Gun owners should be strictly liable for damages caused by their guns
Jun 1, 2017 12:42:01 #
eagleye13 wrote:
"Not only will they NOT prevent war (in fact,... (show quote)
Preachin' to the choir bro!
I don't think ron's sense of urgency is like mine and maybe yours. Time has sped up and we need to use whatever tools we have to prevent further centralization of power in the US. The COS, JW and others are slowing this huge power grab and the forces behind them know the political opportunity is dwindling. It's easy to take pot shots at the plan of someone who's trying to make a difference, but damn hard to come up with an alternate one.
Repeal the 17th amendment. I'd settle for that...for now.
Jun 1, 2017 12:53:12 #
BigMike wrote:
What is Article V of the i Constitution? /i Get ... (show quote)
If what you're looking for is to have the Congress balance the budget and to limit congressional terms, Article VI is the solution, not Article V. Because the nation as a whole at this point in time is far too ignorant of the constitution, and they would have the potential to turn this country into our worst nightmare.
Even James Madison was fearful of a second con-con. In a letter to George Turberville, he said:
"Under all these circumstances it seems scarcely to be presumable that the deliberations of the body could be conducted in harmony, or terminate in the general good. Having witnessed the difficulties and dangers experienced by the first Convention which assembled under every propitious circumstance, I should tremble for the result of a Second."
Madison certainly did not mean that the convention part of Article V was never to be used. But he wisely knew when not to use it. The year 1788 was not a good time; and today, if anything, is far worse. Especially if you're fearful of a one world government.
Here's Article VI, let me know what you think.
http://constitution.findlaw.com/article6.html
Jun 1, 2017 13:22:42 #
Please refer to the Constitution of the united States of America.
I prefer to leave the hag in the past for now.
I prefer to leave the hag in the past for now.
BigMike wrote:
What is Article V of the i Constitution? /i Get ... (show quote)
Jun 1, 2017 14:00:20 #
Worried for our children wrote:
If what you're looking for is to have the Congress... (show quote)
No. Specifically, I'm for undoing as much of the damage done by the Wilson administration as possible.
Jun 1, 2017 14:03:48 #
ron vrooman wrote:
Please refer to the Constitution of the united States of America.
I prefer to leave the hag in the past for now.
I prefer to leave the hag in the past for now.
We can agree to disagree and see who accomplishes what first.
I prefer to leave the hag in the past, too. But the spirit behind the hag is alive, well and causing mayhem. This election changed nothing in that regard.
Jun 1, 2017 16:18:19 #
BigMike wrote:
No. Specifically, I'm for undoing as much of the damage done by the Wilson administration as possible.
Most people do not know enough political history to realize how much damage that bastard Woodrow Wilson actually did to us. He STILL has my vote for worst president.
Jun 1, 2017 16:24:09 #
BigMike wrote:
No. Specifically, I'm for undoing as much of the damage done by the Wilson administration as possible.
Gotcha, totally understandable. There's always impeachment. 👍
It's just, ever since what happened in the late 80's and early 90's, con-con talk has always made me nervous.
Jun 1, 2017 16:36:22 #
I think never is a good time for Con Con Article V.
My Article VI is different as it states the is"the" being interlined between the seventh and eighth lines on of the first page, the word "thirty being written on an erasure and so forth.
But, I use The Constitution of the United States: a transcription.
There are so many Constitutions and then the discussion about the preamble; then all "the or The Constitution of/for the u(U)nited States of America." I asked the Library of Congress for the correct transcription of the complete Constitution in use from 1819 to 1860 and couldn't get it. So I put in a FOIA request for an accurate certified correct Constitution with detail in the transcription from the hand written to the type face copy with the correct case transcribed. That was two months ago.
I want settled case law. With proof of certification.
My Article VI is different as it states the is"the" being interlined between the seventh and eighth lines on of the first page, the word "thirty being written on an erasure and so forth.
But, I use The Constitution of the United States: a transcription.
