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JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

How's that? Seems his statement is factual.

CounterRevolutionary

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JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

Everything I have seen about fixing healthcare costs through a free market approach has to do with transparency. Wouldn't it be nice to belong to a clinic and know what your charges will be ahead of time.

buffalo Loc: Texas

Come on, J, you know damn well nobody, not even me, is trying to force anyone (doctors or hospitals) to "treat them" (I am assuming you referring to "treat them" for free). Medicare for All would be no different (except many times cheaper) than YOUR health INSURANCE paying for needed medical CARE for someone with the same health INSURANCE as you and YOU never needing it, but continuing to pay premiums. The difference would be in lessor amount of taxes you and every other taxpayer would pay instead of the ridiculously high premiums paid to private, for profit health INSURANCE corporations for the same coverage for medical CARE with little to NO deductions and co-pays.

Your buying into the lie, propaganda and myths put out by the private, for profit health INSURANCE giants that are scared to death of losing their graving train from their legal robbing and raping of the US health CARE system. Truth is waiting times are not that much different here than in Canada, again lies put out by the health INSURANCE giants. Truth is health CARE in the US IS rationed, it it rationed by its high COSTS that prevent people from getting medical CARE.

My 88yo Dad (Medicare) , in the last 4 years has had to have heart stents and recently a pace maker. None of it was an emergency, but it was all done from initial primary care physician visit, to visits and the procedures of the heart specialist within 30 days each time. ALL paid for but very little by MEDICARE! But it is NOT FREE! He has paid taxes into the Medicare system since its inception and STILL pays a monthly premium deducted from his social Security. Ask any old person how they like their Medicare. A system that would work for every one and save 95% of taxpayers money.

So your being duped about the Canadian system and the US Medicare system by the lies and myths of the private, for profit health INSURANCE giants.

And I can guarantee you this--under the old system before the ACA, as with after the ACA and after the republican monkeys get through with their version of kissing the asses of the private, for profit, health INSURANCE giant organ grinders and their paid lobbyists, the government will still pay for or heavily subsidize the elderly and poors' health CARE because THOSE 2 GROUPS ARE THE SICKEST AND FRAILEST AND GENERATE TOO MUCH IN MEDICAL EXPENSES FOR THE HEALTH INSURANCE GIANTS TO PROFIT FROM and YOUR going to get stuck with ever higher premiums!

Did it save any money (cause premiums to go down) for the government to mandate millions to buy health INSURANCE from the private, for profit health INSURANCE giants? YOUR the one being duped.

Health CARE is a right! It is just that greedy fuckers like you are afraid some body might get more if it was made available for everyone.

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

Your last sentence shows you to be an asshole just because I disagreed with you. Greedy? I'm a lot of things but greedy ain't one of them. The 90 year old guy that was head of the Canadian health care system, actually developed what they now have said it was a mistake and is not far from imploding. Argue with him not me dickhead.
http://civitasreview.com/healthcare/father-of-canadian-health-care-admits-its-a-failure/

PeterS

Your first problem is that health care is an item with infinite demand and no matter the price people they will always be willing to pay more. Your second problem is that most people get their insurance through their employer where they have little to no input into their provider--without individual choice there is no free market. Your third problem is that there is nary a senator or congressman who isn't on the take to the healthcare industry. When the healthcare industry writes the regulations controlling them a free market is the last thing you will ever have. You are a dreamer CR. There isn't much more to say about it...

And here is another problem not discussed--right now McConnell is trying to buy off senators to get his bill across. You honestly think a free market is doable when the bill is dependent on payola for it to be possible? Ain't going to happen...

peter11937 Loc: NYS

You have no idea whatever about the facts. Ask any good medical provider before you spout more nonsense.

badbob85037

If the government wants to do something for me they should start with leaving me alone. I know we need to pay taxes but that's it. I don't care what the Supreme Court says government both parties need to allow me and the insurance company I choose take care of my health. The government puts 20 million illegals and the millions of obama's Muslim army who don't pay squat, put them in the bucket with the rest of us, shakes it up, now we pay for them too so California hospitals stop going belly up and closing down and they can go to the emergency room for a hangnail or cold.

100% of the time what ever government touches goes to shit and health care is no different.

buffalo Loc: Texas

BULLSHIT! Health CARE in the US is ALREADY RATIONED--IT IS RATIONED BY COSTS. Some get it for free as if a right (the very poor), others pay for it like a privilege (the rich and wealthy), and then there are those in the middle that have to treat it like a bankrupting privilege (COSTS, like high deductibles, co-pays and monthly premiums the size of house payments) and still pay taxes for those that get it for free. What a deal! And truth be known, except those that get to treat it as a privilege (the rich), wait times for certain non-emergency procedures are just as bad if not worse. PROPAGANDA!!!

peter11937 Loc: NYS

Tak about misinformation...you are a true source. Do a little research, start by asking your doctor about it.

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

When have I defended the present health care system? I don't believe what we are doing works at all. The snakes are still in charge. I just happen to believe the biggest ball of snakes is in Washington D.C.. Believe me, I pay a ridiculous premium because of government mandates, lack of transparency, and being a healthy person thrown into a pool including the sickest. Rationed by cost, I can see that, but then so is everything with a price. If you put millions more on the health care industry there will be rationing also.

buffalo Loc: Texas

I have asked my brother, an ER doctor on the Texas/Mexico border for over 25 years and and family practice doctor for over 30 years. He prefers ER medicine to the hassle of dealing with 150 private insurers. He gets paid $200/hour for a 12 hour shift providing emergency medical CARE to anyone that presents to his ER illegal alien or not, he could care less. He is an excellent and experienced diagnostician. He thinks medical CARE should be a right for all, not just for the poor and damn sure not a privilege for the rich while others have to treat it as a bankrupting privilege yet paying taxes for those that get to treat it as a right. He is a proponent of Medicare for All. His ideas of what medical CARE should be is where most of my opinion comes from.

My 88yo Dad's heart specialist is a proponent of Medicare for All. He has been my Dad's heart doctor for over 10 years and has provided EXCELLENT CARE. He recently put a pace maker in for Dad and Dad's part was $58.53 after Medicare Part B paid. Haven't got the hospital bil,l yet.

Where have I misinformed, pete? It is the private, for profit health INSURANCE giants that misinform (and in many cases BRAINWASHE). YOU do a little research into what they stand to lose if they are booted from raping the US health CARE system.

Iamdjchrys Loc: Decatur, Texas

My daughter is mentally ill, and has lupus and psoriatic arthritis. She cannot work, and neither can her husband, who was assaulted eirh a metal pipe to his back. What happens to them?

peter11937 Loc: NYS

My doctor is not taking and new medicare patients. New patients must pay CASH for it. My nephew, just out of his internship which included long hours in the ER has joined another local doctor in private practice. Another medical professional I have known since childhood has limited new patients to the cash only method and absolutely detests the paperwork burden that accompanies medicare and the very long wait for payment. Pvt. Ins. made him wait, so he brought them to court, and won. Payments thereafter were made on time, but governments will not pay in time, and if there is ONE ERROR. don't pay at all and will fine the practice for making the error.... If you are already on medicare and have been for a time, they seem to be OK. If you are lucky enough to get there, and we continue to socialize meds, you might be in for a huge shock.