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Jul 24, 2017 14:01:11   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
jack sequim wa wrote:
Eagle,
Before we address the tribes, let's set the foundation of God's word vs replacement theology. Recently, I became more keenly aware of the spiritual conflict that rages over Israel. This conflict settles on the battleground of Replacement theology. While we reject this theological concept, it is worth noting that it is a 'new' that has strengthened itself over many centuries within churches of all traditions. It is therefore not easily removed and yet we are called to do so with the sword of the Spirit, the Word of God.

To some degree, Replacement theology is so deceptive because it rests on half-truths. For instance, the Church is the “Israel of God” but not in a replacement sense (Galatians 6:14-16).

In essence, Replacement theology removes from Israel a national destiny in the land of Canaan because of her rejection of Jesus’ Messianic credentials. All the biblical statements of Israel enjoying future blessings in the land of Canaan are said to be descriptions of the spiritual blessings that now accrue to the Church. The expectation of a physical kingdom has been spiritualized and taken from Israel and given to the Gentiles (Matthew 21:43), even though Jesus never denied that the physical kingdom would be restored to Israel (Acts 1:6-7).

That this way of expounding Scripture completely violates the principles of biblical exposition is of little importance to them. We should interpret Scripture by the nature of the text. If it is literal, then we should interpret it literally, but if it is spiritual or figurative, then we should respond accordingly. For instance, Jesus said, “I am the door!” Does this mean He actually is a door? Of course not! The context is clearly figurative and needs to be interpreted as such.

We are therefore not committed to any singular form of biblical exposition - literal or figurative - but rather to the context. This will determine our style of exposition and therefore we uphold the integrity of Scripture and its authority.

The Essentials of Replacement Theology

Replacement theology rests chiefly on the idea that the whole or part of the Abrahamic Covenant has been abolished, for it is this Covenant that promises to Israel eternal ownership of the land of Canaan (Genesis 17:7-8).

Once this 'promise' has been removed, the present-day restoration of Israel means nothing and her only hope is in the Church. Now it must be made clear that we believe that only in Christ Jesus can there be salvation for Jews and Gentiles alike (Romans 1:16-17). However, we do not believe that the promise of God in the Abrahamic Covenant bequeathing the land of Canaan to Israel has been removed, and therefore Israel’s modern restoration to the land of Canaan is indeed fulfillment of that promise and constitutes a milestone on her ‘way home’ to her Messiah (Ezekiel 36:24-28).

Two Points of View

The Replacement camp is divided into two opinions concerning the Abrahamic Covenant:

1. The Abolitionists

This camp sees the Covenant with Abraham as being entirely abolished. However they have serious difficulties because Paul writing to the Galatians states that Jesus died in order to bring to our lives the blessings of the Abrahamic Covenant and if we belong to Jesus, we are Abraham’s children according to the promise (Galatians 3:13-14, 29).

If the Covenant has been abolished, then what Paul says is wrong! Moreover the writer of the Book of Hebrews states that we can trust God to be faithful to the New Covenant because He has always been faithful to the Abrahamic Covenant (Hebrews 6:13-20). This constitutes a serious problem for the Abolitionists because, if the Abrahamic Covenant has been abolished, then God is a liar and indeed is not faithful, though the writer of Hebrews affirms that He is!

Many Abolitionists have perceived this problem and have consequently moved to the...

2. Reconstructionist Camp

This theory states that the Abrahamic Covenant has indeed not been abolished but it has been reconstructed. That is, the part that promises land to Israel now means spiritual promises and not literal ones. The problem with this theory is:

(a) It is a total presupposition and the Scriptures nowhere affirm it. That all nations would be blessed in Christ was actually the intention of the Abrahamic Covenant from the very beginning, but this does not remove from the Jewish people a national destiny in the Holy Land.

Reconstructionists lay emphasis on Paul’s teaching in the Book of Galatians concerning God’s promise in Abraham being made not to his “seed”, plural, that is the people of Israel, but to his “seed” singular, meaning Jesus (Galatians 3:15-18). Therefore they conclude that since the “seed” Christ has come, the promise to the “seed” of Abraham as in plural - meaning the people - has been removed! They have forfeited the land!

