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May 20, 2017 19:56:00   #
Homestead
 
PeterS wrote:
Our constitution isn't based on the bible and its whole purpose is to give us a means where we can make life fairer. How two consenting adults decide how to lead their lives is their own business and what your bible says about it, or someone's Koran, is totally irrelevant. We are not a theocracy and while the majority religion in this country is Christian it makes no difference when it comes to our constitution and how our country is guided by it. The constitution wasn't established to determine what is a sin but to give us the means to establish a legal system that is fair for everyone that is governed under it.
Our constitution isn't based on the bible and its ... (show quote)


Our Constitution is based in three philosophies:

1. God's law

2. The Revealed Laws of God and

3. Natural Law.

Get over it and read your history instead of trying to decide what the history is.

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May 21, 2017 04:31:13   #
PeterS
 
Super Dave wrote:
The Constitution​ has no Bill of Fairness. There is no Constitutional right to many things that SCOTUS has inserted into it.

Those that wrote the Constitution did not at any time support gay marriage, either as a right or as legal. They held Christian services in public places. Had Christian prayers before government functions.

That doesn't make homosexual sex more sinful than hetrosexual sex outside marriage, because it isn't.


So you don't think our constitution was created to make laws that were fair to everyone? Then what is the purpose of our laws? If there is no fairness then women wouldn't vote nor would blacks be free--by what would you argue that either had rights for anything? And a Christian prayer before a government function means what--that we weren't founded under a premise of equality or as a secular nation? We've also had Buddhist, Hindu, Muslim and NO prayers before government functions--what meaning do you take from that if not that we are secular? As for the constitution it doesn't say that a men and woman have a right to marry. So if it doesn't prevent men and women from marrying how could it prevent homosexuals from doing the same?

Also, what you forget is that the argument was once made that the bible made women subservient to men and called for the blackman to be slaves so if the bible can be shown to be irrelevant in regards to women and slavery why can't it be irrelevant with regards to homosexuality? As I said, we are a secular country--whatever is said in a religious text is irrelevant to our constitutional laws....

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May 21, 2017 04:35:02   #
PeterS
 
Homestead wrote:
Our Constitution is based in three philosophies:

1. God's law

2. The Revealed Laws of God and

3. Natural Law.

Get over it and read your history instead of trying to decide what the history is.

Oh I've given a good read to history and while you are correct about natural law--that and English Common law--in what text does it say the constitution is bases on Gods law and Reveled law too? Please cite your sources as I would love to give them a read...

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May 21, 2017 04:52:01   #
PeterS
 
Nuclearian wrote:
Hardly. Conservatives are for the working class, and so would Jesus be. And he wouldnt do like the dimbocraps, saying he was for the downtrodden, and then helping the rich instead.

If you are for the working class then why do you support laws that are harmful to them? The first thing that Trump did was to repeal a clean water law that allowed coal companies to start dumping coal ash into our water ways. Coal ash contains Mercury, arsenic, and lead just to name a few. How does water that contains those byproducts help the working class? And wasn't it you republicans who were responsible for Flint? You guys really don't like clean water do you? How did poisoning everyone help the working class? Do you think Jesus would be in favor of water and air that poisoned those who used them? You guys are also against minimum wage laws and unions so tell me how are low wages and no benefits good for the working class? Do you think Jesus is in favor of people being impoverished? And I could mention healthcare but we already know how you feel about that don't we.

Jesus does stand for the working class but the one thing you don't is stand for the same--and we know that simply because of your record which you've repeated over and over again!!!

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May 21, 2017 08:32:41   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
PeterS wrote:
So you don't think our constitution was created to make laws that were fair to everyone? Then what is the purpose of our laws? If there is no fairness then women wouldn't vote nor would blacks be free--by what would you argue that either had rights for anything? And a Christian prayer before a government function means what--that we weren't founded under a premise of equality or as a secular nation? We've also had Buddhist, Hindu, Muslim and NO prayers before government functions--what meaning do you take from that if not that we are secular? As for the constitution it doesn't say that a men and woman have a right to marry. So if it doesn't prevent men and women from marrying how could it prevent homosexuals from doing the same?

Also, what you forget is that the argument was once made that the bible made women subservient to men and called for the blackman to be slaves so if the bible can be shown to be irrelevant in regards to women and slavery why can't it be irrelevant with regards to homosexuality? As I said, we are a secular country--whatever is said in a religious text is irrelevant to our constitutional laws....
So you don't think our constitution was created to... (show quote)

No. Clearly not. Our original Constitution and BoR allowed Democrats to own slaves and segregate schools, which was overtly unfair.

The original Constitution and BoR gave lawmaking power to Congress with limitations. Fairness is not mentioned. Fairness was implied in later Amendments.

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May 21, 2017 10:46:25   #
Homestead
 
PeterS wrote:
Oh I've given a good read to history and while you are correct about natural law--that and English Common law--in what text does it say the constitution is bases on Gods law and Reveled law too? Please cite your sources as I would love to give them a read...


Why don't you start at the beginning and actually learn your history.

Here's a good place to start.

Hillsdale college free 10 week internet course on the founding of this country and the Constitution.

The Constitution secures your freedoms as an American.
http://info.hillsdale.edu/constitution_101_enroll?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=con101

In the meantime, here's a history book you can read.

The Five Thousand Year Leap by, W. Cleon Skousen.

Here's another book that might help wipe the stupidity out of your skull.

America's Christian History, The Untold Story by, Gary DeMar


THEN YOU WON'T HAVE TO KEEP ASKING PEOPLE TO DO YOUR HOMEWORK FOR YOU,

YOU'LL HAVE YOUR OWN SOURCES.

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May 21, 2017 11:16:15   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
PeterS wrote:
If you are for the working class then why do you support laws that are harmful to them? The first thing that Trump did was to repeal a clean water law that allowed coal companies to start dumping coal ash into our water ways. Coal ash contains Mercury, arsenic, and lead just to name a few. How does water that contains those byproducts help the working class? And wasn't it you republicans who were responsible for Flint? You guys really don't like clean water do you? How did poisoning everyone help the working class? Do you think Jesus would be in favor of water and air that poisoned those who used them? You guys are also against minimum wage laws and unions so tell me how are low wages and no benefits good for the working class? Do you think Jesus is in favor of people being impoverished? And I could mention healthcare but we already know how you feel about that don't we.

Jesus does stand for the working class but the one thing you don't is stand for the same--and we know that simply because of your record which you've repeated over and over again!!!
If you are for the working class then why do you s... (show quote)

LOL. You are such a drama queen.

Arsenic dumping permits?

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