eagleye13 Loc: Fl

911 enabled the escalation of the mess in the Middle East. It gave the reason/excuse for the invasion of Iraq.
“USA’s” Foreign Policy
USA Foreign Policy is CFR/CIA/NeoCON foreign policy.
The NWO globalists have had it covered using both parties:
This is what USA’s CFR Foreign Policy has created all over.
All for “protecting” human rights? Libya before; Syria, Iraq, Somalia and etc.
As always; follow the money
The Syrian War What You're Not Being Told
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkamZg68jpk

The road to WWIII by StormClowdsGathering.com
What's really going on in Syria? Let's look at the evidence.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HP7L8bw5QF4

amadjuster Loc: Texas Panhandle

Your correction was to try and infect my computer with a virus.

payne1000

You obviously don't recognize scams which try to sell you anti-virus software. If a site was going to install a virus on your computer, it would not announce it in such a loud voice.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Right, Stevbo, it wasn't a heavy, hot section of perimeter wall and flooring coming off the burning portion of the North Tower that tore a deep gash through 18 stories in the lower floors at the SE corner of WTC 7 and set the building on fire. No no, that didn't do it. It was a Jew with a hack saw, a jug of gasoline, and a bic lighter that did it. He managed to make his way through the massive cloud of falling debris and dust and go to work on building 7.

BTW: Larry Siverstein is NOT a demolition engineer, nor was the fire commander he talked to about the situation in building 7. When he said, "pull it", he was agreeing with the fire commander who feared an imminent collapse and that the fire fighting effort inside the building was failing due to insufficient water supply. The fire commander thought it best to get the men out and Silverstein agreed. When he said, "pull it", he was referring to the fire fighting effort. IOW, pull the men out.



I used to fight fires. Fought lots of them, little ones, big ones, house fires, building fires, high rise fires, warehouse fires, car fires, oil fires, gasoline fires, wild fires, dumpster fires, white smoke fires, brown smoke fires, gray smoke fires, orange smoke fires, green and blue smoke fires, black smoke fires, and fires with combinations of smoke colors.

And you were a teacher of auto mechanics, specializing in carburetors. You tweaked those babies to get the best possible combustion inside the cylinders. You tweaked those carbs for clean burning. OK, got it. You are the Smoke Expert. You are the world's premier Fire Science Engineer. Got it.

Fire Engineering: THE ART OF READING SMOKE

ATTRIBUTES OF SMOKE: VOLUME, VELOCITY, DENSITY, AND COLOR

Volume:

Smoke volume by itself tells very little about a fire, but it sets the stage for understanding the amount of fuels that are off-gassing within a given space. A hot, clean-burning fire will emit very little visible smoke; yet, a hot, fast-moving fire in an underventilated building will show a tremendous volume of smoke. Dampened material will burn slowly and emit lots of smoke (typically a lighter color). The changes in today’s contents (low mass) can develop large volumes of smoke even though little flame is present. Volume of smoke can help set an impression about the fire. For example, a small fast-food restaurant can be totally filled with smoke from a small fire. Conversely, it would take a significant fire event to fill the local big-box store.

Velocity:

The speed with which smoke leaves a building is referred to as velocity. In actuality, smoke velocity is an indicator of pressure that has built up within the building. From a tactical standpoint, the fire officer needs to know WHAT has caused the smoke pressure. From a fire behavior point of view, only two things can cause smoke to pressurize within a building: heat and volume. When watching smoke leave the building, know that velocity caused by heat will typically rise and slow gradually after it leaves the building. Velocity caused by restricted volume will immediately slow and balance with outside airflow. If the velocity of the smoke leaving an opening is turbulent (other descriptions may include agitated smoke, boiling smoke, and “angry” smoke), a flashover is likely to occur. Turbulent flow is caused by rapid molecular expansion of the gases within the smoke and restriction of this expansion by the box (container). This expansion is caused by radiant heat feedback from the box itself-the box can’t absorb any more heat. This is the precursor to flashover. If the box is still absorbing heat, the heat of the smoke is subsequently absorbed, leaving a more stable or “laminar” smoke flow. The most important smoke observation is turbulent vs. laminar smoke flow. Smoke that is turbulent is ready to ignite and indicates a flashover environment delayed by improper air mix.