The truth is that Paul also uses the term “Abraham’s seed” in the plural in the New Testament (Romans 9:6-7). In other words both interpretations of the term “seed” are true! Abraham’s seed is singular and plural. The blessing God promised in Abraham is only in Christ Jesus because He died for the whole world, but the mediation or means by which this blessed “seed” comes into the world is through the “seed” plural - the people of Israel. The one truth does not contradict the other. Both truths are in fact interdependent (Romans 9:1-5), hence the extensive genealogy of Jesus given in the Gospels of Matthew and Luke (Matthew 1:1-17; Luke 3:23-38).

The Bible nowhere states that the promises of God in Abraham concerning Israel’s everlasting possession of the Land of Canaan are removed. In fact, everywhere it affirms the opposite! That is, that a day is coming when Israel will be restored to the land and to her Messiah (Ezekiel 36:24-32). This passage from Ezekiel teaches the very opposite of Replacement theology, in that Israel’s rebellion and sin has not led to land forfeiture but to judgment and correction, yet in the end God will, for His Name’s sake, restore Israel to her ancient land and to Himself! He does this in spite of her history of rebellion and sin. The truth is that Replacement theology reflects the heart of man and not that of God!

(b) The Scriptures refute it. Jesus came to confirm the promises to the Fathers, not to reconstruct them (Romans 15:7-9). Confirm means CONFIRM! He takes away nothing but reinforces every promise that God made to the fathers (Acts 3:22-26). Peter affirms that there must be a time of “restoration of all things” before Messiah returns. This “restoration of all things” is spoken about by all the prophets - meaning a final regathering to the Land of Canaan and repentance leading to salvation in Jesus (Amos 9:11-15; Jeremiah 36:26-28).

Purpose

Israel has always been God’s vehicle of world redemption (Romans 9:1-5). In a way, she is God’s microphone, the means by which He speaks to a lost world. Moreover, she has birthed all God’s covenants into the world and has now come back to her ancient homeland, by the promise of the Abrahamic Covenant, to birth the final great covenant of history, the Davidic Covenant. Herein lies the ultimate purpose of her modern-day restoration. Jesus will return to Zion as the root and offspring of David (Revelation 22:1-6; Psalm 2:1-12; Psalm 72:5-11).

No wonder the conflict over Zion is so great. Our ministry, partnered with you, is removing the stumbling blocks from Zion and thereby preparing her for the arrival of her great and most blessed King (Isaiah 62:10).

Replacement theology is thus an instrument of the powers of darkness to frustrate the purpose of God, by disconnecting the Church from this final great redemptive initiative in history. We reject it and stand fully on the promises of God concerning Israel and the Church.
Eagle, br Before we address the tribes, let's set... (show quote)


"Israel has always been God’s vehicle of world redemption (Romans 9:1-5). In a way, she is God’s microphone, the means by which He speaks to a lost world. Moreover, she has birthed all God’s covenants into the world and has now come back to her ancient homeland, by the promise of the Abrahamic Covenant, to birth the final great covenant of history, the Davidic Covenant. Herein lies the ultimate purpose of her modern-day restoration. Jesus will return to Zion as the root and offspring of David (Revelation 22:1-6; Psalm 2:1-12; Psalm 72:5-11).

No wonder the conflict over Zion is so great. Our ministry, partnered with you, is removing the stumbling blocks from Zion and thereby preparing her for the arrival of her great and most blessed King (Isaiah 62:10).

Replacement theology is thus an instrument of the powers of darkness to frustrate the purpose of God, by disconnecting the Church from this final great redemptive initiative in history. We reject it and stand fully on the promises of God concerning Israel and the Church."

Your ignorant doctrine has turned most fundamentalist churches into the hollow impotent churches they are. Siding with the historical haters of Yahweh, and His Son.

Revelation 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Revelation 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee

By their fruits it should be obvious.

Inside this ''Illuminati Temple'' will shock you! (R$E)
https://youtu.be/uuT_4XElXOU

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Jul 24, 2017 14:37:52   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Everyone is a liar but you, right? Maybe you should look for Peter's posts in which he talked about his friend, Linda Gronlund, who was killed in the crash of Flight 93. No one, even the most heartless among us, yourself included, would make up such a story. You claim to be a Christian, and if you believe that human nature is essentially evil, then you'd best get some serious tutoring in the Word of God. After all, God did tell us He created us in His own image.

