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An Open Letter to Obstructionist Fred Upton, House Representative from Michigan
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May 3, 2017 14:14:34   #
CounterRevolutionary
 
Dear Mr. Upton,
You are holding up the passage of Repeal & Replace Obamacare with a socialist stalling point:
All pre-existing conditions must be met by government regulated Health Insurance.

Truly handicapped, crippled and chronically ill citizens represent 1% of the population.
You do not put an entire nation on welfare to properly serve the 1%. Healthcare is not an entitlement.

"Welfare for the masses is the alibi of tyrants" quote Albert Camus.

Do you recall that old tale about the Spider and the Fly?
To the American public, beware of the Black Spider, the Jews name for the Nazi Party, and all its flattery spewed out to that dizzy little fly, for once you are lured into its web, that old spider will hop on you at the dinner table and eat you up.

Socialized medicine will DNA fingerprint each and every man, woman, child and fetus in the womb, sterilize you, abort you, euthanize you and accompany you in committing suicide. After all, for the government, it is cheaper to kill us than cure us, out of financial expedience and compassion, of course.

Or, Mr. Fred Upton, are you working for the United Nation's Agenda 2030, hoping to reduce the world population to a "sustainable 2 billion people"?

Mr. Upton, do not use that 1% as your mascot for misery to place an entire nation on socialized medicine. We do not want the Public Option. We do not want Universal Care, which is truly Universal Kill. We want free people and free markets.

Michele Bachmann has it right on a new Healthcare Bill: Open up Interstate Commerce.

Senator Rand Paul has a fantastic healthcare bill: The Obamacare Repeal & Replacement Act. S.222

The House already passed HR 2131, The American Health Care Reform Act.

The new American Health care Act on the table in the House today has ample resources to take care of the truly chronically ill and handicapped.

Let the House get busy and stop stalling; help the House pass this healthcare reform bill through the Budget Reconciliation Act right now.
All the insurance company campaign contributions are not going to help you come 2018!

Most Sincerely,
A Concerned American

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May 3, 2017 14:38:31   #
Progressive One
 
CounterRevolutionary wrote:
Dear Mr. Upton,
You are holding up the passage of Repeal & Replace Obamacare with a socialist stalling point:
All pre-existing conditions must be met by government regulated Health Insurance.

Truly handicapped, crippled and chronically ill citizens represent 1% of the population.
You do not put an entire nation on welfare to properly serve the 1%. Healthcare is not an entitlement.

"Welfare for the masses is the alibi of tyrants" quote Albert Camus.

Do you recall that old tale about the Spider and the Fly?
To the American public, beware of the Black Spider, the Jews name for the Nazi Party, and all its flattery spewed out to that dizzy little fly, for once you are lured into its web, that old spider will hop on you at the dinner table and eat you up.

Socialized medicine will DNA fingerprint each and every man, woman, child and fetus in the womb, sterilize you, abort you, euthanize you and accompany you in committing suicide. After all, for the government, it is cheaper to kill us than cure us, out of financial expedience and compassion, of course.

Or, Mr. Fred Upton, are you working for the United Nation's Agenda 2030, hoping to reduce the world population to a "sustainable 2 billion people"?

Mr. Upton, do not use that 1% as your mascot for misery to place an entire nation on socialized medicine. We do not want the Public Option. We do not want Universal Care, which is truly Universal Kill. We want free people and free markets.

Michele Bachmann has it right on a new Healthcare Bill: Open up Interstate Commerce.

Senator Rand Paul has a fantastic healthcare bill: The Obamacare Repeal & Replacement Act. S.222

The House already passed HR 2131, The American Health Care Reform Act.

The new American Health care Act on the table in the House today has ample resources to take care of the truly chronically ill and handicapped.

Let the House get busy and stop stalling; help the House pass this healthcare reform bill through the Budget Reconciliation Act right now.
All the insurance company campaign contributions are not going to help you come 2018!

Most Sincerely,
A Concerned American
Dear Mr. Upton, br You are holding up the passage ... (show quote)


Wow...so it is all about what YOU want....how do you feel if the majority of Americans disagree with YOU? Are you afraid that your tax dollars will help people you do not like?

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May 3, 2017 15:06:51   #
America Only Loc: From the right hand of God
 
Progressive One wrote:
Wow...so it is all about what YOU want....how do you feel if the majority of Americans disagree with YOU? Are you afraid that your tax dollars will help people you do not like?