Comparing the velocity of smoke at different openings of the building can help the fire officer determine the location of the fire-faster smoke will be closer to the fire seat. Remember, however, that the smoke velocity you see outside the building is ultimately determined by the size of the exhaust opening. Smoke will follow the path of least resistance and lose velocity as the distance from the fire increases. To find the location of fire by comparing velocities, you must only compare like-size openings (doors to doors, cracks to cracks, and so on). A veteran commander of hundreds of fires once told me to find the fastest smoke from the smallest opening-that’s where the fire is. In my own experience, I’ve found this to be a pretty accurate shortcut.

Density

While velocity can help you understand much about a fire (how hot and where), density tells you how bad things are going to be. Density of smoke refers to its thickness. Since smoke is fuel-airborne solids, aerosols, and gases-capable of further burning, thickness tells you how MUCH fuel is laden in the smoke. In essence, the thicker the smoke, the more spectacular the flashover or fire spread. Smoke thickness also indicates “fuel continuity.” Practically applied, thick smoke will spread a fire event (like flashover) farther than less dense smoke. We already know that turbulent smoke is a flashover warning sign, yet thick, laminar-flowing smoke can ignite because of the continuity of the fuel bed to a flaming source. One other point regarding smoke density: Thick, black smoke within a compartment reduces the chance of life sustainability because of smoke toxicity. A few breaths of thick, black smoke will render a victim unconscious and cause death within minutes. Further, the firefighter crawling through zero-visibility smoke is actually crawling through ignitable fuel. Modern fire tests are showing that smoke clouds can ignite at lower temperatures than fires of even 10 years ago. We can thank plastics and low-mass materials for making our job more dangerous.

Color:

Most fire service curricula teach us that smoke color indicates the “type” of material that is burning. In reality, this is true only for single-fuel or single-commodity fires. In typical residential and commercial fires, it is rare that a single fuel source is emitting smoke-the smoke seen leaving a building is a mix of colors. For a first-arriving fire officer, smoke color tells the stage of heating and helps to determine the location of the fire within a building. Virtually all solid materials will emit a white “smoke” when first heated. This white smoke is mostly moisture. As a material dries out and breaks down, the color of the smoke changes. Wood materials change to tan or brown, whereas plastics and painted/stained surfaces emit a gray smoke, as a result of the mixing of moisture and hydrocarbons (black). As materials are further heated, the smoke leaving the material eventually becomes all black. When flames touch a surface, the surface off-gases black smoke almost immediately. Therefore, the more black the smoke, the hotter the smoke. Black smoke that is high velocity and very thin (low density) is indicative of flame-pushed smoke-the fire is nearby.

Smoke color can also help you find the location of a fire. As smoke leaves a fuel that is ignited, it heats up other materials, and the moisture from those objects can cause black smoke to turn gray, or even white, over distance. As smoke travels, carbon content from the smoke will deposit along surfaces and objects, which also lightens the smoke color. That leads to the question: Is the white smoke you see a result of early-stage heating or late-stage heating smoke that has traveled some distance? To answer, just look at the velocity. White smoke that has its own pressure (push) indicates distance. White smoke that is slow or lazy is most likely indicative of early-stage heating. One more important note about smoke color: brown smoke. Unfinished wood gives off a distinctive brown smoke as it approaches late-stage heating (just prior to flaming). In many cases, the only unfinished wood in a structure are the wall studs, floor joists, and roof rafters/trusses (photo 3). This can tell you that the fire is transitioning from a contents fire to a structural fire. Using our knowledge of building construction-especially lightweight structural components and gusset plates-brown smoke issuing from gable-end vents, eaves, and floor seams becomes a warning sign of impending collapse. Remember also that engineered wood products like oriented strand board (OSB) and laminated veneer lumber (LVL or U-Micro-Lam™) lose strength when heated. The glues of these products break down with heat and don’t necessarily need flames to come apart. Brown smoke from structural spaces containing OSB or LVL can indicate that critical strength has been already lost.