I'll say this, the entire 9/11 conspiracy movement has all the earmarks of mass hysteria. It isn't the first time in human history that masses, even entire cultures, of humans have been driven into a neurotic or even psychotic frenzy by something no more innocuous than a rumor. The 9/11 conspiracy movement has become an insular system that feeds on itself. And, those who populate it are predatory, defensive, antagonistic, self-righteous, arrogant, prejudiced, bigoted, distrustful, dispassionate, and contemptuous toward anyone who challenges or questions their precious conspiracy. Truthers are incapable of logic, reason, discriminate thought, objective perceptions and critical thinking. And they are especially deficient in honest research skills, their only sources are those they create themselves (must feed the beast). One only need read through the comment sections under any 9/11 truther youtube to see the character and personality of those who took the bait and swallowed the line.

Another point is the vast difference between the volume of 9/11 conspiracy youtubes and websites and the volume of historical and scientific work that proves who attacked on 9/11, how and why they did it, and the factual characteristics of the destruction they wrought. The most salient points about these differences is that those who have established the truth about 9/11, the history and science of it, have no further need to pursue an event that happened 16 years ago. (And, I am not talking about the "official story" that truthers seem to think is the only one that exists.) They have put that to rest. No so with the 9/11 conspiracy. Over the 16 years, truthers have amassed a mountain of conflicting stories (which can be changed, edited or altered to fit the moment), they have generated so many contradictions and alternative explanations that it is impossible to make any sense of any of it. And they just keep at it with no clearly defined objective, no stated end game. The idea of opening a "new and independent investigation" into 9/11 is a pipe dream. One of the driving forces for a growing number in the 9/11 conspiracy movement is anti-Semitism and a particularly egregious blind hatred of Israel.
Everyone is a liar but you, right? Maybe you shoul... (show quote)



His use of replacement theology which is the natural by-product of allegorization, a of method scriptural interpretation employed by the Church for much of its history since around 300 Ad, using symbolic application instead of literal understanding with very little symbolic application causing replacement theology heartburn with many scriptures that conflict with their core doctrine aa a result of applying symbolic to verses that are in context literal. I have found your list "predatory, defensive, antagonistic, self-righteous, arrogant, prejudiced, bigoted, distrustful, dispassionate, and contemptuous toward anyone who challenges or questions their ............" equally applies to those subscribing to replacement theology.
This guy has a dual pronged issue, 9/11 and replacement theology. There is no getting through and very much liken to liberals that ignore any facts, truths, or empirical evidence, so it is with these personalities. You will find they continually lean onto one or two pillars of argument disregarding anything outside of this narrow ploy in order to hold onto doctrine.

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Jul 24, 2017 14:48:08   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
eagleye13 wrote:
It took awhile to untwist your beliefs.

You took a lot of time describing different brands of what you call "replacement theology".

In short you have not discerned the difference between the Chosen Hebrews, the ones covered by the Abrahamic Covenant; and those imposters running Isreali at the present.



You have not addressed anything that I posted revealing why replacement theology believing today's Jewish are evil, believing they stole the land Israel, and that Israel itself is evil.
How can you expect me to proceed with your arguments, when this first "replacement theology " is ignored by you? Your behaving in argument like a leftist.

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Jul 24, 2017 15:03:59   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
In the eye of God, it doesn't matter who is "running Israel at present." He has dealt with Israel many times before, and what God began He will finish. I'm with Jack on this, replacement theology is the devil's playground. And, so is hatred of Jews.


"In the eye of God, it doesn't matter who is "running Israel at present." He has dealt with Israel many times before, and what God began He will finish." - Blade
So true.

"replacement theology is the devil's playground. And, so is hatred of Jews."
Mixing and matching again Blade?

"Hate" is an overused and misapplied term, Blade.
Wanting to "set the record straight" is not hate.

My purpose is not "hate".
Going after subversives is love of country.
My purpose is to set the record straight on the insidious forces, working behind the scenes, to eliminate America as a Republic, and install a one world government/dictatorship. (A NWO to be run by those haters.)

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Jul 28, 2017 20:34:20   #
Steve700
 
eagleye13 wrote:
"In the eye of God, it doesn't matter who is "running Israel at present." He has dealt with Israel many times before, and what God began He will finish." - Blade
So true.

"replacement theology is the devil's playground. And, so is hatred of Jews."
Mixing and matching again Blade?

