moonbeam wrote:
My religious views are known only to myself and those with whom I practice it with. It has nothing whatsoever to do with abortion. I do not let my religious views color my feelings on abortion. I just know what it does to a young girl and, don't forget I own a research company and have vast amounts of data concerning the facts of what happens to a young girl when she gets an abortion. It does not happen that often to an older woman, and although I am against abortion at any rate, you are right, a woman has a right to make a decision for herself and if she wants one she will find a way to have one, even when a doctor takes an oath to do no harm; but a child does not. Letting a 14 yr old walk into a clinic will NOT happen in Texas anymore. All of our Pro Life Alliance work has paid off and now she MUST get permission from her parents. Do you think that is too much to ask also? We also have sickening cases on our files of 15-16 yr old girls going into a clinic with friends, getting an abortion and within hours beginning to hemorrhage. At that age your friends aren't that great. They die alone and their parents do not know what happened to them. We have cases in Texas where unidentified young girls who forensics have found to have very recently had an abortion and no one knows where or who the next of kin are. These are facts. LIVE Love from the great Republic of Texas!
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I NEVER said that parents having knowledge or being notified was not a good idea I simply state that the people you support
(republicans ) if they had their way as in Texas women would have undue burdens ( traveling hundreds of miles especially from Brownsville) put on them to get what is already legal .
You stated before that the new restrictions would just bring a clinic up to doctors office protocols which is INCORRECT and MISLEADING. The new restrictions make the clinic have hospital like protocols.
And still you refuse to discuss what to do with the unwanted children or support those mothers that can not afford the children after the birth.
So in essence it seems like you believe in making a woman have a child and then not having a support system for that very same mother and child.
Has any other way worked. I guess Reaganomics did not pull us out of deep crap. I own firearms and have a permit to conceal license. You would want to strip that right from me. Once one Constitutional right falls, the others will go like dominoes. Please excuse my ignorance on taxes. My daughter is the mathematician in the family. I failed economics in college, but since the professor liked me(not that way) he passed me with a "D." But with what little I know about taxes(besides my business and keeping the greedy government away from what I make) I do know that you cannot go one day watching TV without seeing a Geico ad with the Lizard, and about four others with that insurance company, Dish network with the kangaroo, and Warren Buffet rakes in about 2 billion a year and takes off all of his advertising out as overhead and it is just killing our debt. He pays nothing and this is truly criminal. These huge corporations which Obama supports, lets them get out of Obamacare, including Mark Zukerman(sp?) who owns Facebook and makes 7 billion dollars a year and pays not a penny in taxes. This I know is killing us. They have gotten so out of control and our current government is bowing to their every whim. I do know that much about taxes. And these people need to pay and pay big time. They take more write offs, well never mind, that is another subject for another day. How I ended up with so many of these forum emails is beyond me, but my paper on Mesopotamian Folklore has been agreed to by my student's professor to just relating that when they invented writing and on their tablets which is when we begin to be able to support the Israeli tribes, Abraham, we were able to decode in 1887, when archeology really began, I can now narrow it down to the similar stories from the Bible, like the existence of the city of Nineveh, the flood and the king Sargon have been found in a bed of reeds and found by a princess and raised in the court and became king. Sound familiar? Yeah, to me too, but it is a huge paper and I really didn't know where to start first. That country is Babylon, Sumeria, Chaldea, Ur, so many more and it is due on the 9th and as of now I have barely begun. I have only gotten through about 15 books and there is so much more work to do on it. If another student calls, I am screwed. Live Love, nice talking with ya'll. Have a nice day, Adios from deep in the heart of Texas!
jjb2012 wrote:
Moonbeam you seam to miss the point. America was built on different ideas and Congress used to work for all the people not just the ones that you agree with. The constitution is all about independent thought and rights which you and the republicans seem to want to take away.
You want corporate and big business rights but care nothing about individuals. Why is it right to give aid to profitable farmers and oilmen but take it away form the poor and the needy??
You do not bother to answer any question just repeat political rhetoric. Try just one question.
What is right about lowering taxes when there is a deficit??
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There are so many couples who are waiting desperately for a child and the process is so long, purposely, that they go to other countries like Russia and China to adopt when I am pretty sure they would like a child really quickly and an American child.
