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May 25, 2017 20:24:53   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
tugboat wrote:
I'm all for helping those that need help.Why can't these people be taken care of in the middle east? Didn't our FBI state that there really is no way to properly vet many of these people? Aren't those same muslims escaping war wreaking havoc in Germany and Sweden? That is going to happen here when the numbers grow,count on it.All I can say is those Americans that are all for these people coming here better not say crap if someone they love is killed,raped, or terrorized.



Tug,

You do not understand what I am trying to say..

I am not at all for a flood of refugees coming into our country with no back ground checks..

At this time, unless trump has changed it, it requires up to 2 years for clearance to be given to these people. We have very strong vetting procedure.

Yes, it only needs a single terrorist to blow up the mall, shoot 50 shoppers, or drive a truck done a crowed sidewalk..

Can anyone guarantee that will never happen? No, things have happened before, they will probably happen again..

Is it worth worrying about? Not sure. We are more apt to be struck by lightning then shoot by a terrorist..

the majority of terrorist incidents we have had, are involving native born Americans..

As has been pointed out, nearly all of the refugees are in deplorable condition and have no background in any sort of militant service, let alone radical teaching.

All that said, it has nothing to do with the courts decision..

Trumps ban is unconstitutional.... End of statement...

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May 25, 2017 20:26:28   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
bahmer wrote:
What law is he not following?



Constitutional law..

That is the decision of a 13 man court..

10 to 3... Not even close..

The ban is against the law...

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May 25, 2017 20:28:59   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
markinny wrote:
supreme court!!!!!




It, or some other version of it will probably reach the SC.

At that time, whatever decision is delivered will be the law..

Until and unless that happens, the ban is not lawful and cannot be enforced..

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May 25, 2017 20:38:36   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
badbobby wrote:
so perm
what do you want?
more and more of possibly unvetted jihadists brought here
to be put on food stamps and unemployment
and when there are enough of them they establish their own Sharia law
and it's certainly possible that the USA will be like Germany,England,France
Is that what you really want perm?????


Hi Bobby,

We do not admit unvetted jihadists to this nation.

The process can require up to 2 years depending on which country they are fleeing from.

I do not know what the current procedure is to keep these people from starving, but it is far from a free ride..

Sharia law is not going to be established in the United States.. I can not quote from other nations, but in ours, no law will replace the constitution which is the law of the land.

As to what I want... I would like, as some others on OPP that more ME nations would put up care camps for the displaced war victims..

To my knowledge, only Jordan has any large scale program to help the refugees.

With war, famine and drought devastating the land, I do not think looking to those ravished, barely existing nations will be of any help with this catastrophe..

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May 25, 2017 20:44:03   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
badbobby wrote:
the values of our founders
was not to import Islamists
who will strive to either convert us to Islam or slay the infidels



BB

We all know about Jefferson and his war on the Tripoli bandits..

Yet we also had Muslims on our country, or future country even before we became the United States..

but I have to say that I do not have any idea what the view or law was on immigrants back in the beginning of our nation..

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May 25, 2017 22:09:01   #
Worried for our children Loc: Massachusetts
 
permafrost wrote:
Vern,

I keep wondering the same thing.

It does that when ever I do a copy and post, then add some cartoons..

I must be doing something wrong, but I can not figure it out..

Wish ADMIN would clear it up for me..


Perm, this has to do with the new format that admin put out a little while back. What happens with cut & pastes is that any and all words that have an apostrophe get changed to those other characters. It happens with or without pics added but more so with pics added. I think, not sure but it may also have something to do with the computer format that's on your own device and how it transitions from one to the other. A good member to ask might be Mr. Bombastic, I think he's been dubbed our computer geek, lol. See if it still happens without the pics, if so, you'll have have to go through and edit your post after you hit send, I don't think you can do it using the preview feature.

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May 25, 2017 22:10:05   #
Steve700
 
permafrost wrote:
No matter how much trump sputters and howls, stamps his feet and demands his way.