"Hate" is an overused and misapplied term, Blade.
Wanting to "set the record straight" is not hate.

My purpose is not "hate".
Going after subversives is love of country.
My purpose is to set the record straight on the insidious forces, working behind the scenes, to eliminate America as a Republic, and install a one world government/dictatorship. (A NWO to be run by those haters.)
"In the eye of God, it doesn't matter who is ... (show quote)



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Jul 28, 2017 23:41:51   #
Nickolai
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
What is shocking and not at all surprising, Nik, is that you believe that horseshit. The 9/11 conspiracy loons will never tire of uploading youtube videos so the gullible sheep can feed. Bon Appétit







How do you explain the large number of red flakes of in exploded Nano Thermite in the dust and the iron tiny iron spheres in the dust all evidence that Nano Thermite was used to cut through the steel columns that had to be cut before the towers could go into free fall offering no resistance from the steel structure below the office fires that were burning with black smoke evidence of oxygen starvation. Nano Thermite emits white smoke watch the videos for the white smoke. Have you seen the one where a person is blown out a window by a blast ? I didn't think so. and that is the tip of the iceberg that the official government narrative was a lie the 9-11 commission report did not even mention building seven's collapse at free fall then two years later tried to cover by saying the collapse was caused by fire

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Jul 29, 2017 00:38:35   #
Steve700
 
Nickolai wrote:
How do you explain the large number of red flakes of in exploded Nano Thermite in the dust and the iron tiny iron spheres in the dust all evidence that Nano Thermite was used to cut through the steel columns that had to be cut before the towers could go into free fall offering no resistance from the steel structure below the office fires that were burning with black smoke evidence of oxygen starvation. Nano Thermite emits white smoke watch the videos for the white smoke. Have you seen the one where a person is blown out a window by a blast ? I didn't think so. and that is the tip of the iceberg that the official government narrative was a lie the 9-11 commission report did not even mention building seven's collapse at free fall then two years later tried to cover by saying the collapse was caused by fire
How do you explain the large number of red flakes ... (show quote)

How come your thinking on this is so clear. You seem to be logical and understand everything on the 911 issue so well, but are so ass backwards and everything else. Bad Blunder is a diluted nincompoop with no integrity whatsoever. You can't catch him in a question because he will not answer questions, nor take a thoughtful look at your evidence, nor watch a video. He goes into automatic denial and ignores whatever he likes and Nit Pics little minor technical points page after page after page. He is NOT to be taken Seriously. I find it hard to believe anyone would continue to engage him like that, but some do. Anyway, congrats, you got it on this. You must've seen one or more of those old feature-length video documentaries. Having seen such proof seems to be what makes the difference between those who understand that 9/11 was an inside job and those who believe that our government could never think of doing such a thing.

Now that I see that you actually do have a brain in your head please take a good look at the following, and then once you realize how little more what you have aligned your self with, and get back to me with your thoughts and let me know how you justify this. You cannot deny what you will see: Please read everything in BLUE print.

The plan of the communists Is Working, to let our subversion evolve slowly & so that the ignorant masses will never perceive how they are being manipulated into communism.
This is Really Bad. All Americans should read and familiarize themselves with this to understand how far down the road to tyranny and of losing our country we are.

[color=red]Pay particular attention to the ones below in big [b]BLUE bold print (#15 through#42) -- You will see that the Communist Party goals and the agenda of the Democrats is identical.[/color]

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES and into the congressional record --- Thursday, January 10, 1963

At Mrs. Nordman's request, I include in the RECORD, under unanimous consent, the following "Current Communist Goals," which she identifies as an excerpt from "The Naked Communist," by Cleon Skousen:

Current Communist Goals For The Overthrow of America:

1. U.S. Acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.
2. U.S. Willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.
3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.
4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.
5. Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites.
6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.
7. Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N.
8. Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev's promise in 1955 to settle the German question by free elections under supervision of the U.N.
9. Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the United States has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress.
10. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N.
11. Promote the U.N. As the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces.
(Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the U.N. As by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in
the Congo.)
12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.
13. Do away with all loyalty oaths.
14. Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent Office.
15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.
16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate
civil rights
17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda.
Soften the curriculum. Get control of the teachers associations. But the party line in textbooks.
18. Gain control over all student newspapers.
19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist
attack.
20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book- review assignments, editorial writings, policymaking positions.
21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.
22. Continue disconnecting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American
Communist cell was told to "Eliminate all the good sculpture from parks and buildings, substituting
shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms".
23. Control art critics and directors of art museums.
24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them censorship and a violation of free speech and free
press.
25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines,
motion picture, radio and TV.
26. Promote homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural and healthy".
27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with social religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize
the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a "religious crutch".
28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religions expression in the schools on the grounds that it violates the
principle of "separation of church and state"
29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to
cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.
30. discredit the American founding fathers present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the
"common man" (this is the way the founding fathers are noe presented in our school system)
31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the grounds that it
was only a minor part of the "big picture".
32. Support any social movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture, education, social
agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.
33. Eliminate all laws and procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.
34. Eliminate the House committee on un-American activities.
35. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.
36. Infiltrate and gain control over the unions
37. Infiltrate and gain control over big business
38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavior problems as
psychiatric disorders, which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat]
39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control for
those who oppose Communist goals
40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.
41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices,
mental blocks and retardation of children to the suppressive influences of parents.
42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of American tradition; that
Students and special interest group should rise up and use "United Force" to resolve economic, political
and social problems

43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.
44. Internationalize the Panama Canal.
45. Repeal the Connally reservation so the United States cannot prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction [over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction over nations and the individual alike.

[b]Can you see that the goals and objectives of the deep state shadow government, the Communists, and the Democratic Party are all the same. They are the goals of globalism to which we will have to surrender our individual freedoms, our guns (as a defense against a tyrannical government gone rogue), our free speech and our national sovereignty -- all to be given over to the authority of an all powerful unelected one world government. Is that really what you want?


That is what Trump and Putin is against and why the left so demonizes Russia, which isn't even communist anymore.

Do you see that the objective is the destruction of the integrity of this nation by causing us to become degenerate and breaking down the very moral fabric that is the foundation of this country. Only through our destruction can they gain total power and build their tyrannical system. The common people unwitting believe this fantasy utopia they strive for, through working to bring about fairness, equality & no prejudices will stop (imagined) oppression and be an improvement to their lives. That's why Stalin called his helpers in the revolution "Useful Idiots".

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Jul 29, 2017 00:46:45   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Nickolai wrote:
How do you explain the large number of red flakes of in exploded Nano Thermite in the dust and the iron tiny iron spheres in the dust all evidence that Nano Thermite was used to cut through the steel columns that had to be cut before the towers could go into free fall offering no resistance from the steel structure below the office fires that were burning with black smoke evidence of oxygen starvation. Nano Thermite emits white smoke watch the videos for the white smoke. Have you seen the one where a person is blown out a window by a blast ? I didn't think so. and that is the tip of the iceberg that the official government narrative was a lie the 9-11 commission report did not even mention building seven's collapse at free fall then two years later tried to cover by saying the collapse was caused by fire
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Thermite would leave tons of formerly melted iron blobs, not just microspheres. But in the 1970s, while workers welded thousands of steel beams together, hot microspheres were splattered everywhere. Concrete has fly ash in it, and I have a photo of iron-rich spheres in Tolk fly ash in my YouTube video response. Even if the microspheres were created in the fires on 9/11, the R.J. Lee dust study said, “Considering the high temperatures reached during the destruction of the WTC … Iron-rich spheres … would be expected to be present in the Dust.

Niels Harritt, Steven Jones and other 9/11 controlled demolition theorists claim to have found nanothermite particles in dust samples from the World Trade Center. They made sure the dust samples were untainted, and used advanced instruments to measure what happened when these tiny red-grey chips were heated up.

Thermites reach temperatures of around 4500° and have their own oxygen supply when they burn, so they can burn underwater. Harritt, Jones, et. al. therefore should have heated up the chips in a nitrogen or argon atmosphere to eliminate the possibility that regular hydrocarbons were burning. They also failed to take the carbon-based products out of the mix, so what we may well be seeing is some kind of carbon-based product burning in oxygen. They compared the sudden energy spike of their burning chips with the spikes of known nanothermites, and found that their chips ignited at around 150° C. lower than the known nanothermites, and the energy release was off between their chips and the nanothermites by a factor of at least two. Yet they called this a match for nanothermite!

