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Oct 27, 2013 23:34:06   #
hprinze wrote:

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Let’s not leave out some other Democrats who work to o*******w the United States and its heritage.
1. Julius and Ethel Rosenberg. Gave the Secrets to the A-bomb to the Soviet Union. In Moscow there is a Memorial Park dedicated to Julius and Ethel Rosenberg.
2. Alger Hiss, Don Hiss, Pricilla Hiss: Richard Nixon who is h**ed by Democrats for exposing Alger Hiss as a paid spy for the Soviet Union. The results of the surrender of the Soviet Union provided the records that proved that Don, Pricilla, Dean Atchison (Sec. Of State) all were also working for the Soviets.
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Dean Acheson was in policy anti-c*******t and the principal architect of the "containment" policy. He refused to disavow his friendship with Alger Hiss, but he did not condone his espionage. I cannot find a biography of Acheson that mentions Soviet documentation that he was also a Soviet spy. J.Edgar Hoover and Sen Joe McCarthy might have woven stories with such claims of a vast network in the Truman administration, but biographers like Robert Beisner and Douglas Brinkley do not mention Soviet proof of his treachery.
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Just to name a few.
The Challenge:
Name one Republican/Conservative in the history of the United States that can be proven to be a r****t.

David Duke, the self-proclaimed "racial realist". Former KKK member (also formerly a Democrat). Self-declared.

Neo-N**i JT Ready, Arizona multi-murderer (5/2/2012).

Neo-N**i Arthur Jones, Republican candidate for Illinois 3rd House Representative. Self-declared.

Notable Republican members of the KKK:
Edward L Jackson (1873-1954), 34th Governor of Indiana
Charles Morley (1869-1948), 24th Governor of Colorado

But the t***h is you can more easily find Democrat notables in the KKK.
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Name one Republican/Conservative who gave, sold, handed over, secrets of the United States to its enemies.

Robert Hanssen, Young Republican, 22 year FBI agent and Soviet spy (1979-2001), convicted of espionage 7/6/2001.

Richard Armitage (Valerie Plame classified status revealed). Bush Deputy Secretary of State. Maybe inadvertent. Lewis Libby (Chief of Staff to Cheney) convicted in the cover-up.

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Name one Republican/Conservative who was a demonstrator against the United States during the Vietnam war.

CW Whalen Jr., six-terms as US Representative from Ohio's 3rd.

George Aiken. Gov Vermont (1937-1941). US Senator (1941-1975).

John Sherman Cooper, Kentucky, US Senator, Anmbassor

Nelson Rockefeller, George Romney, Jacob Javitz. There was plenty of Republican opposition to "Lyndon Johnson's War".
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Name one Republican/Conservative who testified before Congress and told lies, such as Americans were k*****g babies, shooting down people in the streets and other atrocities in Vietnam.

Who is the Democrat? Is this Al Gore or John Kerry?
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Name one Republican/Conservative who has been elected to public office who has purposely created public policies that are designed to destroy the welfare of the American Citizens.

Never heard an elected Democrat say that is what they are doing. This is something the opposition says -- about Hoover, Nixon, Reagan, GW Bush. Would Nixon's creation of the EPA or normalization of relations with China count?
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Name one Republican/Conservative who has been elected to public office who has worked to protect non-citizen invaders from foreign countries to gain future v**es or to fight states trying to cut v***r f***d by illegal invaders from foreign countries showing up a v**er polls with Identifications of dead citizens and v****g for Democrats.

Why would any Republican work to protect people who v**e for Democrats? You need to break this down to something that can be answered (like Republicans who have advocated immigration reform).
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Oct 27, 2013 01:03:29   #
jimahrens wrote:

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And check this last set of statistics!! The percentage of each past president's cabinet who had worked in the private business sector prior to their appointment to the cabinet.....

You know what the private business sector is. A real-life business, not a Government job. Here are the percentages:
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Obama............................. 8%

This helps to explain the incompetence of this administration: only 8% of them have ever worked in private business! That's right! Only eight percent -- the least, by far, of the last 19 presidents! And these people are trying to tell our big corporations how to run their business?
How can the president of a major nation and society, the one with the most successful economic system in world history, stand and talk about business when he's never worked for one? Or about jobs when he has never really had one? And when it's the same for 92% of his senior staff and closest advisers?

They've spent most of their time in academia, government and/or non-profit jobs or as "community organizers." They should have been in an employment line.
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FYI: If anyone doubts this, I was curious who amongst the Obama Cabinet member these 8% might be. There have been 37 people to serve in these senior position, so 8% is only 3 people. Currently there are 20 at Cabinet level (this count Chief of Staff), so 8% is 1.6 people? I am going with the 37 people since it makes more sense mathematically.

