WWII and Desert Storm were the last times we had the Moral High ground even if some think Saddam should have been taken out at that time. I've never served in the military but I can say without equivocation, if I or a member of my family were go to war, I would be desperate to know that our cause was truly just - not some damned socioeconomic BS about dominoes or the egotistical hubris of spreading "democracy" where it isn't wanted! Even worse than these is the "murder them for threatening us" policy. I may be idealistic but, I would much rather see this great country take a hit first, then go after the nation or group with all due dispatch and fury. Collateral damage would end up being the best impetus for harboring nations to take care of their own dirty garbage, next time! That is what you want to put into the hearts and minds of those who would allow "terrorists", for just one example, to roost inside their boarders.

The loss of Extortion 17 was the direct result of policies that are banal and disloyal to those who will give their very lives for, as it too often turns out, each other because the cause is so much less than just, if discernible at all. With the rules of engagement that were enacted in the last 5 years, our military has been effectively hampered from being able to perform this most basic of duties on the battle field - So, we no longer win wars. OK... I guess. But now we're constrained from properly supporting our brothers at arms as one hand is tied behind their back even as they fly into harms way! Bloody nonsense. And, We the People are allowing this to continue as we type.

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Not ONE american military life should be lost through the misguided policies of appeasement - ever. The Military Commanders know that their best, highest use is to defend our Nation through all means necessary when on our shores. When in the battlefields of other lands, their best highest use is to destroy, defeat, punish and neutralize the enemy along with ALL who would allow the "enemy" to flourish or find safe haven - period. Let politicians sacrifice their own lives to win the hearts and minds of all who remain if that makes them feel any better.

The loss of these lives in the manner that they were lost, is perhaps the biggest disgrace to the "Politicians" securing our defeat in our entire history. Of course that's if there wasn't something even more sinister involved. Regardless, not one parent should ever have had to give up a single child to the senseless policies of the past 65 years. Even what may have been otherwise worthy causes were rendered senseless in their prosecution by feckless and unprincipled, game playing politicians.

Me too. Most of us who are over 50 (I'm 62) are sitting in astonishment at what we are now tolerating from every sector of the "governing" class. It makes me believe that there is something sinister at work that makes all of this possible. There is, actually, but it may be no more complicated than a systematic dumbing down of the citizenry. We are loosing our local Police as servants of the community as they are being co-opted into a new Police State - and on and on it goes.

Wouldn't you agree; we are being outnumbered by punks. Punks? Yup -these are people who don't care about YOU. They will do their job even if it means running over their neighbor.

We take back our community - one neighborhood at a time. A good place to start would be by getting to know your neighbors. And, defending them against the new militarized Police state. We must stop looking at the violations of other peoples rights as just their "bad luck"! We the People are practicing absentee ownership of our own country.

The Felonies associated with O-Care are impacting a very large portion of our country - but not us - YET. Principle must govern our actions or we will allow anything as long as it doesn't directly affect us. This detachment will be our undoing.

Absolutely true - when all sides are honest, informed brokers. But I'm conscious of the fact that too many of us have not been schooled in a code of ethics and morality that has it's authority in unadulterated Christian "Law". What we are negotiating too often, is relative harm. Think of how often we are presented with false premises and then forced to address them with flawed solutions; solutions that have "unintended" consequences that echo throughout society for decades, if not millennium?

I'm coming from a perspective these days that is more and more inclined to actually believe that it is beyond our control anymore. Too many of us who even modestly consider ourselves semi-informed, are much, much too often, completely in the dark with regard to reality. True evil is almost always well camouf**ged. It masquerades as GOOD!

I fear that even the best intentioned of us will choose incorrectly the wrong issue on the wrong side and at the worst possible time. I say this because there is One who will fix all of this when it suits His purposes, regardless of our puny, misguided efforts.

Well, having shared all that simple minded tripe - we are all, those of us who can still speak to one another with any kind of respect, learning from the exchange. Meantime, we do well to be aware and guarded against moral relativism, situational ethics, feel good solutions and the risk of drowning in a sea of lies.

One thing seems evident: Greed unites evil, but that which might be considered "good", is disjointed and dispersed to the point of complete ineffectiveness by fear, indecisiveness and lack of faith. As for me; I am the poster child for this dilemma!

Regards!

An offer of proof supporting the statements made above - http://www.wnd.com/2013/11/is-obama-leading-america-into-c*******m/

What I've read of the recent thread on this subject indicates thoughtful honest exchanges. But let me please throw a wrench in it: If you accept and believe that Evil does exist, then Compromise with evil is a red hearing. The one doing the compromising for the sake of getting something done, is only being subverted just a little more each time it comes time to compromise - which might be exactly why we are where we are today! The moral compass associated with the Natural Law and the Laws of Nature, if you will, has been discarded, leaving the door open to all "reasonable" compromise. This will not stop until the full measure and fury of Nature's Law has broken the backs of all who would compromise (inch by inch) their Liberty, Freedom, wealth and respect for LIFE, both present and future, completely away. Just sayin'

I would expect sanity from Levin - I must get this book.
I have long felt that the power of the states, though temporarily curtailed to large degree, will, if used correctly, be a very effective force for meaningful push-back - perhaps the best. Frankly, I'm woefully bereft of knowledge about the mechanisms available to states beyond the courts and those they send to Washington - No wait, they lost that power! Senators are elected by popular v**e now. Hmm - that wasn't too smart now was it.