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Again you take my words and twist them to your ideology and still do not answer any question or justify how you can support people that cut the very welfare those very same mothers need to support the child after it is born.
??? Would you be willing to increase welfare payments or support a home for unwanted children if you got your reversal of roe vs wade or would you be willing to increase spending to support those mothers and their children that do not have the ability to support themselves.
You like all other republicans never answer the tough questions that are a result of your policies.
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My husband worked his fingers to the bone, starting at 16 yrs old and worked every weekend he could, holidays, and made damned good money at Boeing, Ratheon, NASA and working on the stealth fighter bomber, he died early at 39, but still had his entire lifetime's quarters in. We used to cry at the taxes they took out when he was single and it was not that much better when we got married. So I paid by my husband every cent I get for my healthcare insurance and wouldn't trade it for the world. But Obama has taken so many billions out of medicare now that I have been waiting since my operation I should have known better not to go through for a provider, since last November. My insurance has OK's it, the doctor has ordered it, I do not know what I am waiting for, I guess a Congressional Order. I am pretty well phucked up since that deal I went through and had unforeseen problems. I now have to pay a co pay to my PCP to where before I paid nothing. WE paid for every cent I am getting. They forced it out of my husband's paycheck and I damned sure don't want any more than what is coming to me by the promise of social security. Oh, yeah, forgot, they gambled all that money on Wall street and lost. No wonder it won't be around for my daughter. From Texas!
jjb2012 wrote:
Moonbeam / Moose
What was so good about our healthcare system before the ACA??
Do you realize we the insured have always paid for those willing to forgo insurance and take their chances at the emergency room??
This is the exact reason for our healthcare debacle and the only way to fix it is much like driving an automobile you should be required to have insurance. Is that not the ultimate in being responsible for oneself??
It was one of the most corrupted industries in the US. My old dentist predicted. He was both a pharmacist and a dentist and was thoroughly against advertising medications. Another way to keep from paying taxes--through commercials. Come on now, 12 dollars for a Tylenol and 40 dollars for a box of Kleenex???All Obama had to do was to look around and find the most corrupted industry and believe me he didn't have to look far. So, nationalize it he would. But he phucked up and we have long known what he was up to. why do you think that the news would not let him had a part of their day so he could gloat over the numbers that he had down to a decimal point that the day before he said he had no idea of what they were. The newscasters were just trying to do damage control before another embarrassing Obama lie was exposed. They did not want to look like asses to many more times. I guess maybe they are trying to keep their dwindling numbers from dropping even more. So Obama had to give a smaller announcement in the Rose Garden. Texas!
jjb2012 wrote:
Moonbeam / Moose
What was so good about our healthcare system before the ACA??
Do you realize we the insured have always paid for those willing to forgo insurance and take their chances at the emergency room??
This is the exact reason for our healthcare debacle and the only way to fix it is much like driving an automobile you should be required to have insurance. Is that not the ultimate in being responsible for oneself??
Issa cannot help it when they lie to Congress or take the fifth which is the same as "not wanting to incriminate themselves"--or their overseers. One example, Clapper. You need proof? Just watch CPAN which shows all of the hearings going on on the public TV that you probably own in your home. Texas!
jjb2012 wrote:
Where is that valid factual argument?? Please feel free to pick any one and make your case. Your good buddy ISSA has spent over 40 million in hearings and found exactly nothing.
I guess Reagan was much better lose soldiers in Lebanon and then run .
So kill them for their mother's irresponsibility. So many couples would support the mother, pay all of their bills and even let the real mother know their child, if they wanted. To me, that sounds like a cushy 9 months. Plus, the mother would know that she saved a life and that life went to loving people who really wanted a child. On any day, On any second, couples even want to pay girls to get pregnant just in order to have a child for them. And that money is damned good. So by saying it would be too hard and expensive for a poor mother loses ground for all of the free medicaid they get, free doctor's visits, free this free that, as long as you say you don't know who the father is, you live a pretty damned good life for that 9 months. And the added knowledge that you gave that child life instead of death because it would be a hardship on the mother. In my way of thinking, she could really make a million by making a business out of it. Retire early to the Hamptons and paid all by the parents of your child(ren). Now that is what I call LIVE LOVE!
jjb2012 wrote:
I NEVER said that parents having knowledge or being notified was not a good idea I simply state that the people you support
(republicans ) if they had their way as in Texas women would have undue burdens ( traveling hundreds of miles especially from Brownsville) put on them to get what is already legal .