Chuck Hagel (current Defense) is clear a businessman (Vanguard Cellular) before entering politics at age 50.

Penny Pritzker (current Comerce) has plenty of experience at Hyatt, banking and real estate.

Sally Jewell (current Interior) worked for Mobil Oil and Rainier Bank (and its successor) for 20 years, eventually as both COO and CEO.

More questionable:

Eric Shinseki (current Veteran Affairs) spent 38 years in the military raising to the rank of 4 star General (Army Chief of Staff). Seems pretty experienced, but his "business experience" might be limited to board of director position at Honeywell, etc.

Jack Lew (current Treasury, previous OMB and Chief of Staff (but counted only once as a person appointed not three appointments)) had time as a VP at NYU and two years as COO at Citicorp.

Michael Froman (US Trade Rep) was Managing Director at Citicorp. But he also work at the Treasury Dept for many years.

Steven Chu (first Energy) worked at Bell Labs for about a decade (during which time he did Nobel Prize winning work as a physicist). He was also a professor (Stanford, USC) and the director of Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory.

William Daley (2nd Chief of Staff) was a lawyer and a banker (JP Morgan).

Several others were lawyers in private practice, but I think you introduction precludes them. Ernest Moniz (current Energy) and Peter Ozszag (first OMB) were in academia, not business. Some have career in the Departments they now head (did head): Eric Holder (Justice, also a judge), Timothy Geithner (first Treasury, also Federal Reserve Bank president), Lisa Jackson (1st EPA, 16 years at EPA) and Shaun Donovan (HUD). And some in closely related departments: Rand Beers (Homeland Security, 42 years Foreign/Civil Service, State Dept) and Robert Gates (first Defense, 26 years at CIA/NSC). But as you say this is not business. It is arguably if "business" is the best qualifier for all Cabinet positions, but that accounts for the percent usually being at or below half.

So, I think I found the most likely 3 of 37 (8%). But even with the other 5 questionable ones, that is only 8 of 37 for 21%, still well lower than any other president on your list.
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Oct 26, 2013 13:39:39   #
AuntiE wrote:
He failed to pay "tax" on income. The penalty/tax is not on income.


So, the holding of the Supreme Court was that ACA provisions were Constitutional because it enacted a "penalty" and not a "tax"? I thought the ACA revenues to be collected by the IRS (when a person elected to go without insurance (with premiums paid to privately operated insurance companies)) was ruled to be a federal tax. The IRS collects all forms of federal taxes (income, excise, estate, gift), doesn't it? The ACA is considered an "indirect excise tax" in the Supreme Court ruling, I thought. Am I wrong?
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Oct 25, 2013 22:52:28   #
hprinze wrote:

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Anyway, my accountant said to me that, according to the law, the only way that the government can collect the fine or penalty for you not buying insurance is if you are owed a tax refund. If you do not owe a tax refund, they cannot go into your bank account or anywhere else and get that money. Now, the sad thing is that most people file their taxes to get a refund 'cause they think they're screwing the government, and they're not.

Therefore, the only way that they can collect the penalty or the fine is by taking money from your refund. If you are not owed a refund, they cannot get money from you. They can't issue a lien. They can't garnish your wages. They can't use any of the normal procedures available to them if you owe them money, even though the Supreme Court has said it's a tax. So for those of us -- I mean, folks, I'm in fat city. I'm in fat city because I always structure to where I owe money. Well, not entirely. There have been years. But if you structure your taxes so that you do not get a refund, you do not have to buy insurance and you do not have to pay a fine 'cause they can't collect it from you if you don't have a refund due.
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Didn't Al Capone go to prison for not paying federal taxes? Surely the Feds are not without tools to compel people to cough up the cash!
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Oct 23, 2013 22:14:33   #
lone_ghost wrote:
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The second link is a rather long report but if you read it all it should definitely shock you. The IRS would bust me for missing a few dollars somewhere on my 1040, but they could not catch this? These numbers are staggering!

Please note that this is a very serious matter that affects all of us no matter our political leanings. I would really like to know what every one has to say about this so please try not to turn it into a partisan b***h session.


I understand your preference to leave partisan politics out of this. The second link does a good job of tracing this problem back to the 1997 enactment of the Tax Payer Relief Act (with every Republican Rep and Senator except one and 80% of the Democrat congress members v****g for it). The $1.8B cited in the Watchdog article was the amount from the 2009 investigation (for 2008 presumably, or cumulatively 1997-2008); the $4.2B figure was for a single year (2010). This is definitely not a new "plot to destroy America" as some posters might be inclined to believe with only a cursory read. This is part of why we have been debating immigration reform for so long.