Knowing the meaning of each attribute helps us paint a picture of the fire. By combining these smoke attributes, some basic observations about the fire can be made before firefighters enter a structure. Compare smoke velocity and color from various openings to help find the fire’s location. Faster/darker smoke is closer to the fire seat, whereas slower/lighter smoke is farther away. Typically, you’ll see distinct differences in velocity and colors from various openings. In cases where the smoke appears uniform-that is, same color/velocity from multiple openings-you should start thinking that the fire is in a concealed space (or deep seated). In these cases, the smoke has traveled some distance or has been pressure-forced through closed doors or seams (walls/concealed spaces), which “neutralizes” color and velocity prior to exiting the building.

Black Fire

“Black fire” is a good phrase to describe smoke that is high-volume, turbulent velocity, ultradense, and black. Black fire is a sure sign of impending autoignition and flashover. In actuality, the phrase “black fire” is accurate-the smoke itself is doing all the destruction that flames would cause-charring, heat damage to steel, content destruction, and victim death. Black fire can reach temperatures of more than 1,000°F! Treat black fire just as actual flames-vent and cool.

Wind, thermal balance, fire streams, ventilation openings, and sprinkler systems change the appearance of smoke. Analyze all smoke observations in proportion to the building. For example, smoke that is low-volume, slow-velocity, very thin, and light-colored may indicate a small fire, but only if the building or box is small. This same observation from several openings of a big-box store or large warehouse can indicate a large, dangerous fire.

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Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

But a good anti-virus software program does announce such intrusions in a loud voice. Mine throws up a red flag, sounds an alarm, and identifies the threat. It even automatically eliminates or quarantines the threat.

emarine

What are trying to prove here?... the raw intelligence of a dipstick?... the photo with the lights means it getting dark... but the core is still visible, the black & white proves the transparency or open air design & not the solid blocks you block head troofers try to sell... The towers were mostly air putz & they can collapse very quickly from overloaded floor truss tabs...

larry payne selling the block theory


No high explosives putz...

amadjuster Loc: Texas Panhandle

I just figured you did it on purpose. My Virus protection caught it but thanks, anyway.

payne1000

Why is the core on the left not visible? If the core is visible it is because the core is massive. The towers being under construction means very few of the interior walls had been built. Remember those interior walls? The ones which would prevent the floors from collapsing on one another? All skyscrapers are mostly air so that statement means nothing. What does mean something is the towers weighed almost half a million tons each and most of that weight was high strength steel. High strength steel does not collapse in compression. Even if the fires in the towers had been huge instead of small and had burned all day long instead of less than 2 hours, the steel in those towers would have remained standing. The only force which has ever brought a skyscraper down is controlled demolition. The huge explosive debris clouds which formed during the collapse of both towers and the speed at which they fell proves it was explosives which brought both towers down.

payne1000

Does your virus protection software scream VIRUS! at you and play a loud siren?
What would be the purpose in that?
How would they expect you to react?
It might make you turn off the computer and lose any work you had been doing on the computer.
Legitimate virus software operates very quietly and professionally to
quarantine viruses and announce that the virus has been taken care of.

If there is a malware program which screams at you, you need to get a professional virus program.
I went back to the site which had the software scam and it was gone. Those scams have to keep moving in order to avoid prosecution.
Try it again: http://stagetecture.com/guest-blogger-how-to-choose-wood-or-metal-stud-framing-for-your-home/

payne1000

Which anti-virus software do you use?
I know you won't say because then you could be shown to be the liar you always have been.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Avast Internet Security.

payne1000

Bill Manning of Fire Engineering Magazine wrote:

Did they throw away the locked doors from the Triangle Shirtwaist Fire? Did they throw away the gas can used at the Happyland Social Club Fire? Did they cast aside the pressure-regulating valves at the Meridian Plaza Fire? Of course not. But essentially, that's what they're doing at the World Trade Center.