You stated before that the new restrictions would just bring a clinic up to doctors office protocols which is INCORRECT and MISLEADING. The new restrictions make the clinic have hospital like protocols.
And still you refuse to discuss what to do with the unwanted children or support those mothers that can not afford the children after the birth.
So in essence it seems like you believe in making a woman have a child and then not having a support system for that very same mother and child.
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moonbeam wrote:
Has any other way worked. I guess Reaganomics did not pull us out of deep crap. I own firearms and have a permit to conceal license. You would want to strip that right from me. Once one Constitutional right falls, the others will go like dominoes. Please excuse my ignorance on taxes. My daughter is the mathematician in the family. I failed economics in college, but since the professor liked me(not that way) he passed me with a "D." But with what little I know about taxes(besides my business and keeping the greedy government away from what I make) I do know that you cannot go one day watching TV without seeing a Geico ad with the Lizard, and about four others with that insurance company, Dish network with the kangaroo, and Warren Buffet rakes in about 2 billion a year and takes off all of his advertising out as overhead and it is just killing our debt. He pays nothing and this is truly criminal. These huge corporations which Obama supports, lets them get out of Obamacare, including Mark Zukerman(sp?) who owns Facebook and makes 7 billion dollars a year and pays not a penny in taxes. This I know is killing us. They have gotten so out of control and our current government is bowing to their every whim. I do know that much about taxes. And these people need to pay and pay big time. They take more write offs, well never mind, that is another subject for another day. How I ended up with so many of these forum emails is beyond me, but my paper on Mesopotamian Folklore has been agreed to by my student's professor to just relating that when they invented writing and on their tablets which is when we begin to be able to support the Israeli tribes, Abraham, we were able to decode in 1887, when archeology really began, I can now narrow it down to the similar stories from the Bible, like the existence of the city of Nineveh, the flood and the king Sargon have been found in a bed of reeds and found by a princess and raised in the court and became king. Sound familiar? Yeah, to me too, but it is a huge paper and I really didn't know where to start first. That country is Babylon, Sumeria, Chaldea, Ur, so many more and it is due on the 9th and as of now I have barely begun. I have only gotten through about 15 books and there is so much more work to do on it. If another student calls, I am screwed. Live Love, nice talking with ya'll. Have a nice day, Adios from deep in the heart of Texas!
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Moonbeam
Ok now we are getting somewhere. First I am a hunter and gun owner my entire life , I have bought and sold guns at gun shows and personally in the family and see absolutely no reason why simple background checks at the very least should not be instituted.
Taxes from 1940 to 1979 the top tax rate was never lower then 60% and from 1960 to 1978 it was never under 70%.
In 1978 I paid 70% tax on every dollar after 200,000 and was living very well. If you adjust that number for inflation it would be over 650,000 today. We need not go all the way back to 70% or even 60% but maybe 50% for a time until we get the deficit under control.
You brought up Buffet but at least this wealthy man supports a minimum of 35% on the wealthy not the current 14% he and most other wealthy currently pay.
I do not want any progress from 1930 to today fooled with we as a people did pretty well through all those years. Workers , the environment , and business were all doing fine. The "greed is good" and "what is in it for me" mentality are what is wrong with this country today.
We need to return to doing what is right and not what is the most profitable. I ran a business for over 30 years and even though I ran a union shop I still had a profit sharing plan for my employees.
I never found the need for more then one vacation home , driving the most expensive foreign cars , or purchasing anything not made here.
Hope you can find something in there you can agree with
Unlikely as it may seem to appear, I see everything right in what you are saying. The greedy corporations are bringing the entire nation down. This is the reason that although it may cost me a little more, my printers, my suppliers, are all Ma & Pop companies, who need a little more help these days since the strip malls have sunk in so deep. Live Love from the great Republic of Texas!
jjb2012 wrote:
Moonbeam
Ok now we are getting somewhere. First I am a hunter and gun owner my entire life , I have bought and sold guns at gun shows and personally in the family and see absolutely no reason why simple background checks at the very least should not be instituted.
Taxes from 1940 to 1979 the top tax rate was never lower then 60% and from 1960 to 1978 it was never under 70%.