Attempts to independently replicate this experiment have been dismal. Mark Basile, who appeared in the acknowledgments of the original study, burned the chips in air, replicating the error of the original experiment and not even measuring the energy released. A chemist named Frédéric Henry-Couannier got another dust sample from the original experimenters and wrote, “Eventually the presence of nanothermite could not be confirmed.” The R.J. Lee Company did a 2003 study on the dust and didn’t find thermitic material.

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Jul 29, 2017 01:39:10   #
Steve700
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Thermite would leave tons of formerly melted iron blobs, not just microspheres. But in the 1970s, while workers welded thousands of steel beams together, hot microspheres were splattered everywhere. Concrete has fly ash in it, and I have a photo of iron-rich spheres in Tolk fly ash in my YouTube video response. Even if the microspheres were created in the fires on 9/11, the R.J. Lee dust study said, “Considering the high temperatures reached during the destruction of the WTC … Iron-rich spheres … would be expected to be present in the Dust.

Niels Harritt, Steven Jones and other 9/11 controlled demolition theorists claim to have found nanothermite particles in dust samples from the World Trade Center. They made sure the dust samples were untainted, and used advanced instruments to measure what happened when these tiny red-grey chips were heated up.

Thermites reach temperatures of around 4500° and have their own oxygen supply when they burn, so they can burn underwater. Harritt, Jones, et. al. therefore should have heated up the chips in a nitrogen or argon atmosphere to eliminate the possibility that regular hydrocarbons were burning. They also failed to take the carbon-based products out of the mix, so what we may well be seeing is some kind of carbon-based product burning in oxygen. They compared the sudden energy spike of their burning chips with the spikes of known nanothermites, and found that their chips ignited at around 150° C. lower than the known nanothermites, and the energy release was off between their chips and the nanothermites by a factor of at least two. Yet they called this a match for nanothermite!

Attempts to independently replicate this experiment have been dismal. Mark Basile, who appeared in the acknowledgments of the original study, burned the chips in air, replicating the error of the original experiment and not even measuring the energy released. A chemist named Frédéric Henry-Couannier got another dust sample from the original experimenters and wrote, “Eventually the presence of nanothermite could not be confirmed.” The R.J. Lee Company did a 2003 study on the dust and didn’t find thermitic material.
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DEMOLITION THEORISTS ??? WTF. Now you're using THEORISTS. No doubt those are government theorists too. RIGHT??? JackASS! What makes you think you're theorists are any better than anyone else's. I'll bet they're paid by the government. Your stupid ass technical bull shit is such a minor, insignificant part of the total picture that it's not even worth discussing . And you stay stuck on that like that's all there was. What about no plane wreckage at 2 locations,
What about no black boxes
What about No surveillance video of the suppose it hijackers
what about the plumes of smoke ejected from the building that are signature demolition explosive plooms
what about those explosive plumage ejections occurring 3 and 4 floors below the ones that are collapsing on the next lower one.
What about the hundreds of people that heard the explosions
what about the videos I showed you where you can see the explosions
what about Larry Silverstein over ensuring the buildings against terrorism. 2 months prior to their destruction
what about Larry Silverstein's statements that they decided to pull the building which cannot be done without preset explosives
what about President Bush and terminating himself saying the explosives were placed high enough to prevent the people above from being able to escape.
What about his self-incriminating to other Freudian slips like the one above that resulted in his speech becoming completely discombobulated when he realized what he had said.
What about What about What about etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. --- And all that stuff is no more than 5% of the stuff that there is no answer to other than that 9/11 was an inside job. -- And you haven't got one single thing that there is no answer to other than that the government's narrative is true.

There is Something VERY Seriously Wrong With You

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Jul 29, 2017 01:42:05   #
Nickolai
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Thermite would leave tons of formerly melted iron blobs, not just microspheres. But in the 1970s, while workers welded thousands of steel beams together, hot microspheres were splattered everywhere. Concrete has fly ash in it, and I have a photo of iron-rich spheres in Tolk fly ash in my YouTube video response. Even if the microspheres were created in the fires on 9/11, the R.J. Lee dust study said, “Considering the high temperatures reached during the destruction of the WTC … Iron-rich spheres … would be expected to be present in the Dust.