Minus Four...we promise to make sure you get your "State Paid" COCONUT and BO bana....only if you stay in your damned ZOO where you belong....Ba Boon! NO need for you to worry about the word...TAX..you have no clue about paying taxes..you broke dick negglar!

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May 3, 2017 15:19:01   #
Progressive One
 
America Only wrote:
Minus Four...we promise to make sure you get your "State Paid" COCONUT and BO bana....only if you stay in your damned ZOO where you belong....Ba Boon! NO need for you to worry about the word...TAX..you have no clue about paying taxes..you broke dick negglar!


Again,

I understand that I am from a different area of endeavor and until you people can dialogue without insult which is not allowed in intellectual/academic environments, I realize you all are just compensating. It is like when I summarized my microprocessor interface design and assembler programming which could be considered the BIOS for the system, if any of you could have replied in a relevant, on-topic, non-insulting manner, you would have at lease demonstrated a degree of academic prowess. I was going to continue from there are describe my experience within the servomechanism and control systems realm. I was going to educate you all on Phase Locked Loops(PLL) and show you all how a integrating circuit along the lines of dv/dt can be designed using basic principles of Calculus. I have many things I can discuss with a greater degree of complexity and my Phased Array radar background afforded me the opportunity to learn things very few know. So with a EE background, being a Professor and an Advisory Consultant and showing how the curriculum from a MBA in Technology Management serves to link the technical and strategic business arenas....I don't even have to worry about peer scrutiny outside of formal evaluations. I don't have to insult and name-call to post items of substance....at all.......you can call names because that requires no skill at all but let me see you address any of the issues just mentioned in this post.

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May 3, 2017 15:53:28   #
kankune Loc: Iowa
 
Progressive One wrote:
Again,

I understand that I am from a different area of endeavor and until you people can dialogue without insult which is not allowed in intellectual/academic environments, I realize you all are just compensating. It is like when I summarized my microprocessor interface design and assembler programming which could be considered the BIOS for the system, if any of you could have replied in a relevant, on-topic, non-insulting manner, you would have at lease demonstrated a degree of academic prowess. I was going to continue from there are describe my experience within the servomechanism and control systems realm. I was going to educate you all on Phase Locked Loops(PLL) and show you all how a integrating circuit along the lines of dv/dt can be designed using basic principles of Calculus. I have many things I can discuss with a greater degree of complexity and my Phased Array radar background afforded me the opportunity to learn things very few know. So with a EE background, being a Professor and an Advisory Consultant and showing how the curriculum from a MBA in Technology Management serves to link the technical and strategic business arenas....I don't even have to worry about peer scrutiny outside of formal evaluations. I don't have to insult and name-call to post items of substance....at all.......you can call names because that requires no skill at all but let me see you address any of the issues just mentioned in this post.
Again, br br I understand that I am from a differ... (show quote)


I think that someone that has to work so hard to pretend they're so smart, is not really that smart at all.

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May 3, 2017 15:56:16   #
bggamers Loc: georgia
 
Progressive One wrote:
Again,

I understand that I am from a different area of endeavor and until you people can dialogue without insult which is not allowed in intellectual/academic environments, I realize you all are just compensating. It is like when I summarized my microprocessor interface design and assembler programming which could be considered the BIOS for the system, if any of you could have replied in a relevant, on-topic, non-insulting manner, you would have at lease demonstrated a degree of academic prowess. I was going to continue from there are describe my experience within the servomechanism and control systems realm. I was going to educate you all on Phase Locked Loops(PLL) and show you all how a integrating circuit along the lines of dv/dt can be designed using basic principles of Calculus. I have many things I can discuss with a greater degree of complexity and my Phased Array radar background afforded me the opportunity to learn things very few know. So with a EE background, being a Professor and an Advisory Consultant and showing how the curriculum from a MBA in Technology Management serves to link the technical and strategic business arenas....I don't even have to worry about peer scrutiny outside of formal evaluations. I don't have to insult and name-call to post items of substance....at all.......you can call names because that requires no skill at all but let me see you address any of the issues just mentioned in this post.
Again, br br I understand that I am from a differ... (show quote)


