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Gun owners should be strictly liable for damages caused by their guns
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May 24, 2017 15:54:00   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
lpnmajor wrote:
That's why we have laws prohibiting keeping dangerous items, like Lions, in private homes. There has to be some common sense applied every time. For example: One is more likely to die in a vehicle accident, than by any other means, but we can't ban automobiles - so we try to make them as safe as possible, enforce safe driving rules, etc.

We have had the technology to produce safe firearms for many years, but the NRA ( through Congress ) has blocked ALL attempts to make it the law of the land. There are "add on" devices that render a firearm inactive, if the owner is not the one handling it, the same is true for newly manufactured weapons. Any child ( or criminal ) gaining access to a weapon not belonging to them, cannot make it fire. Let's call this the "seat belt for firearms".

Now, if we can agree that traffic rules, seat belts, brake lights, turn signals and airbags are necessary for safety - why do we argue against such rules and devices for the #2 killer in the US, firearms?
That's why we have laws prohibiting keeping danger... (show quote)


"Strictly liable" is my problem. People whose homes get broken into shouldn't be victimized again, especially if they've taken reasonable measures to secure their homes and/or weapons.

And, since we're on the subject, going out in public in an auto is inherently dangerous to everyone around you, all the time.

That law abiding person's firearm (or TV, for that matter) isn't a threat to anyone who isn't already committing a crime. Lefties just want to get done through the courts what they can't do through legislation.

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May 24, 2017 16:35:59   #
pafret Loc: Northeast
 
Chocura750 wrote:
If someone breaks into your house and steals it and does damage with it, yes you should be liable. You should have had it secured better.



If someone steals the knives out of your kitchen and later uses them to kill and dismember someone are you liable? Stolen is stolen, it has passed out of your control; there is no way we can live in bank vaults. There is virtually no degree of home protection which will stop a determined thief from stealing your property.

The logical conclusion of your argument is that no one should have any possessions because they can all be used as weapons. A power drill to the skull, for instance. A doorstop heaved at a head or pillows used to smother someone. Everything is potentially lethal but only those things used by criminals are involved in crimes.

Are you overweight? If so you are probably responsible for children in Africa starving because you obviously ate more food than you needed. Lets put all the fatties in the country on trial and then follow them with the smokers and gum chewers. Why stop with me, someone sold me the gun so lets put him on trial as well and the distributor who sold it to him, as far back as you need to go to reach the manufacturer and designer of the gun. Then get those pesky pillow salesmen on trial as well.

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May 24, 2017 16:50:27   #
pafret Loc: Northeast
 
lpnmajor wrote:
That's why we have laws prohibiting keeping dangerous items, like Lions, in private homes. There has to be some common sense applied every time. For example: One is more likely to die in a vehicle accident, than by any other means, but we can't ban automobiles - so we try to make them as safe as possible, enforce safe driving rules, etc.

We have had the technology to produce safe firearms for many years, but the NRA ( through Congress ) has blocked ALL attempts to make it the law of the land. There are "add on" devices that render a firearm inactive, if the owner is not the one handling it, the same is true for newly manufactured weapons. Any child ( or criminal ) gaining access to a weapon not belonging to them, cannot make it fire. Let's call this the "seat belt for firearms".

Now, if we can agree that traffic rules, seat belts, brake lights, turn signals and airbags are necessary for safety - why do we argue against such rules and devices for the #2 killer in the US, firearms?
That's why we have laws prohibiting keeping danger... (show quote)


"Now, if we can agree that traffic rules, seat belts, brake lights, turn signals and airbags are necessary for safety - why do we argue against such rules and devices for the #2 killer in the US, firearms?"

Really? These Statistics from 2013 Oregonian Newspaper would indicate otherwise. Please note that in gun deaths, suicides are almost twice the homicide rate.
http://www.oregonlive.com/data/2015/10/gun_deaths_other_causes.html

http://media.oregonlive.com/data/images/2015/10/08/786_post-01.jpg

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May 24, 2017 17:18:01   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Mr Bombastic wrote:
Some people want to have every firearm have a device in the grip that scans your fingerprints before it fires. This is a bad idea since the scan takes time. When you are in a life and death situation, microseconds count. It is possible that you may be dead before the gun allows you to fire it.

I imagine the criminals gun wouldn't have the technology major wants added.

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May 24, 2017 20:27:43   #
Mr Bombastic
 
Noraa wrote:
Have a question. Does it read just one owner or can it read multiple owners? Husband and wife for example.


Just one, as far as I know.

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May 24, 2017 22:36:36   #
Chocura750
 
Suppose the gun in the hands of the owner is instantly unlocked, why not allow someone the freedom to own one. The NRA wouldn't let one be sold in the US. Talk about oppression.

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May 25, 2017 06:20:20   #
flagit001
 
Guns are not the number two killer in the U.S. They are way down on the list, that is very inaccurate to say and just a lie!

