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Sep 26, 2017 07:18:51   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
buffalo wrote:
Your making absolutely no sense. Were you living in Canada when you had your accident? Your profile says you live in CA. There is a difference in Medicare and Medicaid. And you say (thank God for Medicare). I don't understand.



Had you read and understood, then the message medicaid is sub standard and no comparison to medicare. Also you would have read I interact with hundreds of Canadians with similar severe conditions over the years, also you would have understood Canadians complain having the same challenges with their state run healthcare, as I did with State run/Federally medicaid.

You know I have always respected you, but your kinda dickish in your replies to this topic and seem to disregard evidence not in line with what you believe the truth to be. We're not completely opposite views, I disagree outside of nominal care, and once the line is crossed with more severe conditions, that is when Canada's sponsored Healthcare fails.
Do you really believe the thousands of Canadians complaining they have to wait years for a knee replacement is "fake News" perpetrated by big insurance companies? Or the hundreds of support forums are trolls from the big insurance companies? Come on man, why the brain cramp, and/or affection of Canadian Healthcare? IT'S JUST LIKE MEDICAID! !!!!

I apologize for not correcting the many "auto corrects" . This damn phone (while typing replies) changes words having nothing to do with the content. I'm sure your smart and can read through "auto correct" errors.

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Sep 26, 2017 08:22:12   #
buffalo Loc: Texas
 
jack sequim wa wrote:
Had you read and understood, then the message medicaid is sub standard and no comparison to medicare. Also you would have read I interact with hundreds of Canadians with similar severe conditions over the years, also you would have understood Canadians complain having the same challenges with their state run healthcare, as I did with State run/Federally medicaid.

You know I have always respected you, but your kinda dickish in your replies to this topic and seem to disregard evidence not in line with what you believe the truth to be. We're not completely opposite views, I disagree outside of nominal care, and once the line is crossed with more severe conditions, that is when Canada's sponsored Healthcare fails.
Do you really believe the thousands of Canadians complaining they have to wait years for a knee replacement is "fake News" perpetrated by big insurance companies? Or the hundreds of support forums are trolls from the big insurance companies? Come on man, why the brain cramp, and/or affection of Canadian Healthcare? IT'S JUST LIKE MEDICAID! !!!!
Had you read and understood, then the message medi... (show quote)


I mainly base my opinions and beliefs on the subject of medical Care in the US with what my doctor (of 30+ years) brother and his nurse wife (who is Canadian) espouse, who has extensive experience both professionall and personally with Canada's Medicare for All system.

You are right when you say that Medicare and Medicaid are not the same. Medicaid (for the poor elderly, poor and children of poor families) combined with Medicare (for the elderly and disabled) provide the health CARE for over 128 MILLION elderly, disabled, poor and children. That is nearly 40% of the population of the US. And THAT 40% of the US population generates 80% of the costs in medical CARE because they are the sickest and frailest segments of the population. Add to that Veterans and the unINSURED and you have over 50% of the US population. YOUR's and MY TAXES and the Medicare premiums paid by those over 65 pay that 80%. Private, for profit health INSURANCE profits $500 BILLION annually from the premiums of the remaining 45+% of the US population that are generally healthy and only generate 20% of the cost in medical CARE.

I say combine Medicare, Medicaid and the VA health CARE systems, eliminate ridiculously high premiums to private, for profit health INSURANCE corporations, along with high unaffordable deductibles, designed to prevent the usage of that "health" INSURANCE, raise Medicare taxes to 7% on the richest 60% and 4% on the bottom 40%, include ALL incomes and cover 100% of US citizens with Medicare for All and save 95% of taxpayers money.

Here is how it would work:

http://www.healthcare-now.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/0312friedman.pdf

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Sep 26, 2017 13:33:40   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
jack sequim wa wrote:
Healthy people? Try calling cancer patients, knee replacement patients. ..... this isn't a pissing match. I'm just saying, healthy people that get sick a few times a year, need some stitches. Broken arm, yes I'm sure they do like it. Interview people that have diseases, illnesses, chronic conditions, or need invasive surgeries and your "hundreds of calls will be very different.

I have a life long chronic condition, required a invasive surgery and on very expensive medications (not covered under Canada's system ). My wife has the most severe RA doctors have ever seen, a crippling back condition , and A'fib (heart condition ).

I'm telling you, we are around hundreds of people traveling regularly and most all are generally healthy. Healthy people don't complain about their providers, they only bitch about the cost. In Canada people not well don't complain about the cost, they bitch about providers.

