dongreen76

I can cover to birds with one stone with this post,responding to the fool whom is dead set on not accomodating americans with health care,that fool, that like an elementary school child that only knows of direct reading,that when ever he is in converse debatement ,chimes loudly,"where does it say that in constitution,he looks only at the 27 or so amendments,health care for its citizens is not constitutional,it is not governments responsibility.He knows nothing of comprehensive reading nor how to read by inference,nor can he apply certain common phrases that every American that is an American should have embedded in their collective civic minded consciousnes.One of those is that we live in a democracy and another is that it is the governments responsibility to do for its people that which they cannot do for themselves.He tells me that I have no understanding what this "REPUBLIC " is about,for sure, he dont,Im going to prompt you to not only read the amendments,but read the predicate of the bill of rights and further,the other amendments.The PREAMBLE,you know its starts with "WE THE PEOPLE:"it tells you in general what the democracy is about and tells what its and ours intentions are toward our selves, We the people.it tells what our objective and goals are so far as what we stand for and the make of our constitution ,are guts,literally speaking,lastly its speaks of tranquility the happiness of its patrons,which brings us to the arguement of, is it the governments responsibility to accomodate its citizens with healthcare,sick unhappy people have no tranquillity
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eagleye13 Loc: Fl

So much BS from dongreen;
not in the mood to splain it.
so I can't resist

Watch Rachel Maddow get that STUPID SMIRK wiped off her face by Trump's Election ( MSNBC had it taken down; oh well, it was fun)
https://youtu.be/ciCyEmGQ0k0
Sooooooooooooooooooooo ;
Rachel Maddow MELTDOWN Over Donald Trump Winning The Election Against Hillary Clinton

no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun

None Dare Call It Treason 25 years later covers all of the information in the original and goes further. It is a frightening read but a MUST if you are going to understand the systematic destruction of America.

JERRY JOHNSON

HEY LETS EVD THIS BY CALLING EACH OTHER RACIST. LOL

Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI

It is almost with out fail that the teams whos members that cooperates the most, will win over teams where the team members compete with each other for fame and glory. It is We are a Team not ME ME teams with the most teammates that compete with each outer the most.

In any endeavor that is undertaken with two or more people it is the endeavors by the most cooperating group that has the best results in any fair exchange of actions.

son of witless

I agree, but even within a team the members compete for playing time. America is a team, except some people do not like Team America. They feel Team America is too Imperialistic and needs to be weakened. Our last President played for Team Europe, Team China, Team Mexico, Team Iran, and even Team North Korea. Thank fully our current President plays for Team America. American Military and American Workers are finally first priority.

Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI

I am only saying that cooperation more so than competitions has been what has gotten us to this point in life.
An as we move through our life it is of the most importance to seek out greater & greater cooperation while lessening competition.

I say that the competition to see who can gain the most of the Wealth or to have more than some one else is greed in it's basic form.

We have to curb greed if we really wish our way of life as humans will be any way close to what we want.

Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI

I would boil it all down to: We the people (Government) owe to each other to Create & Maintain a system that promotes the Safety & Well Being of. all. I say that leaves a pretty wide open interoperation to what can be included.

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

The uranium deal with Russia:

Lou Dobbs Tonight 10/18/2017 October 18 2017
https://youtu.be/tn9INSjwpnQ

Trump: Russia Uranium Deal Sealed ‘With Clinton Help’ is Biggest Story ‘Fake Media’ Won’t Cover
https://www.westernjournalism.com/trump-slams-fake-media-ignoring-russia-uranium-deal-sealed-clinton-help/

BY The Way; ONLY FOX Cable News is covering the uranium deal The CCNABCNBCCBS network is trying like hell to ignore the collusion of the Justice Department in covering for the perps.

Worried for our children Loc: Massachusetts

Your ignorance in regards to our Charters of Freedom is mind blowing, Don.

