PeterS

The bible may say what it says but since you clearly lack the ability to think critically how do you know that what it says is correct...

PeterS

So you are telling us that god is going to punish us for being sexually abused as a child?

Mr Bombastic

No. No matter what one feels, one must make a choice about giving into those feelings. The act of becoming a practicing homosexual is a sin. And I believe that everyone knows that it is wrong. It is also against nature. You can't honestly tell my that they don't realize that what they are doing is sick and perverted.

PeterS

Look, you're the one who attributed its cause to abuse as a child. Now you are saying that even though it was caused by abuse it is still a choice. If that's the case then just what does child abuse have to do with anything?

And let me ask you this--since you find it sick and perverted doesn't that tell you that it can't be a choice? After all, if it was why would anyone make it?

Mr Bombastic

You're an idiot, and I refuse to reply to you anymore.

Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA

All of God's children are tempted to sin.

I'm sure you agree it's wrong to have sex with children regardless of your sexual preference, don't you?

I want to do a lot of stuff from time to time that's wrong. It's still wrong, even if it's what I want.

The Bible never said the world is fair. Unfairness is necessary.

PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco

I would like to know why you feel unfairness is necessary.

Homestead

Did Jesus condemn homosexuality?
Exclusive: Carl Gallups points out gospel denunciations of Sodom and Gomorrah


So, did Jesus condemn, speak of, or even mention homosexuality? The one who espouses this false teaching usually begins by saying that he discounts both the Old Testament and the writings of Paul and adheres only to the four Gospels. In so doing, they think they have found a convenient way to justify the homosexual lifestyle. First, the gyrations one must use to reach this illogical conclusion are astounding and ought to be the first dead giveaway of the falsehood of the proposition. But, secondly, let’s simply examine the question on its face – did Jesus ever say anything in the four Gospels that would condemn the homosexual lifestyle or homosexual marriage?

As it turns out, yes, He did. As a matter of fact, He spoke very clearly and directly about the issue. Let me begin with Matthew 19:4. Here Jesus is answering a question from the Pharisees regarding divorce. However, his answer is very telling concerning the entire issue of sexuality, the purpose of sexuality, marriage and the proper form of marriage. Here are the words of Jesus:

“And He answered and said to them, ‘Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning “made them male and female,” and said, “For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh”?'” (Matthew 19:4)

Here Jesus upholds creation, male and female sexual relationships (in marriage), male and female marriage, procreation as a part of male and female marriage, and the sanctity of male and female marriage and sexual relationships. His answer is a blanket ignoring (thus condemnation as perversion) of anything outside God’s standard for sexuality and marriage. This truth cannot be legitimately explained away.

But, Jesus gets even more direct concerning the issue of homosexuality. In John 5:46-47, Jesus tells his detractors that unless one holds to the writings of Moses (the first five books of the Bible), one cannot fully know or understand truth or Jesus Himself. “For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me; for he wrote about Me. But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?” (John 5:46-47) Of course, in the first five books of the Bible we read of the days of Noah and Sodom and Gomorrah (Genesis) and the blanket condemnation of homosexuality as perversion (Leviticus). Oh well, so much for throwing out the Old Testament to legitimize homosexuality. But wait – Jesus gets even more direct with the matter.

Jesus also spoke of the destruction of the Sodomite (openly celebrating homosexuality) cities of Sodom and Gomorrah. (Luke 17:28-32; Matthew 10:15; 11:24; Mark 6:11.) The presenting sin that brought about the destruction of those cultures was homosexuality. Consider these words found in the book of Jude:

“Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.” (Jude 1:7-8)

Three of the four gospels contain quotes from Jesus about the sinful condition of Sodom and Gomorrah and the destruction that the celebration of the presenting sin of homosexuality wrought upon them. One of those quotes equates the sins of Sodom (homosexuality) to the same type of pervasive perversion of Noah’s day (Luke 17:26-30). So, as it turns out … YES, Jesus did speak rather forthrightly, and often, about the sin of homosexuality and the judgment that it brings upon societies that celebrate it.

But, most important to the issue is the matter of the person of Jesus. Who is He? Well, He claimed to be God with us. The Scriptures claim that He is God with us (Matthew 1:24). Even his enemies knew that Jesus was making this claim (John 10:33). So, if Jesus is “God with us,” then we have to ask, “Does God condemn homosexuality?” The answer is obvious. From Genesis to Revelation, God’s Word, homosexuality is condemned as perversion and a certain sign that God’s judgment is on the way to the culture that openly celebrates it as “normal.”

Now for the good news. Once we understand the correct and contextual biblical position in this matter, we also discover that homosexuality is not the unforgivable sin. There is hope, healing, forgiveness and salvation for anyone caught in the grips of any sinful lifestyle. Jesus extends his love and forgiveness to anyone, the Bible says, if one would repent (turn from) their sin and call upon Jesus Christ as Lord. Just like the woman caught in the act of adultery, you can hear Jesus say, “Neither do I condemn you, go and sin no more.”

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2012/08/did-jesus-condemn-homosexuality/#barEJqZP4SvhFFvZ.99

Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA

Can you imagine a world where everyone had identical lives? Identical wealth, identical looks, identical parents, siblings, neighbors, houses, toys, friends.....

The is no life without uncertainty. The uncertainty exists because of differences that aren't fair.

PeterS

I'm an idiot? Why because I posed a question you lack the ability to answer? Maybe you should duck out before it gets too embarrassing...

PeterS

Our constitution isn't based on the bible and its whole purpose is to give us a means where we can make life fairer. How two consenting adults decide how to lead their lives is their own business and what your bible says about it, or someone's Koran, is totally irrelevant. We are not a theocracy and while the majority religion in this country is Christian it makes no difference when it comes to our constitution and how our country is guided by it. The constitution wasn't established to determine what is a sin but to give us the means to establish a legal system that is fair for everyone that is governed under it.

Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA

The Constitution​ has no Bill of Fairness. There is no Constitutional right to many things that SCOTUS has inserted into it.

Those that wrote the Constitution did not at any time support gay marriage, either as a right or as legal. They held Christian services in public places. Had Christian prayers before government functions.

That doesn't make homosexual sex more sinful than hetrosexual sex outside marriage, because it isn't.

Nuclearian Loc: I live in a Fascist, Liberal State

But he also wasnt a traitor to Rome either, like the dimbo's are to the USA!

Just saying!!

Nuclearian Loc: I live in a Fascist, Liberal State

Hardly. Conservatives are for the working class, and so would Jesus be. And he wouldnt do like the dimbocraps, saying he was for the downtrodden, and then helping the rich instead.

PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco

As I have said before, these are all interpretations of what Jesus said.
And as I find is often the case, it is this writer's desire to guide our "..understand[ing] the correct and contextual biblical position in this matter" from only this position.

You are welcome to believe this, but I do not. And in any case, while I respect that there is a lot of wisdom in the Bible, I do not believe it to be the word of God.