Sorry, when researching this and the headlines read " Canadians flocking to the U.S. for Heathcare, you bet they are. WhI wants to wait two years for a hip replacement and while you wait, your going broke for pain meds. Or you have RA and you have to wait for 2 years and then instead of getting newer advanced treatment available in the U.S., they only authorized infusions once a month, and your hair falls out.
In America there are (due to many factors, life style, diet. Organic, inorganic ) tens of millions of Americans that fit into the "sickness, disease, chronic conditions ) more than the population of Canada and if we go to single pay, we're in deep shit trouble.
Listen to the millions of not so healthy.
When I first got injured and couldn't work I went on medicaid. But first before my insurance from working ran out my neurologist scheduled me an appointment with a neurosurgeon. If I didn't have surgery very soon my injury to my spinal cord would get much worse and I may not be able to walk , have sex, increase pain. A few days before my appointment with the neurosurgeon, my insurance ran out and now medicaid. The neurosurgeon would not accept medicaid, so I went back to My neurologist who now didn't accept medicaid. I was referee to a D.I sports and pain management doctor that only wanted to give me spinal injections since medicare wouldn't cover surgery until first I spend a yeAR getting steroid in injections. Now within a few months I was fast track approved through social security for disability and shortly thereafter received part A and with pushing and begging neurosurgeons had my surgery about 5 months after I should have (thank God for Medicare ) but, had I had surgery right away instead of thus government garbage medicaid, I would be walking near normal, second it up, and only been on one moderate pain medication instead of the two most powerful pain medication plus one moderate and two other neurological meds to help pain that is so severe at times, I can only curl up on the bed wishing I was dead.

So don't tell me you know your shot about Canada's medical. It's exactly like medicaid, but with even longer waits. I'm on forums that is made up of like medical issues people that share ideas to help others and guess what? There are canadians on it
Healthy people? Try calling cancer patients, knee... (show quote)


You're incorrect about a few things Jack.

The actual numbers of Canadians "flocking" to the US for healthcare is more like a fraction of a percentage point. Probably as many Americans "flock" to Europe for specialized services, which is what the small percentage of Canadians come to the US for.

And, if anything, it's the super sick in Canada who prefer their system, because they don't have to file for bankruptcy when insurance stops paying.

Your info is contradictory. I too, visit the forums. It is not as you say, although there are certainly instances where people encounter problems, but it's rare and occurs on both sides of the border.

I also wouldn't compare Canadian healthcare to Medicare Medicaid. Many us docs do not even accept those. It doesn't work that way in their system. All docs take all. You seem to think going to a doc in Canada is like going to a county hospital in the US, over run by indigents and homeless. Not so.

I spoke to a medical provider in Canada who scoffed at the misinformation in the US regarding their system. It seems we are inundated with propaganda in virtually all arenas here in the "free" USA.

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Sep 27, 2017 00:05:43   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
buffalo wrote:
I mainly base my opinions and beliefs on the subject of medical Care in the US with what my doctor (of 30+ years) brother and his nurse wife (who is Canadian) espouse, who has extensive experience both professionall and personally with Canada's Medicare for All system.

You are right when you say that Medicare and Medicaid are not the same. Medicaid (for the poor elderly, poor and children of poor families) combined with Medicare (for the elderly and disabled) provide the health CARE for over 128 MILLION elderly, disabled, poor and children. That is nearly 40% of the population of the US. And THAT 40% of the US population generates 80% of the costs in medical CARE because they are the sickest and frailest segments of the population. Add to that Veterans and the unINSURED and you have over 50% of the US population. YOUR's and MY TAXES and the Medicare premiums paid by those over 65 pay that 80%. Private, for profit health INSURANCE profits $500 BILLION annually from the premiums of the remaining 45+% of the US population that are generally healthy and only generate 20% of the cost in medical CARE.

I say combine Medicare, Medicaid and the VA health CARE systems, eliminate ridiculously high premiums to private, for profit health INSURANCE corporations, along with high unaffordable deductibles, designed to prevent the usage of that "health" INSURANCE, raise Medicare taxes to 7% on the richest 60% and 4% on the bottom 40%, include ALL incomes and cover 100% of US citizens with Medicare for All and save 95% of taxpayers money.

Here is how it would work:

http://www.healthcare-now.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/0312friedman.pdf
I mainly base my opinions and beliefs on the subje... (show quote)




The reality you post is beyond unfair, so would be one pay for all. Unfortunately this is a hot topic even among each party and our voice will never go beyond this forum.

Thanks for all the input, there is much to think on

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Sep 27, 2017 10:34:10   #
buffalo Loc: Texas
 
jack sequim wa wrote:
The reality you post is beyond unfair, so would be one pay for all. Unfortunately this is a hot topic even among each party and our voice will never go beyond this forum.