So what other ways can states get it done without having to fight (literally) a federal government that is truly out of control?

I h**e to say it - but apart from demonstrations illustrating how much support a movement has on TV every night - You know, the way the Tea Party, the Bikers, the Truckers and the Vets were covered by mainstream media (NOT), I think those in power merely smirk and muse about how quaint it all is.

Now, Red State Governors and Blue State Patriots might be able to put something together that everyone will pay attention to with the proper respect and maybe, though wishfully, some healthy fear.

Additional thought: The Tea Party and other groups like http://www.judicialwatch.org/ ARE doing something - find them, support them financially. The Love of money may be the root of all evil but it is the live's blood of all the efforts to recover from the past 100 years of progressive oppression. Now, the question may be "how much is all their effort worth". Quantify it and send it. That will insure that those who have already entered the fight won't run out of gas or loose momentum. Not too complicated. Remember, George Soros is funding hundreds of anti-american organisations. The People need to meet this challenge with purpose and treasure.

In the end, I am certain - if God allows us to fall or He saves us for another go at it - His will, will be done. Meantime, let us do what we can - as we try not to loose sight of just who is, in fact, in charge - cause He'll do the rest, you know...What we can't do.

Would not this be a most dangerous time to open up a Constitutional Convention? Seriously, wouldn't we be better served if we saw if the Constitution, as it exists now, could be used effectively in curing the cancer we are fighting, before opening up the patient to even greater peril? Just asking - after the last e******n and the "Roberts" betrayal, I have little faith in the wisdom of tinkering with what is a miraculous and powerful document that isn't being used in its present form.

Nancy, that is the primary issue - what do we actually DO. As I've shared on this site before - I can be mislead! So, being informed from many sources is essential but not the main thing. Action is required. Gods Speed!

All "Republican" Progressives as well as the more obvious Liberal Progressives must be purged out of the system through the v**e. Simultaneously, very, very strong and courageous men and women must be their replacement. Centrists and serial compromisers (you CAN"T compromise with evil) must be avoided.

Senators Ted Cruz and Mike Lee set a good example of what courage, conviction and standing on principles can look like - they needed men and women of integrity to stand with them- Not THROW them under the bus! Argue if you will, the wisdom of standing that ground at that time if you must - that is another issue. When the battle begins though - YOU STAND TOGETHER. What we saw from McCain and his ilk was d********g, self serving and stupid in the extreme! OK, Cruz did break ranks, but all newly elected Constitutional Conservatives must break rank as well! If Cruz had stood down as instructed to, he would have been following an unlawful order because it would have required him to forsake his promise/oath to the people that counted on him doing what they sent him there to do. A united articulate front against the devious and unlawful Democratic thuggery associated with the shutdown and their refusal to accept individual funding bills, would have been a much better battle - not agreeing with liberal pundits!

When and if the Senate and the House come under a much larger contingent of CCs ( Constitutional Conservatives), their goal must be to shut down this regime entirely and to begin the systematic removal/reversal of all of the executive orders and economic policies that have been bleeding this nation. NOT IMPEACHMENT because that would only result in just another mind numbing distraction with the remote potential of leaving Biden in charge - ya want that? Really?

Tea Party has an Awesome Seal! http://www.teaparty.org/

Very good Question/Thought! I've been pondering the same thing myself. After reviewing some of the thoughtful and sane responses to your query, I notice not a single mention of the Tea Party (could have missed it). It already exists, it has grass root support but not nearly as much as it would have if we stopped paying attention to the disinformation disseminated about it and threw in - all of us.

They are very "Independent" and diffuse, but what if we aligned ourselves with their efforts locally and encouraged them to get more united - if united is even necessary? Their independence may be one of their greatest strengths!

Look what they accomplished in 2010! Look what the regime has been doing to them since because of that. Why reinvent the wheel?

I do have Mark Levin's book on my list - perhaps every concerned citizen should read it. I will. But in the mean time -
Is there something about the Tea Party that is too exclusive to be supported by common sense, Constitutional Conservatives? And NO, I'm not a member - just started to look more closely at them and considered attending a meeting locally. One thing is certain, there are the makings of a very, very powerful force for good old American activism and "GOOD". Funding and support would catapult them to WORLD DOMINATION!!! oops

Seriously - who knows why they wouldn't be the place to start - not from scratch! Anyone remember Cruz?

Reform, reform, REFORM

You know, the one thing that is on a continuous loop in my mind, is the understanding that we aren't the first generation to be convinced that "the sky IS falling", this time.