Bevos

GOOD QUESTION!!! That was what I wanted to know!!

Bevos

Well that would have been at least 10 large suitcases, and HOW LONG was his stay for???

Bevos

HOW MANY suitcases?? And HOW LONG was his stay for???

padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al

Loki asked a sincere and genuine disturbing question and although my comment was lite it, nevertheless, was true. In this age we can burn up our brains trying to figure out or giving reason to "how" and "why."

teabag09

BINGO! Mike

Randy131 Loc: Florida

Do you know how many suitcases it would require to carry 23 guns up to those rooms, and how many suitcases it would take to carry all that ammo up to those rooms, and how heavy those suitcases would be? Did he carry all those suitcases up to those rooms by himself, or did hotel personnel help him, and if hotel personnel helped him, wouldn't they be curious and suspicous about how heavy all those suitcases would be? They say that there are security cameras (plural) on all the floors of the hotel, and also in all the elevators, so why didn't anyone see him set up his own cameras in the hallway of his floor that allowed him to know when authorities would be coming to his room to apprehend him, so he could then apparently commit suicide, like he did? Do you really believe he did all this by himself, and all those highly paid and expert hotel security agents missed all of these freakish actions. Wouldn't all those heavy suitcases being taken up to those two rooms alarm any of the hotel workers? Wouldn't all those heavy suitcases being brought through the hotel entrance cause any concern to arise for the hotel employees that have the respnsibility to enforce a limit to how many people can occupy each room?

Then there is the question of how a very portly 64 year old man was capable of doing all that they are giving him credit for doing. And how did that same 64 year old portly man, that had no military service experience, and had no official training in what he supposedly did, was able just to plan all this, let alone carry it out successfully? Then there are still many other questions about co-conspirators, people he was seen with on hotel security video in the casino, and people that were seen on hotel security video going into his room, and then leaving his room right before he started the killing spree? There are so many more suspicous questions that need to be answered that would seem to prove the official story of what happened to be false. So I guess me must wait and see if the authorities will ever answer all these questions and give the American people the truth of what really happened, and who were responsible for it all?

teabag09

Pete, there are very few pistols that can lob a bullet 500 yards and none that would be accurate or carry able. That said, that may be an answer, to have Security at high events trained and armed with rifles. It would increase the cost of tickets but would be a small price to pay for safety. Of course they couldn't stand out or would be the first to go. In fact it could be announced that from now on that was going to be the case and maybe they wouldn't even need too many as it would be a deterrent other than those looking for virgins. Mike

Randy131 Loc: Florida

That is the stupidest thing that I've ever heard of. Show us some proof of your asinine statement? And if you can really show us any Las Vegas hotel that allows guns in their rooms, what are their requirements for allowing that to happen? And if it is allowed, and there are requirements that have to be met, did this perpetrator meet those requirements?

teabag09

He had 4 days to take a suitcase up and bring a suitcase down. He was well known there so it's likely no one paid any attention. 1000 rounds will fit into a 50 cal. ammo can, weighs about 28 lbs. I know I have several. Everything on these weapons fold up to be pretty small and don't weigh more than 8 lbs. each.

I'm 67, a smoker and I could have gotten that arsenal into that room in 2 days. You guys that own AR's and have mucho ammo, think about it. If determined it wouldn't be that big of a deal. You're using an elevator not stairs. Mike

teabag09

Las Vegas has a lot of gun shows and I'm pretty sure guns are allow in the Hotel section though I would think that he would have brought that many guns in concealed. Mike

Randy131 Loc: Florida

I have many thousand round carboard boxes of .223 ammo, and I don't know what they weigh, but believe it to be a little more than 28 pounds. I don't think he openly carried ammo boxes up to his room. I also have many weapons similar to what it has been reported that he took up to his rooms. To get just one of them into a suitcase, I would have to break it down, and he took 23 of them up to those rooms. I'm sure he had more than just a thousand rounds of .223 ammo. He was using a bump-stock to fire, a highly inaccurate way to use ammo, and even though he at first was shooting into a crowd, they all quickly started running and dispersing. This would make it very improbable for, by himself and using that bump-stock, and at that distance, to hit nearly 600 people with just a thousand rounds.