Thanks for all the input, there is much to think on


Why can't you idiots understand that it’s going to cost you less even though your taxes will go up? Medicare for All will work just like the current Medicare system works now for seniors and the disabled, only for EVERYONE? Lots of healthy people paying into the system just like they pay the private, for profit health INSURANCE corporations, only less, and no deductibles and better and more comprehensive health CARE for those that NEED it because no one is denied.

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Sep 27, 2017 12:48:10   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
buffalo wrote:
Why can't you idiots understand that it’s going to cost you less even though your taxes will go up? Medicare for All will work just like the current Medicare system works now for seniors and the disabled, only for EVERYONE? Lots of healthy people paying into the system just like they pay the private, for profit health INSURANCE corporations, only less, and nfuo deductibles and better and more comprehensive health CARE for those that NEED it because no one is denied.



Your full of crao!!!! Anything the government controls is turned into a money suckling disaster.
Factually, when private markets forced to compete, cost goes down, quality increases. And the worst players fail.

Currently are health markets are not competitive because of why,? Government regulations, stopping free markets
Providers refuse to disclose exact cost for procedures
Hospitals are forced to treat non -insured 3 times November 2016-January 2017 I took my wife to the emergency room, each time there were no less than 40-50 people 90% (per- ER nurse are uninsured there for the flu or seeking pain meds. 25% illegals and we don't live in a high Latino population.
Consumers are prohibited from buying health insurance across state lines, insurance companies are prohibited from selling insurance across state lines. Hey dummy, why do you think one can only choose between 1 or 5 maximum insurance companies for heathcare, yet there are several dozen companies .

America had the greatest health care in the world, until the government got their hands in with choking regulations.

Your to damn stupid to understand, I'm wasting my breath on a big government, big taxes for the hard working successful businessman, and wants the government to do your thinking. I've been patient with you the last few days, but now realize your entire position parrots the liberal media talking points. Your a lose dipstick, moron.

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Sep 27, 2017 13:07:12   #
buffalo Loc: Texas
 
jack sequim wa wrote:
Your full of crao!!!! Anything the government controls is turned into a money suckling disaster.
Factually, when private markets forced to compete, cost goes down, quality increases. And the worst players fail.

Currently are health markets are not competitive because of why,? Government regulations, stopping free markets
Providers refuse to disclose exact cost for procedures
Hospitals are forced to treat non -insured 3 times November 2016-January 2017 I took my wife to the emergency room, each time there were no less than 40-50 people 90% (per- ER nurse are uninsured there for the flu or seeking pain meds. 25% illegals and we don't live in a high Latino population.
Consumers are prohibited from buying health insurance across state lines, insurance companies are prohibited from selling insurance across state lines. Hey dummy, why do you think one can only choose between 1 or 5 maximum insurance companies for heathcare, yet there are several dozen companies .

America had the greatest health care in the world, until the government got their hands in with choking regulations.

Your to damn stupid to understand, I'm wasting my breath on a big government, big taxes for the hard working successful businessman, and wants the government to do your thinking. I've been patient with you the last few days, but now realize your entire position parrots the liberal media talking points. Your a lose dipstick, moron.
Your full of crao!!!! Anything the government con... (show quote)


And just who do you think lobbys and forks over $80 BILLION to influence the big government monkeys to pass legislation that protects and guarantees the profits of those few health INSURANCE corporations? Your entire brainwashed position parrots the myths, lies and propaganda big health INSURANCE spends BILLION on annually to keep idiots like you brainwashed that only they have the solution which is to fuck you and other fools out of as much money as possible WITH BIG GOVERNMENT'S HELP! Your refusal to or lack of understanding as to how a Medicare for All system would work is glaringly obvious.

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Sep 27, 2017 13:11:21   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
buffalo wrote:
And just who do you think lobbys and forks over $80 BILLION to influence the big government monkeys to pass legislation that protects and guarantees the profits of those few health INSURANCE corporations? Your entire brainwashed position parrots the myths, lies and propaganda big health INSURANCE spends BILLION on annually to keep idiots like you brainwashed that only they have the solution which is to fuck you and other fools out of as much money as possible WITH BIG GOVERNMENT'S HELP! Your refusal to or lack of understanding as to how a Medicare for All system would work is glaringly obvious.
And just who do you think lobbys and forks over $8... (show quote)


Don't forget big pharma. On the world wide stage a drug costs about ten times as much in the US as it doesn't in the rest of the world. Remember the big mark up of the Epi pens by the lady who heads up the manufacturer who had the democratic father in Congress who got legislation passed requiring hundreds of entities to have these on the shelves with regular replacements??????