Niels Harritt, Steven Jones and other 9/11 controlled demolition theorists claim to have found nanothermite particles in dust samples from the World Trade Center. They made sure the dust samples were untainted, and used advanced instruments to measure what happened when these tiny red-grey chips were heated up.

Thermites reach temperatures of around 4500° and have their own oxygen supply when they burn, so they can burn underwater. Harritt, Jones, et. al. therefore should have heated up the chips in a nitrogen or argon atmosphere to eliminate the possibility that regular hydrocarbons were burning. They also failed to take the carbon-based products out of the mix, so what we may well be seeing is some kind of carbon-based product burning in oxygen. They compared the sudden energy spike of their burning chips with the spikes of known nanothermites, and found that their chips ignited at around 150° C. lower than the known nanothermites, and the energy release was off between their chips and the nanothermites by a factor of at least two. Yet they called this a match for nanothermite!

Attempts to independently replicate this experiment have been dismal. Mark Basile, who appeared in the acknowledgments of the original study, burned the chips in air, replicating the error of the original experiment and not even measuring the energy released. A chemist named Frédéric Henry-Couannier got another dust sample from the original experimenters and wrote, “Eventually the presence of nanothermite could not be confirmed.” The R.J. Lee Company did a 2003 study on the dust and didn’t find thermitic material.
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Studying the iron spheres in a sample of the dust from 9-11 an extrapolation of a three inch layer of dust over Manhattan suggested the number of iron spheres to be in the billions and there had to be a source for the extreme heat that burned so many cars buses and even police cars at ground level and melted through some engine blocks. What could have caused that to cars two blocks and more from ground zero. Where were the 3,000 porcelain toilet bowls, the desks, computers, the thousands of filing cabinets ect all turned to dust in mid air along with over 1,100 people that not a trace was found they were dustified too ?????

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Jul 29, 2017 01:51:00   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Steve700 wrote:
DEMOLITION THEORISTS ??? WTF. Now you're using THEORISTS. No doubt those are government theorists too. RIGHT??? JackASS! What makes you think you're theorists are any better than anyone else's. All but their paid by the government. Your stupid ass technical bull shit is such a minor, insignificant part of the total picture that it's not even worth discussing . And you stay stuck on that like that's all there was. What about no plane wreckage at 2 locations,
What about no black boxes
What about No surveillance video of the suppose it hijackers
what about the plumes of smoke ejected from the building that are signature demolition explosive plooms
what about those explosive plumage ejections occurring 3 and 4 floors below the ones that are collapsing on the next lower one.
What about the hundreds of people that heard the explosions
what about the videos I showed you where you can see the explosions
what about Larry Silverstein over ensuring the buildings against terrorism. 2 months prior to their destruction
what about Larry Silverstein's statements that they decided to pull the building which cannot be done without preset explosives
what about President Bush and terminating himself saying the explosives were placed high enough to prevent the people above from being able to escape.
What about his self-incriminating to other Freudian slips like the one above that resulted in his speech becoming completely discombobulated when he realized what he had said.
What about What about What about etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. --- And all that stuff is no more than 5% of the stuff that there is no answer to other than that 9/11 was an inside job. -- And you haven't got one single thing that there is no answer to other than that the government's narrative is true.

There is Something VERY Seriously Wrong With You
b DEMOLITION THEORISTS ??? WTF /b . Now you're u... (show quote)
What about that giant cob up your ignorant ass?

Niels Harritt, Steven Jones and other 9/11 controlled demolition theorists claim to have found nanothermite particles in dust samples from the World Trade Center.

Al Qaeda terrorists attacked us on 9/11. The verdict on that was in a long time ago. You are a hamster spinning on a wheel.

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Jul 29, 2017 02:15:28   #
Steve700
 
Nickolai wrote:
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Studying the iron spheres in a sample of the dust from 9-11 an extrapolation of a three inch layer of dust over Manhattan suggested the number of iron spheres to be in the billions and there had to be a source for the extreme heat that burned so many cars buses and even police cars at ground level and melted through some engine blocks. What could have caused that to cars two blocks and more from ground zero. Where were the 3,000 porcelain toilet bowls, the desks, computers, the thousands of filing cabinets ect all turned to dust in mid air along with over 1,100 people that not a trace was found they were dustified too ?????
https://tse2.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.pRXmBAKZUVeLdjI... (show quote)

You always like to reply to my posts. Please don't ignore this one. I want to see what you have to say about your affiliation with the Democratic Party who are just proved to you is trying to destroy America. In turn this into a communist nation. I mean, that is quite obvious since they are fulfilling all the Communist Party's goals for the overthrow of America. How do you feel about the party. You are aligned with the destruction of a free America for your purpose for existence to be to serve the state.