For more than three months, structural steel from the World Trade Center has been and continues to be cut up and sold for scrap. Crucial evidence that could answer many questions about high-rise building design practices and performance under fire conditions is on the slow boat to China, perhaps never to be seen again in America until you buy your next car.

Such destruction of evidence shows the astounding ignorance of government officials to the value of a thorough, scientific investigation of the largest fire-induced collapse in world history. I have combed through our national standard for fire investigation, NFPA 921, but nowhere in it does one find an exemption allowing the destruction of evidence for buildings over 10 stories tall.

Hoping beyond hope, I have called experts to ask if the towers were the only high-rise buildings in America of lightweight, center-core construction. No such luck. I made other calls asking if these were the only buildings in America with light-density, sprayed-on fireproofing. Again, no luck-they were two of thousands that fit the description.

Comprehensive disaster investigations mean increased safety. They mean positive change. NASA knows it. The NTSB knows it. Does FEMA know it?

No. Fire Engineering has good reason to believe that the "official investigation" blessed by FEMA and run by the American Society of Civil Engineers is a half-baked farce that may already have been commandeered by political forces whose primary interests, to put it mildly, lie far afield of full disclosure. Except for the marginal benefit obtained from a three-day, visual walk-through of evidence sites conducted by ASCE investigation committee members- described by one close source as a "tourist trip"-no one's checking the evidence for anything.

Maybe we should live and work in planes. That way, if disaster strikes, we will at least be sure that a thorough investigation will help find ways to increase safety for our survivors.

As things now stand and if they continue in such fashion, the investigation into the World Trade Center fire and collapse will amount to paper- and computer generated hypotheticals.

However, respected members of the fire protection engineering community are beginning to raise red flags, and a resonating theory has emerged: The structural damage from the planes and the explosive ignition of jet fuel in themselves were not enough to bring down the towers. Rather, theory has it, the subsequent contents fires attacking the questionably fireproofed lightweight trusses and load-bearing columns directly caused the collapses in an alarmingly short time. Of course, in light of there being no real evidence thus far produced, this could remain just unexplored theory.

The frequency of published and unpublished reports raising questions about the steel fireproofing and other fire protection elements in the buildings, as well as their design and construction, is on the rise. The builders and owners of the World Trade Center property, the Port Authority of New York-New Jersey, a governmental agency that operates in an accountability vacuum beyond the reach of local fire and building codes, has denied charges that the buildings' fire protection or construction components were substandard but has refused to cooperate with requests for documentation supporting its contentions.

Some citizens are taking to the streets to protest the investigation sellout. Sally Regenhard, for one, wants to know why and how the building fell as it did upon her unfortunate son Christian, an FDNY probationary firefighter. And so do we.

Clearly, there are burning questions that need answers. Based on the incident's magnitude alone, a full-throttle, fully resourced, forensic investigation is imperative. More important, from a moral standpoint, for the safety of present and future generations who live and work in tall buildings-and for firefighters, always first in and last out-the lessons about the buildings' design and behavior in this extraordinary event must be learned and applied in the real world.

To treat the September 11 incident any differently would be the height of stupidity and ignorance.

The destruction and removal of evidence must stop immediately.

The federal government must scrap the current setup and commission a fully resourced blue ribbon panel to conduct a clean and thorough investigation of the fire and collapse, leaving no stones unturned.

Firefighters, this is your call to action. Visit WTC "Investigation"?: A Call to Action, then contact your representatives in Congress and officials in Washington and help us correct this problem immediately. http://globalresearch.ca/articles/MAN309A.html

payne1000

I read a review of the malware in PC Mag. It didn't mention any of the red flag, loud noises you claim. Curious?

emarine

The only thing massive here is your stupidity putz... your pushing the point of sanity with your sheetrock bullshit... not all skyscrapers are mostly air putz... full frame building's are very cluttered like the empire state building... How about you dispute the welding report instead of trying to prove non structural walls are structural putz...

lightweght construction WTC


heavy steel masonary Empire state






WTC 40% less steel

amadjuster Loc: Texas Panhandle

Really? I don't think so, Larry. One bite of the apple is all I need.

I'll bet the Admin. might want to know why you are trying to spread viruses.