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Sep 27, 2017 13:21:14   #
buffalo Loc: Texas
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
Don't forget big pharma. On the world wide stage a drug costs about ten times as much in the US as it doesn't in the rest of the world. Remember the big mark up of the Epi pens by the lady who heads up the manufacturer who had the democratic father in Congress who got legislation passed requiring hundreds of entities to have these on the shelves with regular replacements??????


I think doctors get paid to prescribe certain drugs. My 88 year old Dad has to take 150mg of Pradaxa twice a day. At his long time local drugstore they would cost over $360 for a 1 month supply. I get him a 3 month supply out of Canada for $209 including shipping. Yes big PHARMA is ripping the consumer and the government off thanks to bushie and his Part D no price negotiation on drugs.

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Sep 27, 2017 15:03:31   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
buffalo wrote:
And just who do you think lobbys and forks over $80 BILLION to influence the big government monkeys to pass legislation that protects and guarantees the profits of those few health INSURANCE corporations? Your entire brainwashed position parrots the myths, lies and propaganda big health INSURANCE spends BILLION on annually to keep idiots like you brainwashed that only they have the solution which is to fuck you and other fools out of as much money as possible WITH BIG GOVERNMENT'S HELP! Your refusal to or lack of understanding as to how a Medicare for All system would work is glaringly obvious.
And just who do you think lobbys and forks over $8... (show quote)



Bingo, and "if" there were no lobbyists? No, that wouldn't fix it. It would take power away from the greedy. Why has America allowed lobbying too continue? It's not the businesses that are the engine to America's economy, many very wealthy businessmen, or capitalism. It is "Crony capitalist ", not even the one percent, it's the .005% of the elite, and our greedy corrupt congressmen, senators stopping the few honest congressmen and senators from passing bills that would include eliminating the lobbyist and the topic were discussing, passing regulations
1.) Reversing the interstate law, thus allowing insurance companies toffer sell nationwide (competition )
2.) Regulate Providers /hospitals to fully disclose all cost associated with any procedure (allowing patients to price shop) ie; competition
3.) All non emergency - referred to clinics
4.) Expand medicaid and include sliding scale (not free for all ) increase vetting to stop free loaders, illegals. Medicaid is for the poorest and a safety net when the unexpected hits, until one gets on their feet. Sliding scale for in between income earners
5.) Maintain pre-existing with the exception no previous health insurance does not qualify.
We don't get to only carry liability and then get in an accident, then purchase comprehensive to pay for the damages.
6.) FastTrack pay garnishment allowing hospitals and provides to collect from free loaders, first allowing patients to provide any hardships. Just like taxes.
7.) Regulations on insurance companies is the last and well thoughtout regulations. Should include patients the ability to lower co-pays, deductibles at reasonable market prices.

I'm not a fan of regulating businesses and believe outside of protecting the public from possible harm, government needs to stay out of the public sector. It's a slippery slope allowing the government their foot in the door

Profit is not a dirty word, and when consumers are informed, businesses lower prices l, increase quality, and price , all to attract buyers.

The number one problem with Americans, so many are ignorant to business, economy, nicro/macro economics and suck up, bad information by uninformed ignorant media, then form opinions based on bad/corrupt information.

This allows Healthcare for all

Lower premiums

Lower co-pays/deductibles

Pre-existing

Keeping ones doctors

The last thing, pass a bill that money taken from medicare be returned and expand coverage, lower cost of premiums /co-pays, allow veterans a one time choice, they can sign up for the VA or medicare. And better vetting of the disabled, screening the freeloaders.

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Sep 27, 2017 15:14:13   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
buffalo wrote:
I think doctors get paid to prescribe certain drugs. My 88 year old Dad has to take 150mg of Pradaxa twice a day. At his long time local drugstore they would cost over $360 for a 1 month supply. I get him a 3 month supply out of Canada for $209 including shipping. Yes big PHARMA is ripping the consumer and the government off thanks to bushie and his Part D no price negotiation on drugs.



I somewhat agree. The FDA is the major factor for much of the high cost, as well as extended patents or the years before a drug can be sold as generic.
Pharna can pay/does pay hundreds of millions to the FDA, stop this madness.
Pharma should not have 15 and 20 year protections from drugs being reproduced as generics. The idea is to recapture the high cost of Research and development plus profit, not fleece.
We don't want to discourage research and development, the FDA does a great job at keeping benificial drugs off of market and preventing small independent research companies from ever existing, they are no longer the protectors of Americans.

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