The concept of the Additional Child Tax Credit payments in excess of tax liability is also an illustration that the idea of "redistributing wealth" predates the Obama years. As mentioned above, this is a nearly universal enacted piece of tax legislation from 16 years ago (when Republicans ruled both houses). While the Watchdog article focused on the unintended incentive for i*****l i*********n and fraudulent filings, the ACTC is a federal payment for parenthood (or adoption of other dependents). I would think there will be complaints about free-loading by "welfare mothers" who are citizens and legal immigrants as well (but maybe the $400 (1997) - $1000 (2010, I think) per year per child are a reasonable "compassionate conservatism" amount of safety net government support).
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Oct 22, 2013 20:42:17   #
Tasine wrote:
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Jim, I'm a conservative libertarian, verging on anarchist. I say verging on anarchist because I fully believe we need no federal government. We already have state governments, county governments, city governments. (Actually I don't feel we need much of any type of government). Only state, county, and city governments have any business mucking around in my business or dictating what you do or don't do, and even they don't have that right, but it's more tolerable than having the feds doing it TOO. I'm ready for the states to declare the federal government dead and buried. Let the states take care of the infrastructure and manage foreign affairs and the military. That's all the feds should be doing anyway. If there was no federal government, MOST of the waste would go away. States will maintain their sovereignty, the feds would have us part of the One World Government ... ....BAD idea.
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How minimalist are your requirements for local/State government? Police/Court/Corrections? Schools? Property deeds? Public roads? Water/Sewage? M*****a? Foreign Relations (between sovereign States)? Industry safety? Product safety? Public safety network? Parks-Recreation?

I believe I am in agreement with your partner. Liberty is c*********d to gain the benefits of Governed society. (Coincidentally, it was the subject of my recent weekly blog, http://thebickerstaffblog.blogspot.com/2013/10/the-freedom-to-v**e.html). To gain cooperation from others, you need to agree to cooperate also. There are forms of government that permit more participation by the individual in deciding what liberties to curtail in others (and themselves), and perhaps that feeling of some control causes more frustration in the lack of total control/liberty. It is easy to complain about being powerless when the power is seized from you, but much more second-quessed when you yourself bargained away the power (of some decision-making) for some other benefit that could only be achieved by compromise.
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Oct 22, 2013 15:40:03   #
alex wrote:
oh excuse me I was hoping I was talking to an intelligent person carry on


You have not explained your view of the criminal conduct involved in the three cases yu cited by title. I provide my view of Fast and Furious, B******i, and the IRS-501c4. Throwing around encapulating handles like "Contragate" does not explain why somebody (or half of Americans) might believe there are crimes broken and by whom.

I will make this simple for you to convince me. Please explain Obama's criminal involvement in the B******i incident -- incompetence does not count as criminal. Political posturing is not criminal either -- if it was, DC would be emptied out.
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Oct 21, 2013 22:11:08   #
alex wrote:
I don't suppose either of you ever heard of fast and furious,or B******i, or the IRS any of which are impeachable offences and you can forget all your bulls**t lies I've heard them all


Eric Holder was exonerated of any wrongdoing in the Fast and Furious Operation in September 2012. Obama was never considered any more involved than George W Bush under whom the "Project Gunrunner" began. This operation was essentially a continuation of the 2006 Operation Wide Receiver attempt to capture higher profile players in the gun trafficking.

B******i was an attack on an American consulate. Obama was not in the attacking crowd and did not give support to the attackers. A lack of significant pr********n and a haste to "explain" what we knew might be incompetent, but there was criminal. Again, the Bush administration missing the signs that the 09/11/2001 attacks were coming might be similarly incompetent (and that might be push at), but that is not impeachable either.

The IRS' responsibility for evaluating 501c4 "social welfare" organization applications increased (following Citizens United decision) as staff was cut. The "be on the lookout" list was a shortcut. The investigations are ongoing, but as of now the evidence is of a errant field operations gone awry. However, this is the one seed for impeachment if Obama was involved. The evidence has not yet been found, only speculated about. I have not seen the poll that says "over half of Americans" believe Obama had any role in what the IRS did to establish the "social welfare" content of these political action committees.
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Oct 21, 2013 19:59:02   #
TeaPartyRon wrote:
Where have you been living under a rock???


