don buddy Loc: Nebraska

Before the media puts out a bunch of lies and half truths. Lets us discuss it. Pro and Con. I bet we do a better job than they do. What is your ideas and how can it be better.

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

What I have seen so far makes me want the bill to fail. It seems like Obamacare lite. To much government

mongo Loc: TEXAS

IMO, the governments involvement in Health Care should end. Let the health care industry compete. It will bring the cost of health care down
and make it affordable to families in lower income jobs. With the savings, the government would be able to help jobless families till they get on their feet. As far as welfare families that have no intention of finding work, give them three months then cut all benefits. Health Care is not a right, It's a privilege, no matter what the liberal pukes think!

SEMPER FI

peter11937 Loc: NYS

Worse yet, if the Dpctors will not accept the fees and restrictions of Obama care, and the good ones do not, then all you have is a piece of paper for which you have paid a ton of money and NO health care at all

bmac32 Loc: West Florida

Sounds like a good idea other than replacing what Obama and his fellow Democrats have destroyed will be extremely expensive to replace. Many of the smaller companies have been destroyed and I sure don't want government involvement other than what people are owed.

mongo Loc: TEXAS

That was the whole idea in the first place. Destroy any health care companies that could give reasonable coverage for an affordable
price, and pay off the giant corporations and let them charge unreasonable amounts for health care.
Not including the kick-backs to the politicians that approved the law!

SEMPER FI

CounterRevolutionary

Listen to today's White House 1600 Daily report on the President's agenda. VP Mike Pence held a Town hall round-table discussion of Americans fed up with Obamacare:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9y-UXWtlIcM
Vice President Pence Joins CMS Administrator Seema Verma for a Listening Session

We heard testimony of some very destitute families. Under Obamacare's expansion of Medicaid, the able bodied who can take care of themselves, are reaping most of the medical benefits, while the truly crippled, handicapped, and special needs patients are cut short. Expanding socialism has not served the most needy very well at all. That's exactly what was discussed in the White House Round Table this morning.

Obamacare has expanded Medicaid, spreading the money too thinly, cutting coverage for the most destitute and wasting it upon the able bodied. What did these people at the Round Table ask for? Overturn Obamacare and open up interstate commerce to shop all 50 states for an affordable and applicable policy tailored to their personal needs.

Tell Congress to get busy NOW and pass this bill that favors free market access at competitive prices. If it is going to take 2 or 3 steps to get the job done, say so and stop lying to us. Do as much as possible right now.

If I had the power, I's scrap the entire Obamacare and open up interstate commerce this Friday.

CounterRevolutionary

Floria, I would agree with you and Senator Rand Paul about this Obamacare lite bill coming out of the Senate. It is still state tyranny, quarantining citizens state by state, zip code by zip code, allowing legislators to regulate policies and prices artificially high and wide, in some sort of quid-pro-quo exchange for fat campaign contributions.

How long will it take for people to be able to purchase policies that are portable, affordable, private, and tailored to their personal needs?

How many seniors or "chronically ill" want to live in a state that legalizes euthanasia orchestrated by state medics who will determine your "feeblemindedness"?

Look what is going down in California; the state is so flat broke, it should declare bankruptcy, and they can't even print their own money out of thin air, like the Federal Reserve Bank. Up the creek without a paddle. Nevertheless, Californians are trying to pass the Public Option.

https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/health-care/item/26326-california-s-400-billion-single-payer-bill-tabled-for-the-year
Monday, 26 June 2017
California’s $400-Billion Single-payer Bill Tabled for the Year
Written by Michael Tennant

"The cost of the measure is perhaps its biggest hurdle. The Democrat-controlled Senate Appropriations Committee estimated last month that the bill, sponsored by Senators Ricardo Lara and Toni Atkins, would cost the state $400 billion a year, more than twice its existing annual budget."

And the state of California is already $400 billion in debt, not counting the unfunded liabilities of CalPERS and teachers pension funds and bonds:

http://www.sfchronicle.com/politics/article/California-s-400-billion-debt-worries-analysts-6812264.php
California’s $400 billion debt worries analysts, the San Francisco Chronicle, February 6, 2016

How stupid is socialism? Just look at California. Its stupidity is right before your very eyes.

CounterRevolutionary

Healthcare is not the same as health insurance. Health insurance should cost no more than auto insurance, that covers medical costs for the driver, passengers, and collateral damage for victims and property at an average of $60/month.

Auto insurance is limited. It does not cover gasoline, oil changes, new mufflers, windshield wipers, parking tickets or DUIs or tune-ups; yet it is portable across all 50 state lines.

Health insurance should follow the same model as auto insurance. Then, it would be affordable to everyone, even when changing jobs or unemployed for a spell, or attending college. Health Savings Accounts would provide for everyday ailments and help with consumer cost control over the medical market.

It's all doable. So simple. Why does nobody want to do it?

PeterS

You mean like the cost was going down before Obamacare? Competition isn't the problem. They have a commodity that everyone must have to have healthcare, an industry where most healthcare is provided through employers, and own the congressmen and senators who control regulations. The free market died in heath care decades ago, there are just some of us here who are too stubborn and ignorant to admit that.

Patsaco1

In my state of Maine we had many "FreeClinics" run by physicians and nurses to help the poor. They were funded with private donations and some government help. They all went away after Obamacare. It is a privilege not a right to have healthcare. The hospitals cannot turn you away if you have no insurance!!
Whenever I was without insurance it was when I started a new job (for better pay or benefits) and I had to wait the 3 months before I could get it. But I paid for it myself and it was fairly reasonable. Everything was fine until Obama took office. Government needs to keep their nose out of healthcare.