The creation of the new, central government by the Constitution in 1787-1788 as a genuine Republic was in fulfillment of public demand for precisely such a government, then designated as such. One of the most interesting pronouncements regarding this topic before the Declaration of Independence was in the "Instructions of the Inhabitants of Malden, Massachusetts to their Representatives in Congress" on May 27, 1776, as follows:

"For these reasons, as well as many others which might be produced, we are confirmed in the opinion, that the present age will be deficient in their duty to God, their posterity and themselves, if they do not establish an American republic. This is the only form of government which we wish to see established; for we can never be willingly subject to any other King than he who, being possessed of infinite wisdom, goodness and rectitude, is alone fit to possess unlimited power . . . if they [the Continental Congress] should declare America to be a free and independent republic, your constituents would support and defend the measure, to the last drop of their blood, and the last farthing of their treasure."

The King referred to here is, of course, Man's Creator: God. The Malden resolution's prescription of a Republic for America was matched by other substantially similar declarations in that Period--for instance that reported in the previously-mentioned "Essex Result" (report of the 1778 Convention of the towns of Essex County, Massachusetts) stating that: "A republican form [of government] is the only one consonant to the feelings of the generous and brave Americans." This was in rejecting this State's first proposed Constitution.

On July 1, 1776, John Adams--on the eve of the Declaration--in a letter to Archibald Bullock, hailed the new prospect in these words: "May Heaven prosper the new-born republic . . ." Realizing that the Articles of Confederation did not and could not satisfy the need, or provide, for a Republic, Hamilton wrote on July 4, 1782 ("The Continentalist," number 6), that: "There is something noble and magnificent in the perspective of a great Federal Republic, closely linked in the pursuit of a common interest, tranquil and prosperous at home, respectable abroad . . ." In the Framing Convention on June 1, 1787, James Wilson asserted that America's manners were "so republican, that nothing but a great confederated Republic would do for it." He commented further on this topic in the Convention: "A confederated republic joins the happiest kind of Government with the most certain security to liberty." He also used the same term, or one comparable such as "Federal Republic," to describe the form of the new government in several instances during his remarks in the debates in the Pennsylvania Ratifying Convention. Using the term "republican government" to refer to the form of a Republic, Hamilton stated in the New York Ratifying Convention: "We all, with equal sincerity, profess to be anxious for the establishment of a republican government, on a safe and solid basis. It is the object of the wishes of every honest man in the United States . . ." In The Federalist number 39, Madison--referring to the proposed central government as "strictly republican" (meaning a Republic)--stated:

"It is evident that no other form would be reconcileable with the genius of the people of America; with the fundamental principles of the revolution; or with that honorable determination, which animates every votary of freedom, to rest all our political experiments on the capacity of mankind for self-government."

He also used the terms "republican form" (no. 37) and "a compound republic," "federal republic" and "extended republic" (no. 51).

These examples sufficiently illustrate the point that The Founders and other leaders, as well as many other thoughtful people in that day--such as the inhabitants of Malden and of Essex County mentioned above--well understood the nature of a Republic and were determined that the United States government be a Republic, such as the central government created later by the United States Constitution.

I asked for you to show me the word "democracy" in the constitution, knowing it to be impossible for you to do. So in fairness, I'll show you where the word "Republic(an)" is in the constitution...

Article IV section IV:

"The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature can-not be convened) against domestic Violence."

Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI

Here is what I feel. They say all is fair in love & war & while this is not really either it is kind of like that.
This digging in to the Russian Deal either side is open for further investigation.
For all practical reasons Clinton has been exposed as not being what we want to be active in politics any more. If she wants to stay in the kitchen she will have to put up with the heat.

I don't think that Trump will want to press very hard for Clinton criminal charges. As that will only call for closer attention to his miss deeds.
We cannot allow our self to except the miss deeds of a person today on the basis of what some one else did prior.

In going back in finding fault most people with any real power would not wish to dig to deep because their name could very well come up.