There are so many Constitutions and then the discussion about the preamble; then all "the or The Constitution of/for the u(U)nited States of America." I asked the Library of Congress for the correct transcription of the complete Constitution in use from 1819 to 1860 and couldn't get it. So I put in a FOIA request for an accurate certified correct Constitution with detail in the transcription from the hand written to the type face copy with the correct case transcribed. That was two months ago.
I want settled case law. With proof of certification.
Worried for our children wrote:
If what you're looking for is to have the Congress... (show quote)
Jun 1, 2017 16:45:43 #
true. It all plots on the bell curve. for example 3%want our Constitutional Republic! 3% want a new world order with the Rothchilds, Soros and their ilk running the show. everyone else is stung out along the curve. with 49% and 51%
on each side of the exact fence sitter. Those that don't care.
Only 3%, allegedly fought for the Revolution. there were two Vroomans a father and son from New York in my ancestory. I am a Son of the American Revolution. Persons tell me I am not party to the Constitution. Fuck off!! I am the beneficiary, One of we the people.
on each side of the exact fence sitter. Those that don't care.
Only 3%, allegedly fought for the Revolution. there were two Vroomans a father and son from New York in my ancestory. I am a Son of the American Revolution. Persons tell me I am not party to the Constitution. Fuck off!! I am the beneficiary, One of we the people.
BigMike wrote:
We can agree to disagree and see who accomplishes what first.
I prefer to leave the hag in the past, too. But the spirit behind the hag is alive, well and causing mayhem. This election changed nothing in that regard.
I prefer to leave the hag in the past, too. But the spirit behind the hag is alive, well and causing mayhem. This election changed nothing in that regard.
Jun 1, 2017 17:38:56 #
Loki wrote:
Most people do not know enough political history to realize how much damage that bastard Woodrow Wilson actually did to us. He STILL has my vote for worst president.
I always thought James Buchanan was numero uno the worst. His Obama-like leadership helped cause the Civil War.
Jun 1, 2017 18:19:57 #
Loki wrote:
Most people do not know enough political history to realize how much damage that bastard Woodrow Wilson actually did to us. He STILL has my vote for worst president.
Mine too.
Jun 1, 2017 18:23:11 #
Worried for our children wrote:
Gotcha, totally understandable. There's always impeachment. 👍
It's just, ever since what happened in the late 80's and early 90's, con-con talk has always made me nervous.
It's just, ever since what happened in the late 80's and early 90's, con-con talk has always made me nervous.
Impeachment isn't the right tool for the job. Who would we impeach? Obama? The hag?
My opinion is that the 17th amendment, in a subtle sort of way, is the most pernicious piece of legislation ever passed.
Jun 1, 2017 18:24:14 #
son of witless wrote:
I always thought James Buchanan was numero uno the worst. His Obama-like leadership helped cause the Civil War.
Slavery caused the Civil War. God saw to that.
Jun 1, 2017 18:28:10 #
ron vrooman wrote:
I think never is a good time for Con Con Article V... (show quote)
Try this one. https://catalog.archives.gov/id/1667751
You can enlarge any section of the the document, in the original text, you can clearly see that the word "for" is used. I'd be skeptical of any version using lower case, when writing the words "United States of America" - Loki could probably articulate this better than me, but the use of capitalization in that time period was, I believe, to stress importance and/or significance. You can also see below, the "u" is capitalized in the original text.
Jun 1, 2017 18:34:55 #
BigMike wrote:
Impeachment isn't the right tool for the job. Who would we impeach? Obama? The hag?
My opinion is that the 17th amendment, in a subtle sort of way, is the most pernicious piece of legislation ever passed.
My opinion is that the 17th amendment, in a subtle sort of way, is the most pernicious piece of legislation ever passed.
I meant impeach Wilson; half jokingly. I agree about the 17th. There are at least two or others I would put in that category also.
Off to play some Texas Holdem, I'll check back in with later, my friend. 👍
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