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May 25, 2017 07:20:06   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
Chocura750 wrote:
Suppose the gun in the hands of the owner is instantly unlocked, why not allow someone the freedom to own one. The NRA wouldn't let one be sold in the US. Talk about oppression.


Suppose you tell us where such a gun can be found. Or is this just a what if? (I know, it's all the NRA's fault that such guns don't already exist.)

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May 25, 2017 07:33:38   #
Buford Loc: Arizona
 
Chocura750 wrote:
A boy was shot at school by a gun brought to school by another boy. This is a reason that there should be strict liability for whatever damage is caused by a gun owner's gun. It is based on the legal principle that if you keep something inherently dangerous and it escapes, you as owner are strictly liable for any damage which results from the escape of the dangerous item. Foe example, if you keep a lion for a pet in your back yard under this principle you would be liable for any damage the lion causes if it escapes even though you have done everything you thought possible to prevent it from escaping. And likewise if someone steals your gun you will be liable for any damage done with it. I expect the number of stolen guns will dramatically decrease if this principle is in force.

http://crooksandliars.com/2017/05/kid-shot-gut-pro-gun-sheriff-charges-gun?utm_source=Crooks+and+Liars+Daily+Newsletter&utm_campaign=3458ca0751-RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_d4904be7bc-3458ca0751-330139729
A boy was shot at school by a gun brought to schoo... (show quote)


Does that mean if someone was to steal your car and hurt someone that you would be liable as well.
YOU ARE AN IDIOT

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May 25, 2017 07:45:19   #
Gatsby
 
So; if I steal a gun from a policeman, then shoot that policeman with his own gun, which he (or she) failed to effectively secure, then the (shot) policman was at fault, not poor little ol' me? Try that defence in court!

Chocura750 wrote:
A boy was shot at school by a gun brought to school by another boy. This is a reason that there should be strict liability for whatever damage is caused by a gun owner's gun. It is based on the legal principle that if you keep something inherently dangerous and it escapes, you as owner are strictly liable for any damage which results from the escape of the dangerous item. Foe example, if you keep a lion for a pet in your back yard under this principle you would be liable for any damage the lion causes if it escapes even though you have done everything you thought possible to prevent it from escaping. And likewise if someone steals your gun you will be liable for any damage done with it. I expect the number of stolen guns will dramatically decrease if this principle is in force.

http://crooksandliars.com/2017/05/kid-shot-gut-pro-gun-sheriff-charges-gun?utm_source=Crooks+and+Liars+Daily+Newsletter&utm_campaign=3458ca0751-RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_d4904be7bc-3458ca0751-330139729
A boy was shot at school by a gun brought to schoo... (show quote)

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May 25, 2017 07:46:33   #
valkyrierider Loc: "Land of Trump"
 
Chocura750 wrote:
If someone breaks into your house and steals it and does damage with it, yes you should be liable. You should have had it secured better.


And if someone steals your car and kills someone then you should be held liable. You need to rethink what you are advocating. Same goes with the butcher knife in your kitchen. You need to have this happen to you. I do believe that you are a DemocRat. Have I not rooted you out.

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May 25, 2017 07:48:40   #
America 1 Loc: South Miami
 
Secure your car, home, guns, to the best of your ability and if they are taken by theft or without you permission not your responsibility. Punish the one that takes your gun, not give them a slap on the hand. Jail them, and no less a term if they have not used the gun.

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May 25, 2017 08:15:16   #
mongo Loc: TEXAS
 
Gatsby wrote:
So; if I steal a gun from a policeman, then shoot that policeman with his own gun, which he (or she) failed to effectively secure, then the (shot) policman was at fault, not poor little ol' me? Try that defence in court!



That would be considered a suicide according to Clinton!

SEMPER FI

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May 25, 2017 09:03:31   #
currahee
 
I would make liable any politician who ran an enforced policy through Congress as well as those congressmen and women who voted in its favor and won any anti-gun law, liable for acts of terrorism. People have a right to protect themselves and personally execute any "on-the-spot" perceived terrorist or suicide bomber. As a society, we are at a point of frustration with these idiots to run them out of office. And, we should surround place like Deerborn, Michigan and begin a sweep of all Muslims who want Sharia Law over the Constitution and say nothing about their own terrorist who are hiding and laying in wait among them who will eventually do harm. Islam. the religion of "submission," is an existential threat. It has been from the very beginning. The Gorge Soros bought and paid for "fake" news media is being used to dull our senses to this fact.

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May 25, 2017 09:04:25   #
ron vrooman Loc: Now OR, born NV
 
Are you so new, you just do not have enough experience to engage in adult conversation.

Chocura750 wrote:
If someone breaks into your house and steals it and does damage with it, yes you should be liable. You should have had it secured better.

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