I say as voters we need to clean up the mess in politics no matter how the chips may fall.
I feel that if we wish to open the can of worms that is political it is we the voters to leave these people to stand alone with out our support.
We should never let people miss use our trust in them in their best interest that may not be in our best interest. (Not yours or mine but ours.)
To do any thing less just means we will just keep facing the issue over & over.

I will not be one calling for Trumps Head. He is not to be a hero for our discovery that most politicians lack the integrity we deserve as our leaders.

The real issue those for those like us on this site like this & in life generally. Is we have to look at what we see in government not as we being members of political parties but as concerned citizens.

son of witless

I am not talking about cut throat competition. In our economy you need a balance of competition and cooperation. Too much cooperation and you have anti Trust issues. Too much cooperation and you have tyranny. When you go to the grocery store would you like it to cooperate with all of the other stores in your area to fix the prices of your food ? Would you like a one Party government like in Cuba, North Korea, and Red China ? In those countries there is all kinds of cooperation in government going on.

The post Civil War period until 1930 might have been the greatest period of wealth creation in American history. Invention and economic development changed life in America faster than in any other time. Competition more than cooperation caused that. The great robber barons fought each other and created a lot of good. Later on when they began cooperating with each other the real concentration of wealth and power began.

Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI

Let me say first that I am in agreement that too much cooperation is not in the best interest of every one.

Then let me as far as food prices are concerned. I get ads for a lot of different food stores & that most of the store are pretty close on the things I buy. (A form of cooperation but at the whole sale level) This has lead to the continued rise in the cost of food.
Supply & demand allows food brokers to have greater influence on prices.
The control of prices is on cost in purchase & sales.
This is the best display we have in a free market.
Attention is needed to see that it works in the best interest of all Party's.

The one we shop at most has a card that gives us price breaks on items. (Cooperation on a personal level)
This is more of a give or take it issue. Other stores act with the customers much in the same way.

I say that the Federal Reserve & Banking issues Is where the Public really is take advantage of.
The cooperation is with in Big Money interests. The General Public is just a loser.

Then there is the Robber Barons issue.
That in many ways lead to the antitrust actions being enacted.
The cooperation of that time was in not competing directly with each other by the Big Players.
Not a great time for the poor .

Now lets bring up the Political division we have now.
Politian's & Big Money show a lot of cooperation.
We the General Public are divided on the Political issues.
This the area we need to apply most of our attention.
It comes down to just how we define the issues.

The agenda we face is how do we bring us all to some sort of agreement on these issues.

Have a nice day & keep searching.

We are not miles apart in how we view these things. For the most part it is in the words we use.

Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI

Lets just say we need to clarify the terms being used to describe our form of Government.
Them we need to say is that the form of government we really want.
The right to make the changes to what we have now & what we really want is ours to take.
What ever form it takes can be called what ever we wish.

A general war of words may only make things worse.

So first we list the items we wish to see from our Government.
This is where we put the usage of terminology of each issue in to a general understanding between each other.
Then we discus & act on each issue. Putting it all together in proper legal terms.

What ever we call it is what ever we wish at that point.
The simplest term we wish is fine.

Beware that we need to find agreement on most issues well before any action to change is undertaken.

Let us just say we can & should be a part of the renewing Founding Fathers.

Not only do we have that Right I say it is our Obligation to the Future.

son of witless

You do not trust free enterprise. I do not trust government. Both can be corrupted. Both are run by human beings. Human beings are inherently flawed. The great vision our Founding Fathers had was in recognizing human faults. Our system of government with it's three branches was to take advantage of the human condition. Three branches in competition with one another for power. Sure they have to work together during wars and other national crisis', but the Founders recognized that tyranny by government was as great a threat as any foreign enemy.

We all complain about nothing getting done in Washington. An awful lot of that is by design. A small minority can gum up the works. It really is supposed to work like that. While government is in turmoil private individuals get on with their lives. Right now that is truly a wonderful thing. Since Trump and his Rino allies have kicked the Democrats out of power, very little has gotten done. And guess what ? The economy is whizzing along.