As long as the 1% are taken care of and there is free access to independent insurance for those who work what is the problem. I am on social security and have medicare I came off obama care and went back to work because of cost rates kept going up couldnt afford obama care. But do have a grandson who is disable and will need medical help the rest of his life . he will be able to work but must be from home due to 2 rods holding his spine straight so he is unable to drive.If you are looking for hand out and are capable of working and getting insurance through work your in the wrong country. People are getting tired of paying for the ones to lazy to get out and earn a living you'll be out of luck. This care package should be for 1% and those who are low income and their jobs do not include benifits. personal opinion and we know all about those don't we

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May 3, 2017 16:40:10   #
Progressive One
 
bggamers wrote:
As long as the 1% are taken care of and there is free access to independent insurance for those who work what is the problem. I am on social security and have medicare I came off obama care and went back to work because of cost rates kept going up couldnt afford obama care. But do have a grandson who is disable and will need medical help the rest of his life . he will be able to work but must be from home due to 2 rods holding his spine straight so he is unable to drive.If you are looking for hand out and are capable of working and getting insurance through work your in the wrong country. People are getting tired of paying for the ones to lazy to get out and earn a living you'll be out of luck. This care package should be for 1% and those who are low income and their jobs do not include benifits. personal opinion and we know all about those don't we
As long as the 1% are taken care of and there is f... (show quote)


a lot of people pay taxes for things that benefit us that we could not pay for alone. I'm willing to do the same for others....worry about what your son can get as opposed to worrying about what others should not have....priorities......

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May 3, 2017 17:57:18   #
bggamers Loc: georgia
 
Progressive One wrote:
a lot of people pay taxes for things that benefit us that we could not pay for alone. I'm willing to do the same for others....worry about what your son can get as opposed to worrying about what others should not have....priorities......


My son has footed the bill for his care since dx pays a whopping 750 a month for really good insurance so to cover ,My grandson was 14 when dr. decided he needed the surgery because his spine was curling under his lt shoulder blade and putting pressure on his heart.They opened up his back from neck to lower back repositioned his spine put holes in part of spine and put in rods to support his spine . Of course now he can not bend over and drs have told him he needs to use electric wheel chair. I bought his first a used one that looked brand new but in two years he out grew it. His surgery cost 500,00 dollars my son paid 5000 of this cost. His new chair cost 16,000 of which my son paid 2000. The goverment would not help not till he is 18 and can then apply for assist which is this year since my daughter in law died 2 years ago from the same thing and the loss of her money put a great strain on him having his son turn 18 is a blessing to him will releave the pressure. He makes to much to apply for medicaid and obama care these are the people who need this kind of goverment coverage .I personally think they should expand medicaid for the low income and the 1% with life time need the rest of us can get insurance from work or private insurance all this upset about goverment covering everyone is unrealistic and doomed to fail in my opinion. When obama care came out a lot of employers dropped their insurance and told their employee's to get obama care well guess what most did not qualify and the ones that did paid a high price for these employers greed they need to put restrictions in place to protect the employee's and to put realistic increases in place so the insurance co. can not kill people with increases. Mine went from 275 a month and jumped to 475 amonth in 6mo. I had to go back to work just for insurance

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May 3, 2017 18:14:42   #
Progressive One
 
bggamers wrote:
My son has footed the bill for his care since dx pays a whopping 750 a month for really good insurance so to cover ,My grandson was 14 when dr. decided he needed the surgery because his spine was curling under his lt shoulder blade and putting pressure on his heart.They opened up his back from neck to lower back repositioned his spine put holes in part of spine and put in rods to support his spine . Of course now he can not bend over and drs have told him he needs to use electric wheel chair. I bought his first a used one that looked brand new but in two years he out grew it. His surgery cost 500,00 dollars my son paid 5000 of this cost. His new chair cost 16,000 of which my son paid 2000. The goverment would not help not till he is 18 and can then apply for assist which is this year since my daughter in law died 2 years ago from the same thing and the loss of her money put a great strain on him having his son turn 18 is a blessing to him will releave the pressure. He makes to much to apply for medicaid and obama care these are the people who need this kind of goverment coverage .I personally think they should expand medicaid for the low income and the 1% with life time need the rest of us can get insurance from work or private insurance all this upset about goverment covering everyone is unrealistic and doomed to fail in my opinion. When obama care came out a lot of employers dropped their insurance and told their employee's to get obama care well guess what most did not qualify and the ones that did paid a high price for these employers greed they need to put restrictions in place to protect the employee's and to put realistic increases in place so the insurance co. can not kill people with increases. Mine went from 275 a month and jumped to 475 amonth in 6mo. I had to go back to work just for insurance
My son has footed the bill for his care since dx p... (show quote)


Do you people really believe profit-based insurance companies and employers are going to do more for you? I would hate to see people suffer but if they get rid of ObamaCare and insurers are allowed to do whatever people will be screaming for it again. I hate to see people learn the hard way but I hope you and everyone else get what you desire.

