dongreen76

History says that any time there is thrust upon any free market industry [ including the Healthcare Industry]a mandate that requires a legal proliferation of involvement/participation ,that they other wise did not have, there comes about a economic boom in the volume of business they do ,and there also brings about /inacts those competitive factors that are inherent with its existence [which is to make a profit ] One of those factors that helps it compete and turn a profit is price regulation,that is to hold the price of their product down and at the same time still yield the greastest amount of profit.This brings us to the problem of PRE EXISTING CONDITIONS
,this is what is prohibiting what normaly should have taken place whenever that of the aforementioned has taken place,it is the case that the greater volume of business it does the more they are able to hold down their prices,ala "Henry Ford",and the Model T Ford,each participal in the industry,will not absorb the cost out of their pocket,because it is self defeating to the concept of why businesses are formed in the first place,to make a profit[business 101
One of the other factors is price competition,in order to get the business over his competitor they would normaly undercut his competitor by price of course this did not occur.A public option should have manifest,that is those with pre existing conditions should have been referred to one ,that should have been medicare,or medicaid;how would it be paid for?
The same way the county hospitals
functions.What is the Damned problem.Politcians,and their egotistical eccentricity,and greedy ass "CEO" health care people.

ACP45 Loc: Rhode Island

My understanding of Ron Paul's proposal is a refundable tax credit of $5,000 for everyone. In other words, if you have no taxable income, the government pays you $5,000 to fund your HSA. Instead of an inefficient government managing an inefficient health care system, let people be responsible for managing their own health care needs. Denningers proposals mostly relate to all health care entities posting their prices, and mandating same pricing for all to eliminate the pricing preference that insurance companies now maintain over the uninsured.

kemmer

How can you say that when some hospitals charge $35 for a Tylenol?

maryla

This is MUCH better! The government is no longer the sole provider of healthcare.

That said, the many tax dollars are now shifted(block-granted) back to the states for the governors to decide where to spend $. Some of the governors have been vocal in saying they do not want to do this. Along with me they have the deep-seated belief that gov't DOES NOT BELONG in our healthcare decisions.

Some state's senators seem to have fallen for the subsidies ie Collins in Maine, Murkowski in Alaska. I say each state should be allowed to vote on how these dollars are spent. And if they vote for repeal, they should be allowed to have lesser premiums. (Rand Paul's objective) I think McCain is just jealous of Trump and may never do anything to give Trump a hand.

Do I read it right? and wouldn't it be neat if dividing the states as I suggested were possible??

buffalo Loc: Texas

How far do you realistically think that $5,000 will go to helping the struggling MILLIONS of poor, working poor and middle class toward paying for any significant health CARE needs or ridiculously high health INSURANCE premuims. You, like the greedy repulsive right wing of the chicken are lying. It would merely be another tax break for the rich. The US needs a health CARE system where ALL people can get the health CARE they need to maintain and improve their health when they need it regardless of income, age or socioeconomic status. We need a health CARE system that works not just for millionaires and billionaires, but for ALL of us. THAT IS THE PREMISE THAT NEEDS TO BE AT THE FOREFRONT OF ANY HEALTH CARE REFORM,NOT KISSING THE ASSES OF BIG, FOR PROFIT HEALTH INSURANCE AND BIG PHARMA FOR MORE CAMPAIGN AND LOBBYING GRAFT. MEDICARE FOR ALL IS THE ANSWER!

jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho

We don't know what is in the bill.
The problem is, government is still involved. I believe in regulation when "truly" in the citizens best interest, which has been rarer the last decade+. Returning to "free" markets, remove interstate restrictions on purchasing health care by adding competition. Regulations on hospitals, providers at large to disclose fee's pre-procedures would allow citizens to price shop for that "knee replacement ", heart procedure", all voluntary procedures. Regulating "one cost, same fee" for all insurance instead now providers charge different fees for medicaid, differs from medicare, differs from Blue cross, differs from cash. Also regulate hospitals to refer all non emergency and non insurance card carrying patients to "urgent care Clinics " which would stop the drain of cost on the shoulders of Health insurance companies, then passed onto premiums.

Also under Obamacare many providers stopped taking medicaid because they would go out of business with their high overhead , malpractice insurance. In addition Obamacare reduced what they pay providers under Medicare, leaving retired that paid into Social Security shopping to find a doctor that accepts medicare.

Medicaid ......remove all non citizens (illegals), and do as Trump wants to do. No government medical programs for the first decade of "new" immigrants becoming citizens. Remove the incentive to come to America, and live on the tax payers shoulders.

This would allow medicaid to pay higher returns to providers, giving the poor better skilled care and still save tax payers.

Do the above and we would return to 1980 insurance premiums.

But then, this would require common sense on our law makers. Not going to happen.

buffalo Loc: Texas

Maryla, the government at all levels (TAXPAYERS) ALREADY pays for 65% of the cost of medical CARE in the US! While private, for profit health INSURANCE giants extort $500 BILLION in profits annually from the other 35% yet millions of people go uninsured or cannot afford the high deductibles and co-pays demanded by big private, for profit health INSURERS even with their ripoff health INSURANCE, which has the same effect as rationing health CARE.

