Never try to argue facts with a liberal.. (Page 2): More like the progress against reaction. History has always had a two step forward one step back quality to it. You are the...

working class stiff Loc: N. Carolina

kankune wrote:

FORCE....very good word. You can count on it. Apparently sitting down and talking this thing out like adults is not working. Logic and evidence against speculation and emotion!!

More like the progress against reaction. History has always had a two step forward one step back quality to it. You are the reaction, and you usually have to use force to hold back or undo progress. It succeeds for a while. Progress however usually wins in the end. That's why we're in an age of computers in your pocket instead of fire outside the cave.

As for 'you can count on it'...I never doubted it. I listen to you guys. But logic and evidence tells me that progress will win, and that reactionary force depends on emotion (mainly fear) and speculation (alternate facts).

Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton

tdsrnest wrote:

Right wing on OPP are not interested in a common sense discussion there great at insults.
I was called an idiot because I disputed a right winger on OPP that all Obama had to do to correct the Bush recession was do exactly what Bush was doing for 8 years. Wow and I am an idiot

I wasn't in on that discussion, but the idea that a US President has any economic control beyond government spending and business regulation is frankly ludicrous. All any government can do in a free market is buy and sell, just like any other participant. The economic problem for government is that they produce exactly zero and therefore are obliged to extract funds from the actual producers in order to buy anything. This is called taxation, and takes several forms:

The first, and most 'old-fashioned' way, is to strong-arm funds from the populace by the use of threats and coercion. This is only truly effective against an unarmed populace, for obvious reasons. It is open to widespread fraud, mostly perpetrated by the 'collectors', and is highly inefficient.

The second, and somewhat more modern way, is to attach a percentage levy to certain business transactions. These may be external, as in import taxes, or internal, as in sales taxes. Both rely on honest record-keeping as a prerequisite, and are difficult to enforce. They do, however, reduce the target population to those business owners who are either in import/export or retail operations, and therefore are more efficient than robbing the general public at gunpoint.

The third, and most effective, efficient and controllable, is to create money out of thin air, and spend it into the economy where it reduces the buying power of the currency already in existence. This is a relatively modern phenomenon and is called the inflation tax. The main requirement in setting up such a system is a monopoly central bank, backed by legal tender laws that force the populace to accept this fiat money in payment, such as exists in the contemporary United States. This removes the impediments seen in the first two methodologies, and is applicable to anyone unfortunate enough to be in possession of the currency being inflated; in other words, the entire populace, men, women, and children. This is much more than a simple tax on 'profits'. It is an insidious devaluation of the currency, affecting all modes of commerce, but not all equally:

Savings are devalued over time at whatever rate the currency is inflated by. A saver who sets $1 per year aside in savings will be unable to maintain purchasing power of that dollar after the 25th year because of the 4% (under 'normal' circumstances) rate of currency inflation, and in the 26th year, will be losing purchasing power unless the rate of saving is increased by 4% per year to keep pace with inflation. That is just to maintain the same purchasing power. It is a fact that $1 now will buy the same things that less than 4 cents could buy in 1913. Not one person in 1000 is able to come to the understanding of how this system is not only sapping their business endeavors, but is also siphoning away their savings, and that's how they get away with it.

So, no, you're not an idiot. Whoever told you that is the idiot for not understanding what you were saying. You are, however, seriously misled in your understanding of the mechanisms of government and its effects on the wider population. Hope this helps to remedy that.

padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al

working class stiff wrote:

More like the progress against reaction. History ... (show quote)

Recorded history BC Rome, records garbage collectors going on strike for higher wages and a building contractor being sued for using substandard building materials. Progress in technology will never correct the free will choices of fallen humanity.

JimMe

tdsrnest wrote:

Right wing on OPP are not interested in a common sense discussion there great at insults.
I was called an idiot because I disputed a right winger on OPP that all Obama had to do to correct the Bush recession was do exactly what Bush was doing for 8 years. Wow and I am an idiot

You don't like it when a Right Winger on OPP calls you an idiot... But we Right Wingers had your Left Winger Presidential Candidate, Hillary Clinton, call us Deplorable... On balance, it's the Left Wingers who "... are not interested in a common sense discussion..."

Also, I want to tell you what happened one time when I was 15 years old... I did something that my father saw as offensive, and he told me, "Stop acting like an asshole!" And I immediately responded with, "How can you call me an asshole? I'm your son!" And he calmly replied, "I didn't call you an asshole... I never think of you as an asshole... I said 'Stop acting like an asshole!' and I said that because I know you're not, so, don't act like one!"

