Posts: RobertX8Y | One Political Plaza

J*** 6 Was Just the Start of Radicalizing Trump’s Republican Party

(I'm deleting this comment by my robertx8y handle. I'm posting it again by my new handle which is robertv2.)

"America witnessed a c**p attempt. Now it’s sleep-walking into another disaster"

Puds wrote:

If I wish to get further into a topic’s details, I... (show quote)

I read that some software (the Google search engine, and Facebook, and probably many other interactive software on the internet) customizes its responses according to what it has learned that the particular user likes (clicks). Thus when I search on Google, and when you search on Google, the list it returns to me will be different from the list it returns to you, even if we have both entered the exact same query to it. It would identify the user in some way, such as by the IP address of the computer. It would do this to maximize advertisement revenues. But this behavior also has the effect of confirmation bias for each user -- that is, it would give the user web pages that tend to confirm what the user already likes or believes.

The web page of the search engine duckduckgo.com claims to not track the user. In this way it would not make confirmation bias.

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"Trump still believe[d] c****av***s will 'just disappear' as the US near[ed] 130,000 reported deaths" as of July 1, 2020

martsiva wrote:

Explain 'Republicans want more suppression against v**ers'!! 'Biden`s the better president'?? NO - he`s the worst president ever! You and I have gone through all the damage that he has done and your replies make it clear that you couldn`t care less!!

Re: suppression: Reference: research by Greg Palast (& his associates).

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"America witnessed a c**p attempt. Now it’s sleep-walking into another disaster"

soontobeindicted mattoid wrote:

Why are they all pleading the 5th?

We are all wondering that.

And waiting

And waiting

And waiting for justice.

Yeah.

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"America witnessed a c**p attempt. Now it’s sleep-walking into another disaster"

eagleye13 wrote:

Now, how did you arrive at that conclusion, that Trump trashed the Constitution, Sherlock???

Generally what I've noticed is that Trump doesn't seem to care at all (if he's even aware) about conflicts of interest. I don't know whether the topic of "conflicts of interest" is literally specifically addressed in the Constitution, but it's a concept that's important in a democracy and, also, at least some of the Founders would care about such a thing.

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"America witnessed a c**p attempt. Now it’s sleep-walking into another disaster"

RascalRiley wrote:

Donny would never advocate for violence so he could maintain immunity and continue to trash the Constitution.

No, after months of planning he did say go peacefully and then watched in glee for several hours as his mob hunted his enemies and trashed the capital. He was begged to call off his perpetrators and did nothing. He was loving it.

Now they are in jail, their lives permanently damaged and he will skate free because he is such a hot political potato.

Yeah.

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"America witnessed a c**p attempt. Now it’s sleep-walking into another disaster"

eagleye13 wrote:

"A sensible person might fear a bad thing. I might fear a violent criminal, for example."

The trouble is the Left are not very sensible. They still ignore the dangers of c*******m and other forms of totalitarian government.
The Constitution is something that gets in their way.

I could make a suggestion here, though I don't know whether that would do any good. I'd suggest distinguishing between c*******m and totalitarianism. There may be some overlap between them, but they are not the same thing. Then, to be fair and complete, we'd make similar distinctions among other systems, like, say, to distinguish between capitalism and totalitarianism, of which there may be some overlap between them, but they are not the same thing.

The Constitution is more complex for me to try to address briefly.

I'm trying to phase out RobertX8Y to make room for my new persona (or at least new handle) which is RobertV2. So at some point I'll let some of these threads drop -- I mean, wh**ever my part is in them.

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"Trump still believe[d] c****av***s will 'just disappear' as the US near[ed] 130,000 reported deaths" as of July 1, 2020

JR-57 wrote:

That’s exactly right. But we’ll never know, will we? Why? Because the Democrat Party were not cooperative in verifying the integrity of the system or the integrity and accuracy of the newly implemented ways for v**es to be submitted. You’re absolutely right. We have no idea of the accuracy for Biden or Trump.

You say, "we'll never know". But it would be closer to the t***h to say, "we'll never know every detail absolutely".

I would not hold up any political party as a way to know things.

Various e******n officials, some of whom are Republicans, did a good job verifying the integrity of the system and that Biden did in fact win. For example, at least one of the places Trump disputed did a count of the b****ts in paper form. How do you expect something more verifiable than that? But Trump will never concede even such a thing as that, so tens of millions of his followers also won't concede even such a thing as that.

You write "newly implemented ways for v**es to be submitted". I'm not sure but I think you might be referring to v****g by mail. V****g by mail has been around a long time and has been found to work well. It was only new in some places. For many Trump followers, the spread of v**e-by-mail was nothing more than a trick, because for those Trump followers, the p******c itself (which is involved in the increased need for v**e-by-mail) was also nothing more than a trick. I'm waiting to see what yet more obvious thing they also think is a trick. How about: the idea that their political adversary is an earthling is a trick, he's really a space alien AND a "c*******t" (in case "space alien" isn't horrifying enough by itself, to motivate the base). T***p w*n't care whether his assertion is true, he'll only care whether it will motivate his base to do what he wants it to do. (And at least part of his base are morons with powerful guns.)