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May 3, 2017 20:41:36   #
Ricko Loc: Florida
 
Progressive One wrote:
Do you people really believe profit-based insurance companies and employers are going to do more for you? I would hate to see people suffer but if they get rid of ObamaCare and insurers are allowed to do whatever people will be screaming for it again. I hate to see people learn the hard way but I hope you and everyone else get what you desire.


PO1-it is unfortunate that some have pre-existing conditions and find it difficult to get coverage. However, as was
pointed out, they represent a small minority. We should form High Risk pools for those folks, separate and apart
from mainstream coverage. Those people's misfortunes are not the responsibility of the average citizen and they
should expect to pay more for their coverage. Those who can afford it should pay for their own while those with lesser incomes could be subsidized by the taxpayers with strict controls to ensure that nobody rides the gravy
train. The poor will qualify for Medicaid and will be taken care of albeit in a no-frills fashion. Why are the taxpayers subsidizing the health care coverage of people in congress who earn a minimum of 175K yearly? Obamacare is unsustainable as some States are left with one insurer who will probably be out of business this year. The fairest way is to open the markets across State lines to generate competition. Some companies will survive while others will not. Also, allow people to choose the coverage they can afford as opposed to big brother demanding that certain procedures/items be covered in every policy issued thus increasing both the premiums and deductibles. Obamacare, for those who pay full premium, is primarily catastrophic coverage because it is useless
unless a catastrophic event occurs. With deductibles ranging anywhere from 4K to 12K+ how can it even be called
insurance ? How many insured, with deductibles of even 4 to 8K will ever benefit from their insurance in a given
year ? On average, how many insured will visit their doctors often enough in a given year to use up an out-of-pocket 8K deductible? I would surmise that they will be few and far between. Two things have to be addressed
if we are to ever solve this problem: 1. The actual cost of Health Care/Procedures/Tests, etc. 2. a reasonable ,but not excessive, rate of return for the insurer. I am sure many who are more knowledgeable than I am about the
subject can think of better ways of insuring our people than the ACA. America First !!!

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May 3, 2017 21:10:29   #
Progressive One
 
Ricko wrote:
PO1-it is unfortunate that some have pre-existing conditions and find it difficult to get coverage. However, as was
pointed out, they represent a small minority. We should form High Risk pools for those folks, separate and apart
from mainstream coverage. Those people's misfortunes are not the responsibility of the average citizen and they
should expect to pay more for their coverage. Those who can afford it should pay for their own while those with lesser incomes could be subsidized by the taxpayers with strict controls to ensure that nobody rides the gravy
train. The poor will qualify for Medicaid and will be taken care of albeit in a no-frills fashion. Why are the taxpayers subsidizing the health care coverage of people in congress who earn a minimum of 175K yearly? Obamacare is unsustainable as some States are left with one insurer who will probably be out of business this year. The fairest way is to open the markets across State lines to generate competition. Some companies will survive while others will not. Also, allow people to choose the coverage they can afford as opposed to big brother demanding that certain procedures/items be covered in every policy issued thus increasing both the premiums and deductibles. Obamacare, for those who pay full premium, is primarily catastrophic coverage because it is useless
unless a catastrophic event occurs. With deductibles ranging anywhere from 4K to 12K+ how can it even be called
insurance ? How many insured, with deductibles of even 4 to 8K will ever benefit from their insurance in a given
year ? On average, how many insured will visit their doctors often enough in a given year to use up an out-of-pocket 8K deductible? I would surmise that they will be few and far between. Two things have to be addressed
if we are to ever solve this problem: 1. The actual cost of Health Care/Procedures/Tests, etc. 2. a reasonable ,but not excessive, rate of return for the insurer. I am sure many who are more knowledgeable than I am about the
subject can think of better ways of insuring our people than the ACA. America First !!!
PO1-it is unfortunate that some have pre-existing ... (show quote)


Obama said feel free to fixm it and improve it but don't kill it. He brought this rich ass country out if the stone age. No one should be uninsured, hungry or homeless in America......too rich of a country.