You are talking about criminal offenses. There is a lot of hyperbolic talk about policies, mannerisms, and failures that annoy people who would ratther have a different president, but your claim that over half of Americans believe there were impeachable offenses against Obama. Since as of November 2012, over half of them chose to put him back in office, I was asking to see a set of charges that "half of Americans" believe. How about you give me your top 2.
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Oct 20, 2013 20:07:34   #
TeaPartyRon wrote:
May I make a suggestion that from now on instead of calling Obama as President Obama let's just refer to him as either Mr. Obama or just plain Obama. As he does not deserve to have such a title. Or Alias Barry Soetoro That may be more appropriate don't you think??


I accept. I will call him Mr. Obama, Barack Obama, or simpy Obama and the folks on your side will end the Obummer, Ollegal, etc derisive nicknames. It seems like an acceptable compromise to polite discourse amongst us, even if you continue to hold your contempt and express it in verbs, adjective, adverb, and nouns linked int this neutral proper name. Similarly the use of respectful references like Speaker Boehner would be dropped along with disrespectful monikers like Bonehead.

Wow, what a step forward this would be for civility on this site. Thanks for the offer.
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Oct 20, 2013 19:43:42   #
alex wrote:
take your pick they would fill this page


Pick from what? Remember incompetence and unpopularity are not treason nor high crimes and misdemeanors.

What criminal offense has Barack Obama committed while serving as the President of the United States?
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Oct 20, 2013 14:26:28   #
bahmer wrote:
I think that over half of America has the will to impeach. The other part may be to dense or they are Obama supporters either way the main and only real stopping point has and is dingy Harry Reid in the senate. We have the majority in the house although getting Boehner to move on this issue might take some doing. I know he wouldn't want to upset Reid and Obama. If we can get control of the senate in 2014 I do believe that impeachment could be possible. I also think that there are a number of RINO's that would have to be removed and v**ed out as well like McCain, Kirk, and there are probably more I just can't think of their names.
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Impeachment is not a political process like a recall e******n. It is a criminal filing. Please specify those charges of treason and high crimes and misdemeanors to which "over half of America" agree.
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Oct 19, 2013 22:48:54   #
Geno36 wrote:
My question was "what would happen". Nothing more, nothing less. I advocated nothing. Can you answer the question???? Economically, what would happen?????


What would happen if Americans were taught that defaulting on their loans is okay??? Well, I guess we might become a Muslim nation that did not believe that people should give or take loans with interest. But even Muslims make "free loans" with the expectation of getting the money lent back.
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Oct 19, 2013 22:38:50   #
OldSchool wrote:
Many are low-information v**ers who don't have a clue on where this economy is going - this explains a lot.

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/23-advanced-economies-us-adults-rank-21st-math-sk**ls#sthash.s5GRzffJ.dpuf


Did you notice the claim at the bottom that in numeracy the 3 point difference (out of 500) between Ireland's 256 and the USA's 253 was not significant. It would appear to imply that the 6 point difference between Poland's 260 and the USA (or between Italy's 247 and the USA) is statistically significant (typically at least two standard deviations for a 95% confidence, thus the implied standard deviation is only 1.5 points). That strikes me as an incredible small variance from a sample of 5000 in each of 23 countries. It would not make sense for only 5000 people across 23 countries because the would imply about 220 people per country with over 50% (112) of Americans unable to read/answer the background questions. Do you really believe that about 70% of Americans tested scored a 251, 252, 253, 254, or 255 out of 500 math questions. If 4999 (minus the 112 not scored) scored exactly 253 and one oddball American score 403 (deviation of 150), the standard deviation would be over 2. I would have expected a standard deviation closer to 5% of the mean (maybe 13-14) which would make the USA have statistical significant difference outside the range of 227-279 (i.e. inseparable "statistically" from any country below the top 6).

But then I may be that oddball scoring 403 (I had a 800 on the SAT/Math). Perhaps Americans really are dumber (or poorer test takers) than the Polish. After all, it is in writing and nobody cannot lie (mislead, be wrong) in writing.
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Oct 19, 2013 21:18:30   #
Geno36 wrote:
What would happen IF a giagantic twitter campaign started and all the people who have student loans quit paying? Most of them are realizing that the gov't. has them in s***ery and there is no way out even after they are dead.


If their parents had gone to a bank to finance their college education, would you consider that the bank had the rights of a s***eowner to them? Are you suggesting that the government should just pay outright for student's tuition and other expenses? Why is it appropriate to advocate that people do not repay their contracted obligations? Isn't that what you are complaining that Federal government is not doing?
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