The law he and his kind want to pass is once more unconstitutional..

Will he give it up? Or will he try to do it and follow the constitution as a normal head of state would do????

May 25, 2017
RICHMOND, Va. — In a 10-3 ruling, a federal appeals court today ruled President Trump’s revised Muslim ban executive order is unconstitutional. The full Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals heard the case earlier this month.

The American Civil Liberties Union, ACLU of Maryland, and National Immigration Law Center brought the challenge on behalf of HIAS, the International Refugee Assistance Project, the Middle East Studies Association, and individuals affected by the ban.

Omar Jadwat, director of the ACLU’s Immigrants’ Rights Project who argued the case, had this reaction:

“President Trump’s Muslim ban violates the Constitution, as this decision strongly reaffirms. The Constitution’s prohibition on actions disfavoring or condemning any religion is a fundamental protection for all of us, and we can all be glad that the court today rejected the government’s request to set that principle aside.”

More information about the case is at: https://www.aclu.org/cases/international-refugee-assistance-project-v-trump
No matter how much trump sputters and howls, stamp... (show quote)

Hey Comrade, I guess knowing your shit, to you, equates to destroying America. The only way Muslim Communist Revolutionary Obama knew his shit, was his diabolical method of destroying America right under your nose without you having a clue as to who he really was and what he was doing. Of course I'm sure you like making America ripe for revolution.

You liberals need to stop getting your information about Muslims From the Muslims. Don't you know about Taquiyya, their doctrine for lying and hiding the truth about Islam in order to protect Islam and aid in its spread. Islam is every bit as much political as religious and Islamic doctrine is absolutely 100% incompatible with both democracy and our Constitution. It needs to be reclassified as a subversive supremacist ideology and outlawed in this country. But with the world being run by Marxist liberals, no one has either the guts, nor the common sense to do it. These terrorist Muslims are actually the true and devout Muslims who actually follow Mohammed's dictates and example as it is incumbent for all Muslims to do. Moderate Muslims are just those who are not that devout, don't know their religion that well and pick and choose according to their common sense and conscience what aspects of the Koran they want to accept and incorporate into their own personal belief system.

Getting your information from Muslims about Islam is like a Jew getting their information about what Nazi-ism is all about from a Nazi.

And have you no pride posting a seriously messed up posts like that first one without correcting it.



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May 26, 2017 04:43:01   #
America Only Loc: From the right hand of God
 
vernon wrote:
Your so happy that trump might have to let then in .I hope when we have our Manchester ,that these obama appointed idiots are inflecting on us
put that bomb up the crack of your ass.



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May 26, 2017 08:34:56   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Worried for our children wrote:
Perm, this has to do with the new format that admin put out a little while back. What happens with cut & pastes is that any and all words that have an apostrophe get changed to those other characters. It happens with or without pics added but more so with pics added. I think, not sure but it may also have something to do with the computer format that's on your own device and how it transitions from one to the other. A good member to ask might be Mr. Bombastic, I think he's been dubbed our computer geek, lol. See if it still happens without the pics, if so, you'll have have to go through and edit your post after you hit send, I don't think you can do it using the preview feature.
Perm, this has to do with the new format that admi... (show quote)




thanks for the information....

Good to know.. will try and make the corrections...

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May 26, 2017 08:36:22   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Steve700 wrote:
Hey Comrade, I guess knowing your shit, to you, equates to destroying America. The only way Muslim Communist Revolutionary Obama knew his shit, was his diabolical method of destroying America right under your nose without you having a clue as to who he really was and what he was doing. Of course I'm sure you like making America ripe for revolution.