What was the length of time that he was firing? Has anyone taken all the audios and counted the rounds that were fired? I've read another article that someone reported that there were more than one autmatic weapon being fired at the same time, which the audios would also expose.

While in the USMC, I qualified with both the rifle and pistol as expert, and know what it takes to shoot a weapon accurately in order to hit that many people at that distance. Even Sgt. York did not match what was done here by supposedly just one man, with no military experience or specialty training in shooting those types of weapons accurately, let alone accurately at such a long distance without a scope, and I believe it was at night, I may be wrong, with many shadow areas, if the shooting ground was even well lit.

I'm sorry, but all this just doesn't add up. I guess he could have been lucky and got by with some of the things that they give him credit for doing, but certainly not every single one of them. The odds just wouldn't allow it. Too many things could easily go wrong and expose him for what he was planning on doing, just too many things he could have been caught with that were very suspicous. Someone else had to know, and probably helped him, and is why so many people were hit, by another person that wasn't using a bump-stock. I've fired a bump-stock AR-15, set up by a sales rep that wanted to sell me one or more, but found they could not be used accurately, and preferred a M-16 with selector for three burst shots instead.

Even a well trained Marine, in very good physical shape, would find it very hard to accomplish all that he did, with those weapons and in those conditions.

teabag09

Though I agree with much of what you say. As you know an AR is broken down easily. Also I measured two of mine with butt stock closed and they measured 31 1/4 inches. That will vary by a 1/4-1/2" depending on the flash hider. They will fit handily in a suit case. I have many thousands of 5.56 in both .50 and .30 cal. ammo cans. The .50's weigh almost 30lb, the 30 cal. about 23lbs. He could have carried several ammo cans either a couple at a time or singularly in a gym bag. They aren't that big but heavy. Again an elevator was used. Also he had several days. Agree a bump stock would not be too accurate but they say he set up shooting stations with platforms so the bi-pods would have helped there. He shot for about 10 minutes into a crowd of 20 plus thousand packed in like sardines. You've fired AUTOMATIC weapons, imagine the carnage you could wreck in 2 minutes with that kind of target! From what I've heard on TV, I only heard one weapon, that doesn't mean there weren't more as there were many tall buildings deflecting sound and the audio wasn't HD. For one thing, no one realized what was happening until people started dropping, hell, according to the tapes I heard the band kept playing for 10-12 seconds into the beginning of the firing. With 400+ per min. bullets raining down, and nobody realizing what's going on much less moving, total carnage in the first minute was absolute. You
You're a Marine, you know what you could do in that situation. This guy was spray and pray, he didn't have to snipe.

I'm not discounting others being involved, in fact I'm both amazed that more weren't shot considering the situation. I still contend, I could have gotten that arsenal into that room with in 2 days as long as I wasn't stopped. Sgt. York was a whole different situation, shouldn't have been included in the equation.

Thank you from the bottom of my heart for your service to our Country and God Bless,

Mike

Iamdjchrys Loc: Decatur, Texas

Suitcases

Randy131 Loc: Florida

Thank you Mike for your authentic gratitude, but you don't owe me that gratitude, my service is the least that I owed for being privileged to have grown up in a country that afforded everyone freedom and opportunity, granting the same rights endowed by our GOD to all mankind.

It sickened me to watch some draft dodgers run to Canada to avoid serving their country, so I joined the USMC right out of high school. I served for nearly 4 years, coming back from a tour in Vietnam with less than 90 days left on my enlistment, was on the SSgt. list, and was also offered a scholarship to the college of my choice for two years, but would receive a 4 year degree, since I passed the 'Federal College Equilavency Test' they had me take in 'Boot Camp', which I scored at 3rd year 8th month level, and upon graduation I would be given a commision, which I would be required to serve 4 more years as an officer, which after the 4 years I already served, the 2 years in college, and 4 more years as an officer, I would have served 10 years and would be halfway to retirement, and at that point would be stupid to not make it a career.