In 1978 I paid 70% tax on every dollar after 200,000 and was living very well. If you adjust that number for inflation it would be over 650,000 today. We need not go all the way back to 70% or even 60% but maybe 50% for a time until we get the deficit under control.
You brought up Buffet but at least this wealthy man supports a minimum of 35% on the wealthy not the current 14% he and most other wealthy currently pay.
I do not want any progress from 1930 to today fooled with we as a people did pretty well through all those years. Workers , the environment , and business were all doing fine. The "greed is good" and "what is in it for me" mentality are what is wrong with this country today.
We need to return to doing what is right and not what is the most profitable. I ran a business for over 30 years and even though I ran a union shop I still had a profit sharing plan for my employees.
I never found the need for more then one vacation home , driving the most expensive foreign cars , or purchasing anything not made here.
Hope you can find something in there you can agree with
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moonbeam wrote:
Unlikely as it may seem to appear, I see everything right in what you are saying. The greedy corporations are bringing the entire nation down. This is the reason that although it may cost me a little more, my printers, my suppliers, are all Ma & Pop companies, who need a little more help these days since the strip malls have sunk in so deep. Live Love from the great Republic of Texas!
Moonbeam
This is exactly why I ask so many questions and look for your answers. 9 times out of 10 Americans want the same things but the 2 parties play on our biggest fears to keep us divided.
I am in favor of the laws on the books mainly because they are already a compromise between to diametrically opposed agendas. The pro business , pro worker and the pro life and pro choice argument has been basically split 50 / 50 for 3 decades.
Most Americans are in favor of helping the poor we just want abuse and fraud stopped so let us find a way to eliminate fraud without hurting those in need.
No proof of any harm coming to any women in an abortion clinic? What about that guy that had arms, legs, in jars? Blood drainage from at least 10 women on the same table. While one woman was out, another would be put right beside her. He is in jail now. I know, I know, these are rare cases--the ones we hear about. But just the other day 3 nurses from a PPH witnessed against the abortionist from their own clinic (these were pro choice women) about the girls known from testing as having STD's and other diseases not being told. Of course his clinic was closed down and he had had numerous citations in the past. It took a lot for these women to come in against the man they worked for, but it was just, as one woman said,"way too gross." I know these are just a handful of cases, but only the ones we know of. What about the abortionist who was also taking kidneys out of their patients and selling them to those people that needed kidneys? Again, one in a million, yet how do we know? And again, the damage done to the younger ones, that is the worst. One decision could change the course of her entire life. And also it has been researched over and over again that women who have had abortions are 36 times the national average to get breast and ovarian cancer later in life. You just don't mess with a child's productive organs especially if they are already in a state of bearing a child. Especially a young girl. Those are the one I am advocating for. Older women make up their own minds and maybe able to live with their choices, but the young and vulnerable? No way, not in America. Can you tell me that in your estimation a 14 yr old girl knows her own mind? Can make an informed decision which is most of my researched cases and private research with young girls, their boyfriends are the ones that want the girl to have the abortion. If it were up to 76% of the young girls having abortions, they want their child, it is their boyfriends who convince them otherwise. Live Love from the great country of Texas! [quote=jjb2012]
moonbeam wrote:
I am so proud of my state today. In the Texas Supreme Court, we finally stopped abortions after 20 weeks, made the abortion clinics get up to at least doctor office protocols where they to invasive procedures and not only to veterinary clinic standards. And the people of the Rio Grande Valley said that this would hurt poorer women who have no means of transportation. The judge didn't buy it. So the closet one is in Corpus Christi and they they are going to close because they say the "updates" wold be too expensive. Also, they have to do it hospital settings. so If anything goes wrong--as it did with me--they are there and not miles away. Hooray for Texas!quote=jjb2012]MOONBEAM
Moonbeam your are living in an alternate reality. The standards abortion clinics have been subjected to are not those of a doctor office protocols but of a hospital surgery protocol when there has been no proof of any harm coming to any woman in the clinic. Now women in more then half your state would have to travel 400 miles to get service. Hardly equal access.
To bad for WOMEN in Texas
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jjb2012 wrote:
MOOSE
Again feel free to be specific on what Obama has done that is any different then what George or any other republican has done in the last 50 years.
Just saying he decimated everything does not make it so.. If you have a valid argument make it.
He has forced a healthcare program on America Obamacare that is a disaster to the working people.