So, when I tell you you're not an idiot, that doesn't mean your statements weren't idiotic...

vettelover Loc: Richmond Va

working class stiff wrote:

Geez louise, you guys are a bunch of whiners. Her... (show quote)

Disagree - First of all, to the financial elites, there is NO left versus right. Republicans vs Democrats is created to give the peasants an illusion of choice. Conservative Americans DO NOT control the wealth of the country. Seven of the eight wealthiest business owners (I am not including the leftist Zionist bankers in this comment) are Leftist. From Bill Gates, Warren Buffet to Bezos. You have fallen prey to the leftist propaganda who controls the money in this country. The MSM has conditioned you to this lie. The entire western world central banking system (including our privately owned Federal Reserve) is controlled by the left. Look it up!

As for the military, I would not completely disagree with you. Under the last eight years of Obama, his administration purged just about every Constitutional loving General, Admiral and other high ranking officers from our four military branches until he found subservient officers who would play by his political correct communist ideology. It was under Obama the DOJ, DHS and other government ranked authorities were able to newly BRAND all right wingers as "Domestic Terrorist", AND YET, its the LEFT WING (especially the black leftist zombies) that is assaulting citizens, vandalizing property and giving death threats to their political opposition. WATCH: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uY1dhbQ5xm8

Right wingers are mere amateur's when it comes to domestic disobedience, the destruction of property, voter fraud, corporate fraud and especially political fraud and corruption. The GOP can't even sit in the same room with the Dems when it comes to this!

GmanTerry

America Only wrote:

I must bring up this many times...it really will continue to such a point when the United States will see no other resolve or solution...the left is our enemy, against all of our freedoms. They are our enemy as much as any enemy the USA has ever known. It will be our biggest war unless the choice of extermination takes place. With each passing month, the left digs into more violence, corruption, murders, cover ups, thefts lies and rapes. This has to come to a complete halt. And it will.

We are hanging on by a thread. If HilLIARy had won, we, as a nation, would be gone. She would have opened the borders and given citizenship to all the illegals. The Demmunists then would have had the majority to control two branches of government for at least a generation if not forever. Those two branches, of course, are the Presidency and the Supreme Court. The Constitution would become the Left's beloved "Living Document", that means just what the Demmunist party wants it to be. There is a procedure to change the Constitution, however, the Left prefers to do it by judicial fiat. I still believe that all we have done is postpone the socialist, communist takeover of the United Stats of America.

Semper Fi.

Louie27 Loc: Peoria, AZ

working class stiff wrote:

More like the progress against reaction. History ... (show quote)

Well, sad to say, with Obama we took five gigantic steps backwards as for being a free country that is free from racism and civility.

working class stiff Loc: N. Carolina

Louie27 wrote:

Well, sad to say, with Obama we took five gigantic steps backwards as for being a free country that is free from racism and civility.

Nope, not Obama's fault. Our history was never free of racism and incivility:

http://www.howardsmead.com/why_we_americans_are_so_violent.htm

ghostgotcha Loc: The Florida swamps

working class stiff wrote:

Nope, not Obama's fault. Our history was never free of racism and incivility:

http://www.howardsmead.com/why_we_americans_are_so_violent.htm

Remember Kent State?

goofball Loc: timbucktoo

ghostgotcha wrote:

Remember Kent State?

I remember it well! It stopped rioting in the 60s!

padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al

goofball wrote:

I remember it well! It stopped rioting in the 60s!

We need a Kent State at Berkley to begin with and, to use a Progressive term, move forward from there. That may seem a little bit extreme but in a war use superior force.

Docadhoc Loc: Elsewhere

tdsrnest wrote:

Right wing on OPP are not interested in a common sense discussion there great at insults.
I was called an idiot because I disputed a right winger on OPP that all Obama had to do to correct the Bush recession was do exactly what Bush was doing for 8 years. Wow and I am an idiot

You were called an idiot because you behave like an idiot. You know the old sayng. You made your bed...........

Docadhoc Loc: Elsewhere

working class stiff wrote:

Geez louise, you guys are a bunch of whiners. Her... (show quote)

It's frustrating to know that throwing all of you leftys out of America would be considered not friendly.

Airforceone

vettelover wrote:

EXACTLY RIGHT! Prepare spiritually, physically, m... (show quote)

NOT SURE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BUT TELL ME WHY A LBGT, FEMINIST, UNIONS WOULD NOT COME OUT AGAINST THE RIGHT WING THEY HATE EVERYTHING THEY STAND FOR. WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT WHEN YOU ANARCHIST DO YOU KNOW WHAT IT MEANS AND GIVE ME AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

Airforceone

Docadhoc wrote:

You were called an idiot because you behave like an idiot. You know the old sayng. You made your bed...........

Will you stop you're BS