I also had the choice to take an early out when returning from Vietnam, with less than 90 days left on my enlistment, which everyone in those circumstances was offered, and which I took.

But I am ever grateful for being allowed to serve my country as a Marine, which while in service making Sgt. in only 2 years, I excelled at everything, even winning championships in basketball and football, and nearly at fast pitch softball. It was a great experience, and I'm proud of it, but there are many patriotic Americans who have done the same, in service for our country and our people, which is the least we owe for the life GOD has endowed on us, and the privilege of living in this great country, for being a USMC airman, I traveled a lot and have seen how the rest of the world has to live.

I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with you, I don't believe that old man could have done all they say he did, at least not without some others helping him.

As far as an AR-15 with a bump-stock firing at 400 rounds a minute, I don't think it can, no matter what the manufacturer claims, because it does not fire smoothly and evenly through all the bump jerks on the finger holding the trigger down, probably about 300 rounds a minute or slightly more.

But he probably only had 20 round magazines, 30 round magazines at the most, and he would have to interupt fire to change them, which would probably only allow about 80 rounds a minute in actual firing, and maybe a 100 rounds a minute if he was very proficient at changing the magazines, and he had all of the magazines easily available to him without having to stop and move to get more of them, which I doubt.

At the best I can't see him firing more than 700 to 800 rounds in the time he was firing, which he supposedly got about 600 hits on people, and some were probably multiple hits, which leaves only 25% missed shots at the most, and 75% shots that hit what he was shooting at. I just don't believe that old man could have done that well, which would be very hard for a well trained Marine to do, and even Sgt. York would have a hard time matching that hit ratio with a bump-stock.

I know there were thousands of people there, but when they heard the first 70 to 80 shots, they were all running and scattering very fast, running to and staying under cover.

We all know the results of the incident, but the situation is not what they are telling us, at least I can't believe it is.

You need to talk to someone who has been in a fire fight, that takes aim at their targets, and ask what percentage of their shots hit the mark, and they were not shooting bump-stock AR-15s, but smooth firing M-16s that have a selector switch to fire semi automatic, three round bursts, or fully automatic, and are much more smoother than a bump-stock.

Marines are taught that the side that puts the most rounds in the air at their enemy is the side that will win a fire fight, and are taught how squads should lay down fire systematically to ensure that the enemy cannot raise their heads to fire back without be hit by our firing at them. Yet when we are successful at doing this, which is most all the time, we're still very lucky to get a 20% hit ratio. Movies aren't for real, and real fire fights do not hit the target that much and a lot of lead never finds it's target, even with well trained Marines firing at Viet Cong. Really Mike, you should talk to people who have been in fire fights and ask them how it went and how it turned out. I tell you this with all do respect and thanks.

Ricktloml

There is so much disinformation AND outrageous theories it is hard to know what to think. First, Obama corrupted every institution he touched, and with the FBI it is an obvious example.
As for Isis I find it hard to believe they could be ruled out after a mere 12 hours.
I saw this: In analysis passed to a member of the U.S. House of Representatives' Homeland Security Committee, terrorism analyst Michael S. Smith said he could not rule out the claim being wrong, but added: "If Isis' claims of responsibility for the attack in Las Vegas are false, this would be the first deliberate false claim for an attack in the West issued by the group." He also stated that Isis guarded their credibility-and they haven't backed down

Then, I recently saw that Paddock's girl-friend was a member of an antifa like group in Australia. But is that true or a rumor.

It just keeps getting deeper and deeper. Something is VERY fishy, and we likely will never know the truth, especially if we are waiting for the slimy media to tell it to us. The modern media wouldn't know the truth if it slapped them in the face. It is maddening that the American people have been lied to so often we can no longer depend on practically ANYTHING we are told by those in authority, and NOTHING that comes from the media.

Thankfully God is still and always in control and we can depend on His love and guidance to see us through anything