There's a trade-off between the amount of e******n security and the amount of ability to v**e. For total, absolute e******n security you'd have to lock it down so tight that effectively there wouldn't be any e******n at all. In our current situation, there is a lot of suppression against v**ers, making it difficult for a lot of them to v**e; and Republicans want to make _more_ suppression against v**ers, and their excuse is the notion that there are vast amounts of fraud committed by v**ers; but in reality there are very few cases of fraud committed by v**ers (even if there were a thousand fraudulent b****ts all cast for one candidate, it still wouldn't be significant in the 2020 e******n), and what cases there are are easy to find and prosecute.

I've said this before in other threads, but I'll mention it again here: There are significant problems in e******ns but they're not fraud committed by v**ers; rather, they're wrongs committed by e******n officials against v**ers. Also: Biden won, rightfully; Trump lost in 2020. Moreover, Biden's the better president, by far. We're all lucky he's president instead of Trump.

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"America witnessed a c**p attempt. Now it’s sleep-walking into another disaster"

eagleye13 wrote:

RobertX8Y!!!
You can't really be that dense.
Too many unt***hs to spend time on.

So pick one.

You don't have to do it now (I might not have time to reply anyway, during the thick of the holiday season), but sometime you could pick one "unt***h" and discuss it.

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"America witnessed a c**p attempt. Now it’s sleep-walking into another disaster"

eagleye13 wrote:

"A sensible person might fear a bad thing. I might fear a violent criminal, for example."

The trouble is the Left are not very sensible. They still ignore the dangers of c*******m and other forms of totalitarian government.
The Constitution is something that gets in their way.

I disagree but let's set that aside for the moment. My point is that the fact that people "fear" some thing does not imply that that thing is good. And that statement is true even if the fear-ers are your political adversaries.

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"America witnessed a c**p attempt. Now it’s sleep-walking into another disaster"

eagleye13 wrote:

The Edomites were the descendants of Esau.

https://www.t***hcontrol.com/articles/serpent-bloodline-edomitekhazar-jews-and-sons-cain#comments

The Serpent Bloodline: Edomite/Khazar Jews and Sons of Cain May 20th, 2009

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Z*****m became a political agenda of the Bolshevik Illuminati to capture the area of Israel for the Antichrist. In fact, their agenda is to rule the world from Jerusalem. When the Battle of Armageddon takes place the Antichrist gathers all the world's armies to Israel to fight against the Second Coming of Jesus Christ. At that time, the Antichrist is ruling from Jerusalem.

Look at America today, who is running the White House? The Edomite Jews and Sons of Cain. Who was arrested for treason during WW 2 by Congress for trading with the enemy? Prescott Bush. Who announced the formation of the NWO in America? His son, George Bush, Sr. Who is president of America today? George Bush, Jr. What do the Bush's have in common with Edomite Jews? They are all part of the serpent seedline of the Illuminati.

The Illuminati are at the top of two particular races of people known as the Edomite Jews and the Sons of Cain. And it goes all the way to the top where the Illuminati rule directly beneath the Jesuits. The Jesuits answer directly to the Black Pope. The Black Pope position is the real power position in the Vatican as opposed to the "white" pope position. Most think it is the Pope, John Paul II who rules from the Vatican. He may reside there, but the real power in the Vatican is hidden, and it's in the position known as the Black Pope. Black meaning hidden or secret. Today, Hans Van Kolvenbach, holds the title of the Black Pope. And he is second to none on this earth in establishing Satan's rise to power. He is literally Satan's right hand man.

So what do we have today? The false Jews in Israel being called real Jews. And the real "Jews" not even knowing who they are. We are being led to believe by the churches today that Satan's chosen are Yahweh's chosen people. Now are you ready to scream?
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I was baptized in the Church of God some 30 years ago. I didn't stay in that church because of the people. They were trying to oust the preacher on what I thought were false charges. Also, one of the members verbally attacked the woman, who was babysitting the children, for the music she was listening to on the radio.

When I was a child, I had no one to take me to church so I went by myself. In middle school, I was drawn to Youth For Christ. When I was raising my family, I listened to Jehovah's Witnesses - but there were parts of their dogma that, like the Catholic Church, I could not accept. Finally, after my children were grown, I sat down and read the Bible myself - starting from Genesis to Revelation. Then I read it from the Gospels to Revelation. And again from the beginning to the end....

The Edomites were the descendants of Esau. br br ... (show quote)

You mention Esau. The case of Esau in the Bible is interesting but I don't know whether that has much to do with this thread.

The end of your post tells about your church and Bible experiences, which are interesting also, but I don't know why you posted those in this thread.

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"America witnessed a c**p attempt. Now it’s sleep-walking into another disaster"

martsiva wrote:

Show us just how Trump 'instigated' this incident!

