the worker. The capitalist decides whether the worker has a job or not. That’s an enormous power. The capitalist pays the worker, or not. The capitalist profits from the worker. The worker is dependent for income, for the work, for his/her position in the world, ability to feed their children. The dependence of the worker on the capitalist can appear to be one-sided, slavish in many respects and many workers have felt that. And indeed, the capitalist acts in a dominating way toward the employee all the time. Capitalists are forever trying to replace workers with machines to save having to pay the worker any wages by replacing the costly worker with a less costly computer or a less costly robot. The capitalist is always (in a way) threatening the worker by unemployment by having the worker replaced with a machine. Likewise, the worker is threatened by his/her employer because the employer has the power to relocate production. That capitalist, for example, can relocate to where wages are lower, or threaten your job by moving to China, India, or Brazil, or Mexico.

There’s another way the capitalist can threaten your job. If he chooses not to move the production to another country to catch the low wages there, he can bring the low wage people here and get away with paying them less money for the work that he would have had to pay a native-born person here. So capitalists are always threatening, squeezing, calculating, and conniving to save on labor costs which threaten the worker. The system compels capitalists to do that; they’re competing with other capitalists who are doing it, so they have to also. They depend on profits to stay in business and profits can be enhanced by automating the workers or relocating to lower wages.

But here comes now the other side that alerts us to look for. The more successful the employer is (replacing workers with machines, moving production out of the country), and the more the capitalist does, he is forced to confront his dependency as a capitalist on the workers. Because having cut the wages or removed the wages of workers, the workers lack the ability to buy. To buy what? To buy what the capitalist has to sell to stay in business. Here in lies what Hegel calls the contradiction: the two-way relationship of dependence. The worker depends on the capitalist to be sure like the slave depends on the master, but the reverse also holds, the capitalist depends on the workers, he depends on the workers to produce whatever it is he has to sell, but he also depends on workers to buy what it is he has to sell. And if they cannot, or if they do not, then the capitalist is as destroyed as the master would be destroyed if the slaves were unable or unwilling to work.

First of all the workers are the majority, the capitalists are the minority. As it was with masters and slaves and workers long ago who struggled to get universal suffrage, to be able to vote, make political leadership at least subject to one-person-one-vote. And that gives the masses the power through the vote to confront the masters, the employers, and workers use that power, who often choose someone for government that the employers were at best neutral about or very skeptical about. That’s what the workers in England did when they voted to leave the European Union. And that’s what many workers did in this country when they voted for Mr. Trump after the business establishment made it clear that they were at best of mixed minds about him.

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Nickolai

Randy131
(Obama was completely incognizant of US history and our heritage, as his main goal, as he stated, was to change it,it, even though Obama had read many books, but not the books that would honor our heritage, our country, and it's people, as all his actions have proven. Read the '5,000 Year Leap', by S. Leon Skousen''

Nickolai
Obama's law degree is in Constitutional law so he had to read many books to get his degree Trump doesn't hve the patience to read a book, His professor at Warton says he was the biggest ass hole he ever saw. Leon Skousen was a John Bircher. William F Buckley the father of the modern conservative movement posited that the Birchers were too radical

Randy 131
(The election of a demagogue occurred when Obama was elected, not President Trump

Nickolai
This is a completely false assertion. All Trump has done is write EO's in an obvious attempt to erase Obamas legacy completely

Randy131
(President Trump has never positioned himself against the elites, but just the opposite, by declaring that he himself has always been one of the elites, especially concerning economics, financing, and wealth, and he constantly brags about the elites that he has appointed to his cabinet to help him run our nation, from the military, wall street, education, and other government jobs, and is the reason why the American people elected him

Nickolai
Trump demagoged by saying the things that ordinary Americans wanted to hear presenting him self as a man of the common people It was the biggest con job in history and the same message Adolph delivered to the German people. He poses exactly as Benito Mussolini did I recognized it immediately all three men are great conn men

Randy 131
(Because President Trump reacts to attacks on him by attacking those who initiates attacks on him, has nothing to do with hot-headedness, but simply defending himself,

Nickolai
President Obama was bashed by the right on hate radio and Fox News 24/7 and he responded with humor and good spirits. It is common knowledge that the way to get to Trump is to be little him show his ignorance and incompetence he cannot keep from lashing out because he continues to have rallies because he desperately needs the adoring crowds showering him with love and adoration

Randi131
(President Trump has never implied that he was "the proponent of a new age", that is what Obama declared with his promised "Change of America" before and after his election, while President Trump only promised to return the USA and the American people to what they once were in our past, by "Making America Great Again", which was no myth, while Obama's declaration certainly was proven to be by "waving goodbye to one age and entering a new one" which never occurred.)

Nickolai
What people wanted was change from the trickle down forces that were decimating the middle class and brought on the financial crises of 2007-8 when millions lost their homes pensions savings ect. It never happened because Obama faced more than 200 filibusters in his first term alone. It was In his second term that he had to resort to the EO to get any thing done

Randy131
(President Trump doesn't need to learn the significance of "bread and circuses" of Roman times, for he and Mike Pence are shutting down these circusses (NFL arenas and TV) of today by shaming their disrespect and dishonor for our nation and it's people who serve it, as well as their devisiveness of our people,

Nickloai
Obama naively tried to bring Republicans and democrats together but McConnell said from the start their job was to make Obama a one term president Obama only divided people because conservatives wanted it that way. Trump divides people with his reckless and divisive retoric

Armageddun Loc: The show me state

Randy131 wrote:

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Nickolai

Radiance3 wrote:

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The good man died not for his country but fo the military industrial complex and a lie . A lie that if north Vietnam won the civil war between the north and south that all of Asia would fall to communism and the Gulf of Tonkin incident that did not happen that was used as an excuse to send the good men Into a battle zone where they did not belong and had no business being there. Not one military service person has died on American soil defending the flag since 1814

Nickolai

DamnYANKEE wrote:

And I NEVER met Anyone who fought for SOCIALISM

There was a whole revolution fought in Russia in favor of socialism in 1917-18

Nickolai

Randy131 wrote:

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You are speaking of stalinism and Maoism. Both dictatorships. Russia has become an Oligarchy and China has evolved to state capitalism. It appears to me that there is a lot of people trying to get into Europe.

I don't espouse any kind of dictatorship at all. I would like to see a more egalitarian system Some very good examples are the countries of northern Europe and Scandinavia

Radiance3

Nickolai wrote:

The good man died not for his country but fo the military industrial complex and a lie . A lie that if north Vietnam won the civil war between the north and south that all of Asia would fall to communism and the Gulf of Tonkin incident that did not happen that was used as an excuse to send the good men Into a battle zone where they did not belong and had no business being there. Not one military service person has died on American soil defending the flag since 1814

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Nickolai, because you are an alien and not pure American who felt the pains of defending the freedom that now you enjoyed.
South Vietnam was a US territory, a democratic form of government, many were Christians. North Vietcong attacked them for take over. It has been the policy of the US until today that when an allied country is attacked we defend it for protecting the freedom all over the world.
Now, you have no loyalty to this country who our families suffered and died to protecting the freedom we truly enjoy.
Anybody with no patriotism and loyalty to the US has no right to stay here.

Why don't you ask and challenge John McCain, and John Kelly for that?