Health CARE and health INSURANCE are NOT the same thing.

jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho

[quote=dongreen76]History says that any time there is thrust upon any free market industry [ including the Healthcare Industry]a mandate that requires a legal proliferation of involvement/participation ,that they other wise did not have, there comes about a economic boom in the volume of business they do ,and there also brings about /inacts those competitive factors that are inherent with its existence [which is to make a profit ] One of those factors that helps it compete and turn a profit is price regulation,that is to hold the price of their product down and at the same time still yield the greastest amount of profit.This brings us to the problem of PRE EXISTING CONDITIONS
,this is what is prohibiting what normaly should have taken place whenever that of the aforementioned has taken place,it is the case that the greater volume of business it does the more they are able to hold down their prices,ala "Henry Ford",and the Model T Ford,each participal in the industry,will not absorb the cost out of their pocket,because it is self defeating to the concept of why businesses are formed in the first place,to make a profit[business 101
One of the other factors is price competition,in order to get the business over his competitor they would normaly undercut his competitor by price of course this did not occur.A public option should have manifest,that is those with pre existing conditions should have been referred to one ,that should have been medicare,or medicaid;how would it be paid for?
The same way the county hospitals
functions.What is the Damned problem.Politcians,and their egotistical eccentricity,and greedy ass "CEO" health care people.[/quote]



Those with pre-existing conditions that had/have healthough insurance, should not be penalized in the event their current insurance company stops covering a region or goes our of business.
These free loading snow flakes figured out "why pay a monthly premium " under Obamacare if something more serious happens, then sign up.
A family member could even get online while their snowflake lay in the hospital bed and sign them onto Obamacare thus having coverage effective that day.

jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho

The problem is, this assumes the public will act responsible and if at time of service they don't have the funds to pay, they will pay with their "tax refund", Yeah right.

buffalo Loc: Texas

There is, nor can there be, a "free market" in medical CARE when the providers under the FEE For Service financial system can control DEMAND.

Do providers really need really need more money? It is illegal for a provider to charge medicaid a higher fee for the same medical procedure.

Return to 1980 INSURANCE premiums? LOL! To the best of my memory they were ridiculously high, even back then. Health INSURANCE is a ripoff.

Goddamn, why don't you people do some reading!? Obamacare DID NOT reduce what they paid providers. THEY REDUCED THE HIGHER REIMBURSEMENT RATES TO PRIVATE MEDICARE PLANS, LIKE MEDICARE ADVANTAGE, THE WERE RIPPING THE TAXPAYERS OFF!

jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho

They deserve to make a profit, free market. Currently if you needed a hip replacement, you could not receive cost of services outlined, and then shop for a better deal from other hospitals. This is where regulations are needed. Regulating hospitals/providers to quote prices would create competition and lower prices, among other rational regulations.
The government dictating what a private business can charge is a dictatorship type government. We're would it stop? McDonald's can only charge $2.50 for a big mac. How much tax payer money would be spent for the government study to determine how much McDonald's should charge for a Big Mac? Let's regulate the price of lumber to lower home prices, or JC Penny on Levi jeans? Businesses survive on competition and free market, not government pricing. The government could destroy businesses causing mass closures once they get their foot in that door.

buffalo Loc: Texas

dongreen76

There are plenty of things that are similar and the government is involved in ,parrot,that you can't seem to apply because you are a! I don't think for my self parrot;case in point is here in a major metropolitan city ,the municipality sold the parking meter rights to a private entity and the private entity immediately went sky high on the prices,from .25 cents to 2$ bucks for an hour,another one is the post office,the USPS is relatively cheaper as compared to the high ass private entitys;what ever the government ventures into it's generally not to turn a profit,another case in point is your transportation systems,do you realize how high something like that would be if it was a for profit entity.Think about a cab,have you took one lately.Also have you ever had to use a public hospital as oppose to a private hospital,a county hospital-I was born in one and have had to use them on numerous occasions and was totally contented with their service,generic though it may have been,I still have two legs today because of one.The hospital I refer to has a reputation as being one of the better hospitals in the land.My mother in her last years dealt with the more private of health care facilitys and I was totally dissatisfied with theirs service,they hire inferior personnel to save a buck to turn a higher profit,therefore their services might be somewhat inferior.Another case in point is within the housing industry;have you ever heard of section eight,it is a subsidy that is ran by the government,you won't have to many slum landlords there or the government will not pay them their rent.I could go on and on.You know what your problems is,you are the republicans PIGEON,they do your thinking for you;,by the way don't blame your stupidity on the government,because in attending one of those government ran entitys that you claim are no good,The Public Schools,you were taught about social civics,were given the basics so that when some one sells you a bill O`goods you would know it is a bill O`goods,they should have taught you how to do some critical thinking,evidently you didn't get it,and are always descentioning against the government.Trump and the likes of you don't have the right to speak and question other people loyalty nor patriotism.

kemmer

Somebody's healthcare is not a pair
Of jeans or a big Mack.

dongreen76

They are entitled to make a profit in a free market economy,they are not entitled to price gouge simply because conditons or mindsets have been manipulated so as to divert the US citizen attention away from what the real problem is.This high cost of living can and will eventually prove to be a greater disingenuousity to this countries continued prosperity and its very existence as we have been accustomed to.Just like the roman empire ,it will crumble from with in.