Show? Like with links to news articles (in various news media that you deride)? I won't do that now -- and I don't have time for that today anyway, but I can describe what I've seen, read, heard, and think. At a past rally or rallies, Trump encouraged the idea of roughing up political opponents or counter-protesters. And, at the J*** 6 rally, he was telling his supporters to "fight like hell" -- that was basically his main message. Trump makes up stuff (regardless of whether even he believes it himself) which influences millions of people to think the e******n of Biden is illegitimate and that "patriots" and "good" people have to "fight like hell" against it. Trump has, for at least five years, fostered a lot of disrespect toward lots and lots of people in government, and has influenced his followers to also disrespect them. On the J*** 6 "incident" itself, Trump could easily have called off the mob, but delayed a long time in doing so, and this corroborates the idea that he _wanted_ them to do what they were doing -- violence and all. Also, when violence by the political Right occurs (such as in the North Carolina incident many months ago, and such as on J*** 6) he refuses to condemn such acts of violence -- instead saying things like "we love you" or "there are good people on both sides". Trump is a leader, but not reliably for good things. I think all that, and I think Trump instigated the J*** 6 r**t by telling them over and over that the e******n of Biden was illegitimate and that there's a vast wrong thing that "stole" the e******n from him, by virtually ignoring the authority and legitimacy of the entire U.S. justice system (which rules against him in 60 or more cases, virtually all his cases about the e******n), and by telling his supporters that to be "good" "brave" "patriots" they have to "fight like hell" about a "stolen" e******n s****n by a vast illegitimate very bad thing. And Trump publicly puts negative labels and disrespect onto anybody who _doesn't_ "fight like hell" on his behalf -- calling them cowards, for example -- and who would want to be thought a coward? What did Trump say about Pence -- something like that he wasn't brave enough to do the right thing -- very negatively stated -- and that was the major contributing factor toward the scaffolding and chants for "Hang Mike Pence!". And I think that if Trump _didn't_ want the J*** 6 violence then he _would_ have called off the mob 2 or 3 hours sooner than he did. If you want to see the various videos of J*** 6, you can find them online; I might tell you where _I_ found them, but what would be the point of that since most of the media in the world and any who's against Trump would only be "Left"-wing media to you which you discount.

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"America witnessed a c**p attempt. Now it’s sleep-walking into another disaster"

eagleye13 wrote:

Trump will be back. The Left and Neo-Cons still fear him, as well as the Lame Stream Media.

I think that the "Left" and "Neo-Cons" are your political adversaries. So maybe you like that they "fear".

I fear Trump.

A sensible person might fear a bad thing. I might fear a violent criminal, for example.

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The weird spiral of declining Christianity in America

son of witless wrote:

Forgive me for assuming that you were an anti Christian Atheist. Reading what you just wrote, " I'm mostly agnostic about God. " it seems to me that you are still on a spiritual journey. You obviously have read a lot of the Bible and thought about it deeply.

Thank you very much. I feel appreciated when you say that.

son of witless wrote:

I had assumed the wrong thing because I have debated a few strong Atheists whose backgrounds were similar to your background. They knew the Bible far better than me because they were raised in strict religious families, later in life rejected Christianity and used their knowledge to ridicule and attack all religions.

My father cautioned me about speaking critically about other people's religions. However, some people wield their religions in ways with negative consequences for the rest of us. So, sometimes it is necessary or right to speak critically about religions.

son of witless wrote:

As for me, I had a somewhat less strict religious upbringing. I never rejected it completely. I had a lot of issues with the Old Testament God. He seemed pretty unfair to me. Later on enough things happened in my life to convince me that there has to be somebody in charge of the universe. We all did not get here through random chance or science.

Not that I agree with all that; but thank you for that thoughtfulness.

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"Trump still believe[d] c****av***s will 'just disappear' as the US near[ed] 130,000 reported deaths" as of July 1, 2020

martsiva wrote:

Are you actually denying the true fact the damage ... (show quote)

line 1 "... damage ..." ? Particularly much damage?

line 2 "... crisis at the border ..."? You appear to blame Biden for it.

Similarly "high cost": you blame Biden.

"destroying our energy independence": I regard that as a foolish thought. But, maybe you and I don't start from the same set of assumptions. Supposing that (a) all energy had to come from oil, and (b) we need all the energy we're trying to get (as a nation), then maybe Biden & Co. did something to damage (I would not say "destroy") our "energy independence" that I'm not aware of. But I think it's foolishness because the way to energy independence and a secure productive future is not through oil anyway.

"Marxist B*M": You're losing me pretty fast when you say "Marxist". I can tell you disapprove of Marxism. I think you (and the great majority of people on OPP) are foolish and bigoted about "Marxism" and similar topics. The mere fact that some people may be, or are, Marxist doesn't bother me a bit. People on OPP seem to have a knee-jerk severely negative reaction at the very thought of it, yet I doubt they know much about it. It's been the same way through the ages about "c*******m", "socialism", "homosexuality", "heathen", "savage", "inferior race", and on and on. If I were at a party and there were one person there who happened to be a Marxist, c*******t, socialist, homosexual heathen supposedly inferior race person, that's the person I'd want to go to because that person might actually say something interesting and intelligent that I hadn't heard before. I expect a lot less from the people who are prone to dismiss people by quickly putting them into categories.