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May 3, 2017 21:43:06   #
bggamers Loc: georgia
 
Progressive One wrote:
Do you people really believe profit-based insurance companies and employers are going to do more for you? I would hate to see people suffer but if they get rid of ObamaCare and insurers are allowed to do whatever people will be screaming for it again. I hate to see people learn the hard way but I hope you and everyone else get what you desire.


really hate it for you but I was on obama care retired 1 yr early due to health and went on obama care till medicare came in big mistake it took obama care 5 months to double my pymts from 275 a month to 475 a month half of my s/s check had to go back to work just for insurance I felt sorry for people with family who started out at 350 and in less than a year were being charged almost a thousand it was cheaper to pay the penalty they would have to drop and hope nobody got sick so before you complain look around its not all fussy and nice out there in the real world what blew me away some people were working full time and only paying 50 bucks

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May 3, 2017 22:00:50   #
Progressive One
 
bggamers wrote:
really hate it for you but I was on obama care retired 1 yr early due to health and went on obama care till medicare came in big mistake it took obama care 5 months to double my pymts from 275 a month to 475 a month half of my s/s check had to go back to work just for insurance I felt sorry for people with family who started out at 350 and in less than a year were being charged almost a thousand it was cheaper to pay the penalty they would have to drop and hope nobody got sick so before you complain look around its not all fussy and nice out there in the real world what blew me away some people were working full time and only paying 50 bucks
really hate it for you but I was on obama care ret... (show quote)


Okay....well hopefully the GOP will destroy it,24 million will be off and insurance companies can control it all...that is what you people want but I really think many you all want 24 million to go without.....because the GOP will have everyone except the rich paying more and probably pre-existing will not count or get used up on a damn voucher..

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May 3, 2017 23:09:41   #
bggamers Loc: georgia
 
Progressive One wrote:
Okay....well hopefully the GOP will destroy it,24 million will be off and insurance companies can control it all...that is what you people want but I really think many you all want 24 million to go without.....because the GOP will have everyone except the rich paying more and probably pre-existing will not count or get used up on a damn voucher..


Nobody wants the truly needy to do without thats why I said they need to expand medicaid to include the chronic ill and poor (why) because it is already in place. Put restriction so employers so cann't dump benifits like they did when obama care started. Obama care has almost distroyed the insurance business it put the small insurances out totally and the big companys bought the rest. Now the idiots are going broke they have told the public several times they are going out of business many have already dropped out of obama care because they are losing money big surprise this is the time when the baby boomers which I'm one are retiring so you have more older people using their insurance but living longer greed will bite you in the butt so need to watch out. If it wasn't so sad I'd laugh

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May 3, 2017 23:37:27   #
CounterRevolutionary
 
Progressive One wrote:
Wow...so it is all about what YOU want....how do you feel if the majority of Americans disagree with YOU? Are you afraid that your tax dollars will help people you do not like?


Not so, Progressive One, I hope for the best health and wealth of all Americans and their freedom to choose what works best for themselves.

I do not see government healthcare as advantageous to the vast majority of Americans, whereas we only need to look to the nightmare in the European Union and its medical triage, euthanasia, and inefficiency, not to mention China's forced abortions, organ harvesting of "dissident" religious groups, or medical experimentation under the US military or the USSR military.

Furthermore, your assumption that the majority of Americans want socialized medicine is flat out wrong. We voted in Donald Trump and a Senate and House majority to dismantle Obamacare and put an end to all plans for socialized medicine or the Public Option. The vast majority of state governments are now dominated by Republican governors and legislatures. The public has made its preference for free markets loud and clear.

Today, the House compromised with Michigan Representative, Fred Upton and added an additional $8 billion dollars to fund that 1% of chronically ill, and expanded the safety net for severely handicapped citizens. So the House and Senate can now pass this generous budget on Friday.

Why do you have such a persecution complex? Nobody wishes any malaise upon you or others. This is not Hollywood, non of us are going to win any beauty contests, ya know! We are all here together working to solve problems. Just because someone disagrees with you does not mean they hate you! Why not take the time to read some of the bills I listed above to see if they have any good news. AT my age, I have read enough history to see the failings of socialism and socialized medicine, and fear it with my life - any yours, too.

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