What say you -- Popular or Electoral vote? (Page 2): The 17th amendment was voted on in 1992 and at that time Bush senior was president and the house and the senate was controlled by...

bahmer

lindajoy wrote:

Article I, section 3, "The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each state, chosen by the legislature thereof for six Years; and each Senator shall have one Vote." The election of delegates to the Constitutional Convention established the precedent for state selection...

Why do you believe they did this??

The 17th amendment was voted on in 1992 and at that time Bush senior was president and the house and the senate was controlled by the democrats. Maybe at that time they (the democrats were feeling invincible and thought that this was a way to stay in power for quite some tiime and not h ave to worry about those republican controlled states as much. In democrat controlled states they can easily get two senators and in the republican states by moving district boundaries they can easily get at least one and possibly two.

Randy131 Loc: Florida

Because they were much smarter than the people who wrote the 17th Amendment, and passed it into the 'US Constitution' as an amendment and the law of the land.

lindajoy wrote:

Article I, section 3, "The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each state, chosen by the legislature thereof for six Years; and each Senator shall have one Vote." The election of delegates to the Constitutional Convention established the precedent for state selection...

Why do you believe they did this??

Randy131 Loc: Florida

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? If you don't know the facts, then don't comment on the subject, for nothing you've said is true and factual, for the 17th Amendment was passed long before we had either Bush Presidents. UNBELIEVABLY STUPID! Passed by Congress May 13, 1912, and ratified April 8, 1913, the 17th amendment modified Article I, section 3, of the US Constitution.

bahmer wrote:

The 17th amendment was voted on in 1992 and at tha... (show quote)

bahmer

Randy131 wrote:

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? If you don't know the facts, then don't comment on the subject, for nothing you've said is true and factual, for the 17th Amendment was passed long before we had either Bush Presidents. UNBELIEVABLY STUPID! Passed by Congress May 13, 1912, and ratified April 8, 1913, the 17th amendment modified Article I, section 3, of the US Constitution.

Very sorry I was looking at something different and I mad a mistake please forgive me and you are correct it was passed in 1912 and ratified in 1913. United States Senate elections, 1912 and 1913. In the United States Senate elections of 1912 and 1913, Democrats gained control of the Senate from the Republicans. This coincided with Democrat Woodrow Wilson's victory in the presidential election amid a divide in the Republican Party.

dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA

lindajoy wrote:

Article I, section 3, "The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each state, chosen by the legislature thereof for six Years; and each Senator shall have one Vote." The election of delegates to the Constitutional Convention established the precedent for state selection...

Why do you believe they did this??

Part of the Progressive movement. For over 100 years now they have tried to downplay the Constitution and its meaning as irrelevant to the conditions of the day. The living constitution is their bible. We have always had a living constitution but not in the way they think. The Progressives think words mean what they want them to mean and it doesn't matter what they meant at the time they were written. Orwell had much to say about this in his writings, i.e. 1984 and others.

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

bahmer wrote:

The 17th amendment was voted on in 1992 and at tha... (show quote)

Are you talking about filibusters in 1992??

And you say gerrymandering by switching up districts to get the second Republican??
Seems that defeats the purpose, yes? no, ????

padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al

dtucker300 wrote:

Republic and electoral college avoids the tyranny of the majority. Democracy is two wolves and a sheep arguing over what to have for dinner. In fact, one of the worst things we did was ratify the 17th(?) amendment that made election of Senators by popular vote instead of state legislatures. We should repeal it.

You better believe we need to repeal it.

Hogback

ghostgotcha wrote:

Two times now I remember the liberals howling for a popular vote because a Republican won the election.

What say you?... Let us all know... take the poll: (it's simple even a liberal can do it)

http://www.easypolls.net/poll.html?p=59486d4fe4b0038bf3908d31

The Electoral college is to insure that the election is not decided by San Fransisco and New York City throw Florida in also. The campaign would consist of adds and speeches only in those cities one either coast. Andrew Jackson was screwed out of his victory by a crooked electoral system. Four canidates were running of president. Jackson got more votes and more college votes then his competition. But nobody got 51% of the vote so it went to the house to sort it out. John Quency Adams made a deal with the speaker of the house so he was awarded the presidency. Andrew Jackson ran again 4 years later and won in a land slide. So Bush and Trump aren't the only ones to win by college vote. In fact they didn't even count the popular vote until James Madison or so. If we changed the constitution to elect the president using popular vote then we would be ran by Liberal fruit cakes.

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

padremike wrote:

You better believe we need to repeal it.

I do!!!

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

dtucker300 wrote:

Part of the Progressive movement. For over 100 years now they have tried to downplay the Constitution and its meaning as irrelevant to the conditions of the day. The living constitution is their bible. We have always had a living constitution but not in the way they think. The Progressives think words mean what they want them to mean and it doesn't matter what they meant at the time they were written. Orwell had much to say about this in his writings, i.e. 1984 and others.

Agreed....

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

bahmer wrote:

Very sorry I was looking at something different and I mad a mistake please forgive me and you are correct it was passed in 1912 and ratified in 1913. United States Senate elections, 1912 and 1913. In the United States Senate elections of 1912 and 1913, Democrats gained control of the Senate from the Republicans. This coincided with Democrat Woodrow Wilson's victory in the presidential election amid a divide in the Republican Party.

Not a problem, Bahmer..

S. Maturin

Randy131 wrote:

Because they were much smarter than the people who wrote the 17th Amendment, and passed it into the 'US Constitution' as an amendment and the law of the land.

"much smarter".. ask any of the 'peoples' representatives from either house who is the smarter, Maxine Waters or Thomas Jefferson and brace yourself.

I predict roughly 100% of the representatives will say they are much smarter than any founding father and that roughly 97% of the blacks will say Maxine Waters is far brighter than Thomas Jefferson was... that old, dead, white guy.

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

Hogback wrote:

The Electoral college is to insure that the electi... (show quote)

Amen!!!

The Electorate vote was fine for the left but now that one of theirs were not voted in they complain...

The Electorate is the only fair way or your Cali, New York, any state with a higher populace count would rule.. Hardly right anyway you look at it..

Heck just watching this election it had pretty much been called before all states had finished to begin with..

S. Maturin

lindajoy wrote:

Amen!!!

The Electorate vote was fine for the left but now that one of theirs were not voted in they complain...

The Electorate is the only fair way or your Cali, New York, any state with a higher populace count would rule.. Hardly right anyway you look at it..

Heck just watching this election it had pretty much been called before all states had finished to begin with..

Here's a map that will drive home the point we are both making:
http://www.snopes.com/trump-won-3084-of-3141-counties-clinton-won-57/

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

S. Maturin wrote:

Here's a map that will drive home the point we are both making:
http://www.snopes.com/trump-won-3084-of-3141-counties-clinton-won-57/

It sure does,S ...

Reading what was said in trying to backtrack Trump's shellack was also interesting..

Thank You for this...