Carol Kelly

Did you personally know any of the men who were in the Hanoi Hilton or their wives and children? If so, you may feel differently after much thought.

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

Really.... well I was in the military and did not fly a desk. So, do you want to exchange war stories...?? Here is mine... I went, I did my job. But, this thread is not about me or my experiences.... not my military career or the time I spent as a government employee or my time in the ME.... not about any stories I have told, or what I have endured or any claims of being a hero..... It is not about my forefathers who were military men or women and even their individual stories; this thread is about John McCain. However, thank you for your interest in my life. Perhaps you may want to open a thread and regale us with your personal stories of combat experiences.

Paybacktimeishere

John McCain, a real American Hero?

Slatten49: My late uncle,whom died from(A.O. related), prostate, metastatic cancer, at the age of 64, a Veteran of The U.S. Air Force, both Korea & South Vietnam, directed me to the non-fiction
novel, about Gunnery SGT. Carlos Hathcock, USMC, Sniper, describing this Real HERO'S, Courageous exploit's, while serving in "Indian Country". SGT. Hathcock passed away at the age of 49 in Arkansas, USA, where he was from.
He was called a "Natural", when it came to hunting, & his proficiency with a rifle, & putting
food on the table, for his family. IT'S been awhile, since I read the book, but it WAS based on Fact. Then again, my memory isn't what it once was. None of AMERICA'S, True Hero's Are
ever mentioned, or Honored, as they should be,
because The LEFT-WING, "MEDIA" is more "Wrapped Up" & Sympathetic, to the Overpaid, Oversexed, Overdrugged, & Very Much, Over Glorified, & "Worshiped"; Football, Baseball, &
Especially Basketball, "SPORT'S HERO'S", than
anything else!!! I Stand by,what I Posted, until
I see the FACT'S, absolutely disproving, everything that I have read about the late, GREAT MARINE SNIPER, AKA "WHITE FEATHER". In the book, about SGT. CARLOS HATHCOCK, it also depict's his long-range, assassination of both a top NVA GENERAL, &
"APACHE WOMAN", an enemy, female sniper, that also enjoyed, skinning alive, captured U.S.
Soldier's & Marine's, in order to "Draw-Out" other American's, hearing the Loud Screaming,
Of those being tortured, so they could also be "Ambushed & Slaughtered", by The Awaiting Enemy. I also remember, that The Enemy, had a
$50,000.00 "BOUNTY" on "WHITE FEATHER"!!!

Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA

I didn't attempt to demean your service, so your reply is irrelevant.

Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA

I've thought about it plenty.

Have you given any thought to putting yourself in enemy hands and doing better?

zombietracker Loc: Fema region 6

Oh boo hoo.

Hero? You have no idea what a traitor he was in captivity. Hero, please spare me. And screw you, hate bitch

Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA

I'm less concerned about those of you living under the freedom of heroes than I am of the heroes themselves.

And your vomiting from Soros' anti-American hate-sites concerns me even less.

A smart, respectful person in your position would just say 'Thank you' and STFU.

slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas

From Wikipedia:

Carlos Norman Hathcock II
Carlos Hathcock DM-SD-98-02324.JPG
Nickname "White Feather"
Born May 20, 1942
Little Rock, Arkansas, U.S.
Died February 22, 1999
Virginia Beach, Virginia, U.S.
United States of America
United States Marine Corps
Years of service 1959–1979
USMC-E7, Gunnery Sergeant
1st Marine Division
Vietnam War
Individual Awards/Medals:
Silver Star
Navy and Marine Corps Commendation Medal
Purple Heart

Hathcock died from complications resulting from multiple sclerosis.
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The only details your memory failed in, clearly, was that Hathcock did not win the Medal of Honor, he died of multiple sclerosis, and he was almost 57 upon his death...not 49. My pointing out those details do not at all detract from the man himself, nor our reverence for him. As previously stated, every Viet Nam Marine I know (to include myself) recognizes him as a legendary figure. It is no crime for one's memory to fail, nor is it a crime to correct those details for the sake of accuracy.

Loki Loc: Georgia

According to Richard Marcinko, the founder and first commander of SEAL 6, the failure to award Hathcock the Medal was one of the more egregious injustices of the Vietnam War.

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

Your comments speak for themselves: "Sux to be you." "I'd bet the ungrateful entitled little weasel would wet his panties if he was snapped with a wet towel." "Ironically, these heroes of the past did such a great job at it that you don't have to understand it, because you've never experienced anything but the cushy life they bought for you with their blood, limbs, and lives." So do tell me that you did not attempt to demean my service or me personally..... A real man would apologize but I have learned to expect nothing of the sort from liberals.....

slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas

There is no reason I would argue otherwise. Among my USMC Veteran friends he was/is a legend, especially among Marines.

slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas

A great quote from Richard Marcinko, with which I agree, whole-heartedly:

"When you fight, you don't fight for abstract values like the flag, or the nation, or democracy. You fight for your buddy. You fight to keep him alive, and he fights to keep you alive, and you go on that way, day after day, battle after battle. And when one of your buddies dies, something inside you dies as well. But you go on. You fight, so that his death isn't meaningless, his sacrifice isn't for nothing."

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

I could not agree more! Lông Trắng, translated as "White Feather," was one of the most feared snipers in Nam. There is a story I heard, I do not know if it is true or not, but among his other accomplishments was shooting an enemy sniper through the enemy's own scope, hitting him in the eye and killing him. The story goes that it was near Hill 55 when the shot was taken. The only way this could have been done is if the now dead sniper was zeroing in on Hathcock. Imagine the skill this would have taken. I do know of one confirmed kill that caused many to celebrate, that of Apache... a woman who delighted in torturing U.S. Marines and ARVN troops and letting them bleed to death. There is another story about his last day in Nam, on Route 1, north of LZ Baldy he was riding in an Amtrack (an LVT-5) it hit an anti-tank mine. Hathcock pulled seven Marines off the flame-engulfed vehicle and was severely burned before jumping to safety. All eight injured marines were medevaced to the USS Repose (AH-16), then to a Naval Hospital in Tokyo, and ultimately to the burn center at Brooke Army Medical Center in San Antonio, TX. Even so, he stayed in the service even after being diagnosed with MS and trained snipers in Virginia. Such a pity what the Corps did... they medically retired him 55 days before he reached his 20 years so he only qualified for 50 percent of his retirement pay but did receive disability pay from the VA.

boatbob2

Its been said,That mccain was supposed to get a dishonerable discharge (and also,some other pows) until nixon pardoned them,true or not?? I dont know.

Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA

I strongly suspect it would have been mentioned by someone credible by now.

You also have to believe the MSM kept this a secret when he was running against Obama. That's beyond reasonable.