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Jul 29, 2017 02:40:56   #
Steve700
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
What about that giant cob up your ignorant ass?

Niels Harritt, Steven Jones and other 9/11 controlled demolition theorists claim to have found nanothermite particles in dust samples from the World Trade Center.

Al Qaeda terrorists attacked us on 9/11. The verdict on that was in a long time ago. You are a hamster spinning on a wheel.

I will leave perverted acts like that for you. All your technical bull shit is nothing but a matters of opinion and with all the other much more important questions, it's not even worth discussing. (But it makes you feel like your impressing people with your smartness and that's why you're doing it) What do you mean the verdict was in a long time ago. The government's bull shit story that is totally full of holes is hardly a verdict, More people than not disagree with that government these days. Only those who Have Not seen the information and the questions to which there is no other answer, don't believe that it was an inside job; You can't answer any of those questions and you are a demented self absorbed ass to just ignore and dismiss them. That is proof positive you have no integrity. You are deliberately avoiding truth in preference to believing what you would like to believe.





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Jul 29, 2017 10:30:52   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
Steve700 wrote:
I will leave perverted acts like that for you. All your technical bull shit is nothing but a matters of opinion and with all the other much more important questions, it's not even worth discussing. (But it makes you feel like your impressing people with your smartness and that's why you're doing it) What do you mean the verdict was in a long time ago. The government's bull shit story that is totally full of holes is hardly a verdict, More people than not disagree with that government these days. Only those who Have Not seen the information and the questions to which there is no other answer, don't believe that it was an inside job; You can't answer any of those questions and you are a demented self absorbed ass to just ignore and dismiss them. That is proof positive you have no integrity. You are deliberately avoiding truth in preference to believing what you would like to believe.
I will leave perverted acts like that for you. Al... (show quote)


"You are deliberately avoiding truth in preference to believing what you would like to believe."
Yep; for those that will not see:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JmcRrWcSoE

Long but complete. He who takes the time, will know 911 backwards and forwards.
False Flags can be repeated when they go unexposed and unpunished.

9/11 Coincidences, Yeah Right! - 2007 (full length)
https://youtu.be/rjZJjjQEkUo

10 Disturbing 9/11 Facts
https://youtu.be/Cnht6NCDtJI

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Jul 29, 2017 10:44:29   #
trucksterbud
 
Steve700 wrote:
To ALL 9/11 Truth Deniers:

What I want is for you to watch this video that clearly shows the explosions of planned demolition going off several floors below the ones collapsing in on each other and it ain't the Windows blowing out from air compression of the floors above collapsing in on each other (as I mentioned those are 3 or 4 floors above the explosions) because there's only 9 or 10 Evenly Spaced (and in the same position on each floor) explosions causing columns or pillars of smoke being blasted out. (Not a natural collapse phenominon, but Same as you see in every planned demolition of those tall buildings) But there are 56 Windows across the face of the building. (I got a close-up picture and counted them) This video completely destroys any ideas that the twin towers were Not a Planned Demolition within the 1st 30 seconds of the video. You think you can spend that much time to see it ??? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdYu46M6gr0

Then there is also this retired CIA agent who, while on his deathbed, said he was involved in the planting the demolition explosives for 9/11. See this article also along with the video link I just gave you and let's see if you still hold your views that the government narrative is the truth. Article: http://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-107953-1.html OR Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Rmj_B4lejg (If your a truth denier, please don't bother giving your opinion without seeing the videos)
More information proving it was an inside job in the very next post below
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Yep, very good information Steve. But the one that really got me was the symposium by Dr Judy Wood given in Toronto. She points out that there is 250,000 tons of steel, concrete, glass ..... and.... toilets turned to dust. Have you ever tried to turn toilets into dust..?? All that material brought down......by whatever means, and turned to dust.... Ya, explain that one.... Somebody. The only possible explanation was...... Thermite... instantaneous 12,000 degree heat...melts steel.....turns toilets to dust..... turns glass to dust. Just sayin.....

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