He has decimated our military by firing all the top generals and replacing them with men who take his orders.Our enemies know this and why do you think Putin is doing what he is doing.They know Obama is a very weak president.
92 million people are out of work and cant find work.The people who are working are getting their hours cut from 40 hrs to 30 hrs.because of Obamacare.
Cant you liberals see what this monster is doing to our country? He has no regard for our Constitution and treats it like it is a piece of toilet paper.
He has abused his executive powers.He doen't make the laws,Congress does.He should have been impeached a long time ago,but for the democratic majority in the Senate.
Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi should be impeached for impersonating politicians.
You see how Obama treated our veterans last year when he put up barriers so they couldnt see their love ones.
He is not an American and they need to bring it up again and make him show proof and not a piece of paper from Hawaii. He is a fraud,a liar and is set on taking this country down.
His ideas are that of Sol Alinsky.He wants a National Healthcare system when all these yrs.we had the best.He has done absolutely nothing for the economy or for the American people.
He is living the life of Riley and spending money like a drunken sailor.Your grand children and mine will have it very bad. He is printing money without having gold to back it up.What is the dollar worth now? A quarter? The more he prints the dollar lessens each day. He is a phony and we the American people cant wait to get his ass out of office without more damage to our country
We all know why he hasnt been impeached now dont we.He and Holder use their race because they are racists.
We are living in a Crow Jim Era
moonbeam wrote:
No proof of any harm coming to any women in an abortion clinic? What about that guy that had arms, legs, in jars? Blood drainage from at least 10 women on the same table. While one woman was out, another would be put right beside her. He is in jail now. I know, I know, these are rare cases--the ones we hear about. But just the other day 3 nurses from a PPH witnessed against the abortionist from their own clinic (these were pro choice women) about the girls known from testing as having STD's and other diseases not being told. Of course his clinic was closed down and he had had numerous citations in the past. It took a lot for these women to come in against the man they worked for, but it was just, as one woman said,"way too gross." I know these are just a handful of cases, but only the ones we know of. What about the abortionist who was also taking kidneys out of their patients and selling them to those people that needed kidneys? Again, one in a million, yet how do we know? And again, the damage done to the younger ones, that is the worst. One decision could change the course of her entire life. And also it has been researched over and over again that women who have had abortions are 36 times the national average to get breast and ovarian cancer later in life. You just don't mess with a child's productive organs especially if they are already in a state of bearing a child. Especially a young girl. Those are the one I am advocating for. Older women make up their own minds and maybe able to live with their choices, but the young and vulnerable? No way, not in America. Can you tell me that in your estimation a 14 yr old girl knows her own mind? Can make an informed decision which is most of my researched cases and private research with young girls, their boyfriends are the ones that want the girl to have the abortion. If it were up to 76% of the young girls having abortions, they want their child, it is their boyfriends who convince them otherwise. Live Love from the great country of Texas!
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I will NEVER protect anyone doing anything you have mentioned above. I already stated I have no problem with parental notification and have no problem with standards of a doctors office being met but when you push things so far that women in remote areas are subject to illegal methods to take care of either unwanted pregnancies or downs-syndrome babies and want an abortion which is legal and approved by the the Supreme Court they should not be stopped from the service they would like.
We can argue legalities all night the fact is abortion is legal and unless you are willing to help those mothers that can not take care of the children they are forced to birth due to a reversal of roe vs wade you are a hypocrite. When faced with either being born or starving which would you choose??
Are you kidding, the minute they become pregnant the governent pays for everything including their chewing gum. Live Love from Texas. Glad you don't care for any of the young children's children being killed. These young kids stand a good chance of sterility of worse as I did. That gives me a little hope for you. Good night, From deep in the heart of Texas!
jjb2012 wrote:
I will NEVER protect anyone doing anything you have mentioned above. I already stated I have no problem with parental notification and have no problem with standards of a doctors office being met but when you push things so far that women in remote areas are subject to illegal methods to take care of either unwanted pregnancies or downs-syndrome babies and want an abortion which is legal and approved by the the Supreme Court they should not be stopped from the service they would like.
We can argue legalities all night the fact is abortion is legal and unless you are willing to help those mothers that can not take care of the children they are forced to birth due to a reversal of roe vs wade you are a hypocrite. When faced with either being born or starving which would you choose??
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