You liberals need to stop getting your information about Muslims From the Muslims. Don't you know about Taquiyya, their doctrine for lying and hiding the truth about Islam in order to protect Islam and aid in its spread. Islam is every bit as much political as religious and Islamic doctrine is absolutely 100% incompatible with both democracy and our Constitution. It needs to be reclassified as a subversive supremacist ideology and outlawed in this country. But with the world being run by Marxist liberals, no one has either the guts, nor the common sense to do it. These terrorist Muslims are actually the true and devout Muslims who actually follow Mohammed's dictates and example as it is incumbent for all Muslims to do. Moderate Muslims are just those who are not that devout, don't know their religion that well and pick and choose according to their common sense and conscience what aspects of the Koran they want to accept and incorporate into their own personal belief system.

Getting your information from Muslims about Islam is like a Jew getting their information about what Nazi-ism is all about from a Nazi.

And have you no pride posting a seriously messed up posts like that first one without correcting it.
Hey Comrade, I guess knowing your shit, to you, eq... (show quote)



Steve,

You do understand that this court decision is due to the law of our nation and which we should all support and not any opinion or input from or about Islam...

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May 26, 2017 09:03:05   #
vernon
 
permafrost wrote:
No matter how much trump sputters and howls, stamps his feet and demands his way.

The law he and his kind want to pass is once more unconstitutional..

Will he give it up? Or will he try to do it and follow the constitution as a normal head of state would do????

May 25, 2017
RICHMOND, Va. — In a 10-3 ruling, a federal appeals court today ruled President Trump’s revised Muslim ban executive order is unconstitutional. The full Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals heard the case earlier this month.

The American Civil Liberties Union, ACLU of Maryland, and National Immigration Law Center brought the challenge on behalf of HIAS, the International Refugee Assistance Project, the Middle East Studies Association, and individuals affected by the ban.

Omar Jadwat, director of the ACLU’s Immigrants’ Rights Project who argued the case, had this reaction:

“President Trump’s Muslim ban violates the Constitution, as this decision strongly reaffirms. The Constitution’s prohibition on actions disfavoring or condemning any religion is a fundamental protection for all of us, and we can all be glad that the court today rejected the government’s request to set that principle aside.”

More information about the case is at: https://www.aclu.org/cases/international-refugee-assistance-project-v-trump
No matter how much trump sputters and howls, stamp... (show quote)


read your thread about how much trump loses.It's 5 26 17 a day later and and the DNC HAS LOST ANOTHER ELECTION.

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May 26, 2017 09:11:43   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
vernon wrote:
read your thread about how much trump loses.It's 5 26 17 a day later and and the DNC HAS LOST ANOTHER ELECTION.




Vern,

The tread is not about election. How did that guy in Montana win??? Never will understand... May have a look at the positions..

The point is that again, the travel ban is shut down..

0 for 3 on this ban. Is the orange guy going to stop, or will he do another rewrite???

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May 26, 2017 11:54:23   #
tugboat
 
permafrost wrote:
Vern,

The tread is not about election. How did that guy in Montana win??? Never will understand... May have a look at the positions..

The point is that again, the travel ban is shut down..

0 for 3 on this ban. Is the orange guy going to stop, or will he do another rewrite???


Honestly, it's not Trump that loses.It's any American that is hurt or killed at the hands of any radical that slips through the cracks.Atleast he's trying to protect us.Our own laws will be used against us.That scares me to death.

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May 26, 2017 12:50:25   #
America Only Loc: From the right hand of God
 
ginger wrote:
Sweetie, these people that want to come here are 1. trying to escape war...death. 2. they have been living in tents starving for years. 3. they have been vetted by homeland and the FBI for over two years. They only want to feel safe and breathe. You cannot damn a whole people because of a few.


How many do YOU have at YOUR place if you think so much of them??????? ZERO! THAT is how many. HYPOCRITE! Oh snap...you are a democrap....instant hypocrite!

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May 26, 2017 13:03:35   #
America Only Loc: From the right hand of God
 
permafrost wrote:
Vern,

The tread is not about election. How did that guy in Montana win??? Never will understand... May have a look at the positions..

The point is that again, the travel ban is shut down..

0 for 3 on this ban. Is the orange guy going to stop, or will he do another rewrite???


You like that "positions" thing...must be your Goat has you on bottom again...and again...and again.

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