JohnCo wrote:
There's a middle-man: Travis Gettys, who wrote the article. He is quoting David Frum. I looked online to see who these people are. It looks like David Frum worked in the George W. Bush administration, and now is highly critical of Mr. Trump; and Travis Gettys probably has "progressive" views, because he works for Raw Story.
I agree with his first paragraph.
But what are we to make of his 1st clause in his 2nd paragraph? It is: "The rate of diabetes, alcohol consumption, obesity and other predictors of public health strongly predicted 2016 support for Trump's campaign". I guess he means "correlated" instead of "predicted". With "correlated", it seems believable, although rather daring or careless to say all that without substantiating it.
Re: the idea that the v*****es "work so well that herd immunity may not even be necessary": I think this is a wrong idea. As long as there's a sizable population that doesn't get v******ted, it's likely that the C****-** v***s will keep mutating and some of the mutations will eventually overcome the v*****es. One mutation seems to have already done so. ( https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2021/4/19/is-the-south-african-c***d-variant-immune-to-v*****es ) More v*****es could be developed to combat the mutations (I suppose), but possibly the mutations would outpace the v*****e developments so that we wouldn't be able to keep up, and so the p******c (or a derivative p******c) might just keep getting worse.
Frum, as quoted by Gettys, says "They bear responsibility too for the harm they do themselves and their families." But that's not enough. In my opinion, getting v******ted against C****-** is a civic responsibility and those who refuse bear responsibility to all of society -- because the refusers are harboring the v***s and allowing it to continue mutating in their bodies collectively, thus endangering us all, and later harming some of us via the mutations they allowed to develop. Could be I'm wrong (I'm not a v*****e scholar) (nor a v***s scholar) but that's how the p******c-and-v*****e situation seems to be playing out.
V*****e refusers are somewhat like draft dodgers and conscientious objectors in a war; but draft dodgers and conscientious objectors, in some wars, have a good reason to refuse to be in those wars (or even to furtively avoid being in them, I think), whereas in this war against the v***s it seems (to me) more obvious that everybody has a duty to get v******ted.
But a lot depends on what kind of knowledge or ignorance they have. Is it really their fault if they're so confused, by Trump (who after all _was_ called the President of the U.S.A. -- and most children think they can believe an authority figure like that, and it takes a lot to overcome that training), and by the internet-spread conspiracy theories, that they really don't understand the true situation?
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Addenda, to the above last paragraph:
Is it really their fault if they're so confused, by (a) Trump ("The President"), (b) internet-spread conspiracy theories (and other false news), _and_ (c) "Fox News" or similar information outlets? One of my close relatives gets virtually all of his news from Fox. He lives in a place where there isn't much else on the radio. He doesn't use the internet and probably doesn't read much news. And even if he did read news, it would be back-country newspapers that aren't much good -- about the same as listening to Fox or even Rush Limbaugh all day.
There are a lot of people -- tens of millions in the U.S. -- who don't know much news other than what Fox tells them, and if they got the urge to look elsewhere for news, they'd have no idea where to get it. Just as I was as a high school student.
But, since that time, I've had some additional, different kinds of experience:
Starting off, I was raised in the same place where he was raised. I didn't know much about the world (other than my own direct personal experiences of it, which started me off being skeptical -- like "a skeptic without a cause" since I didn't know where to turn for anything else).
Then I got away and spent 4 years at a college (which I regard as a "liberal arts" college), and a little later 2 years at a university (still a little bit "liberal arts" for me because of my associations with a wide variety of people there, including several from other countries). All this gradually broadened my knowledge base. I'm a slow learner, but at least I have a tendency to respect people, so I picked up a few thoughts or perspectives along the way. As in osmosis. I guess what I can articulate of it is that I got used to a wider variety of people being "real people" to me, so that if I see someone who looks different, or speaks a different language and doesn't speak English well, I might still realize they're just as real, human, intelligent, ethical, etc. as I am. (I still have some difficulty relating to women though -- they're more difficult than international, but less difficult than Republican. Republicans are sort of like the evil invaders from outer space -- in my perception of them, I mean.)
And then a little later I moved to the San Francisco Bay Area (a multicultural area) and worked many years there in a research establishment (where I continued to meet and associate with a variety of people, many from other countries).
Also, while commuting an hour round-trip each day, with nothing else to do, while randomly turning the dial on the car radio, I happened to discover "KPFA" the FM radio f**gship station of the Pacifica network. KPFA is based in Berkeley, California. (I've long been in awe of Berkeley, San Francisco, and the 1960s; I grew up thinking maybe somehow they are "where it's at"; but that is very subjective.). KPFA was much more interesting than anything else on the radio (in case you're curious, you can find it at kpfa.org), especially for me, having been raised where there wasn't anything like that. I wish I had had access to KPFA when I was a teenager, but there was no internet then and I was too far from such FM radio stations. I didn't even know what FM radio was until college; we only listened to AM radio.
From KPFA I learned about Palestine and also a little about Haiti, and as a result (from that and a couple of books, etc.) now I think I know about Palestine, but I did not develop much interest in Haiti.
KPFA has much other interesting commentary (they had Howard Zinn occasionally -- and that's just one example). It's _still_ my favorite place to hear the news, but (aside from its news broadcasts) I've gotten tired of the feminism in some of its programming -- not my kind of feminism, I guess. It does still have a variety of good programs -- plenty of them -- that don't have any connection to what I perceive as feminism.
Meanwhile someone introduced me to the work of Warren Farrell (author of Why Men Are The Way They Are and other very interesting books later than that one). (If anyone is still with me, I might lose them at Farrell, but why should I care.) If KPFA and Feminism and, say, Dr. Phil were all bowling pins, then Warren Farrell would be the bowling ball that knocks them all down. He _is_ a feminist, just not the same kind one hears so much these days. Farrell is what I'd call both a feminist and a masculinist at the same time, but since feminism's already got so much air time, he's had to take up the slack on the masculinist side, so he writes more about men's perspectives, and so some women just really h**e him. I don't know how he ever managed to get anything published in today's feminist world, but apparently perseverance pays off.
All the above plus some additional direct personal experience adds up to the way I see the world.