4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory

The government has no business in Healthcare period.

Let Ins co sell across state lines and let the marketplace do it's job competition will sort it all out.

buffalo Loc: Texas

Health CARE should be a right, like it is in all other industrialized countries, not a bankrupting privilege that only the rich can afford, no matter what reactionary, brainwashed, by the propaganda, lies and myths put out by the private, for profit health INSURANCE corporations, dupes think! With all the other industrialized countries adopting some form of universal health CARE the US is more like a non developed country when it comes to health CARE . The problem with the US system is that only the wealthy can afford good health CARE. Americans think writing a blank check to the Pentagon is money well spent, but universal health CARE is just a handout to freeloaders.

Obviously, mongo, you are a veteran. Do you receive your health CARE through the VA system? If you are, what do you think of it? The VA system IS what socialized medicine looks like. All the doctors and medical personnel are government employees and all the VA hospitals are government owned and run. Truth be known it is probably no worse in wait times and outcomes than the current private US health CARE system but is vilified by the private, for profit health INSURANCE industry out of fear of losing their "death grip" on the US health CARE system But in a single payer/universal health CARE system like the proposed Improved and Expanded Medicare for All (HR676) the doctors would still be in private practices and the hospitals would still be privately owned. THAT is NOT socialized medicine. The VA, Medicaid and private, for profit health INSURANCE would be eliminated and every man, woman and child would be covered with health CARE.

Don't want the government involved in health CARE? The government (taxpayers) already funds 65% of health CARE costs in the US. Think Medicare, Medicaid, the VA and government employees (local, county, stated and federal).

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

It is not a right. No one has the right to force anyone else to treat them. Healthcare is not in our Constitution. If it was a human right everyone would have the same access. We know that's never going to be true. Saying healthcare is a human right or not really changes nothing. Shouldn't shelter be a human right? Many other examples could be given. You are correct, government has been involved in healthcare for years. We haven't had healthcare free of government for ages. I know you believe the government can run this efficiently. I of course don't. Many countries that have single payer are running into big financial problems. There is also waiting times, rationing and the elderly do get delayed or denied for certain procedures. I have seen your cut and pastes from proponent's of expenditures and savings. Frankly I think they are full of shit. The same people said the ACA would save money. How do you put millions of more people on any government program, many not working and expect costs to go down?

CounterRevolutionary

PtereS writes: "Competition isn't the problem"

Actually, LACK of competition IS THE PROBLEM

We have too much government regulation of health insurance, too many middlemen, too many paper-shuffling bureaucrats; it is a racket.

Legislators reap huge campaign contributions in exchange for fixing policies and prices artificially high and wide.

Here is a perfect example of how free markets work:

Atlas MD Press Room | Wichita's Premiere Cash-Only Clinic » Atlas ...
https://atlas.md/press-room/
Sean Hannity offers up Atlas MD's Direct Care model as a possible tool for fixing healthcare. ... Dr. Josh Named One of WBJ's 2016 Health Care Heroes .... The son of a hospital administrator, Dr. Doug Nunamaker attended Pittsburg State ... as Director of Sales for a commercial LED lighting company before joining Atlas MD.

Dr. Josh Umbehr on the Concierge Medicine Revolution - The ...
https://www.theobjectivestandard.com/.../dr-josh-umbehr-on-concierge-medicine-rev...
Discusses the nature of concierge medicine and Dr. Umbehr's own version of this ... The membership model of concierge medicine allows us to keep the cost per ... And if we save the patient money, we're saving the insurance company .... Our direct sign-up rates are $10 for children ages 0 to 19; $50 for adults ages 20 to...

AtlasMD founder Umbehr featured on Sean Hannity Show - Wichita ...
www.bizjournals.com/wichita/.../atlasmd-founder-featured-on-fox-news-program.htm...
Mar 8, 2017 - Patients don't pay co-pays and aren't charged extra for office visits. ... He founded the Wichita direct-care medical practice more than six years ...

Secretary Tom Price: Health bill is a work in progress | Fox News
www.foxnews.com/transcript/.../secretary-tom-price-health-bill-is-work-in-progress.html
Mar 7, 2017 - SEAN HANNITY: It's time to break down the GOP's American Health Care Act and ... The current version of the American Health Care Act, as Tom Price said, is a first draft. ... [AtlasMD founder Dr. Umbehr] Our care is $10 a month for kids, $50 a month for most adults for ... And now those plans would be drastically cheaper per month,...

Wouldn't it be nice if your employer opened a Health Savings Account for you, or you opened your own? You could purchase AtlasMD healthcare with NO middlemen for $50/month and unlimited doctor visits 24/7 with no co-pays, a 90% discount on pharmaceuticals, and cheap lab costs.

These clinics are catching on, PeterS, so stop whining and complaining. Extra catastrophic health insurance should be a cheap as $60/month, portable across all state lines, just as cheap as auto insurance. You don't have to worry about preexisting conditions with portable policies and HSA and medical co-ops. No government fees and fines. No government database, no government bureaucrats and a government SEIU unionized workforce prying into your personal life and bank account.

Between the medical co-ops, HSAs and catastrophic health insurance, you could do quite nicely for $110/month out of pocket, or your employer could purchase such a plan for you at $1,320/year.

Cheap healthcare, quality medicine of your free choice, and real privacy. It is all so doable!

Every one of these damnable socialists pushing the Public Option should be run over the edge of the world! End of problem!

SCRAP Obamacare! Open up Interstate Commerce for excellent medical service. Free markets work. How's that for a one-page healthcare bill?