Again this is not "the t***h" it is your t***h" and lets be honest here that is exactly what you're trying to do, change what others choose, since you see what you believe to be right, which makes all others who don't believe what you do as wrong(a mistake). I do see your attempts as good intentions just as a Jehovah witness that knocks on my door.

You see,on that we agree. Very close to what I was saying about t***h, and what people believe to be true, it's a personal conception.

I thought I was, Isn't that what a debate is, when two disagree? Maybe my tone was misinterpreted. I take bold type as yelling, and mention of it was mostly in tease/jest. I don't disagree with you on most of your comments and wasn't condemning your opinion in any way.

Don't make this personal, I don't think I said what I believed, we were talking about t***hs. I didn't say God didn't exist, I said in my opinion in wasn't an absolute t***h. It is not a fact, it is a belief, and a belief is only an absolute t***h to the person who believes it, OK I think we've come full circle now. You have a blessed night

Like I said before, what is an absolute t***h? 1+1=2 that is an absolute t***h, is there a God...nope, not an absolute.

Yes and I'm trying to tell you that...that t***h is true for you, and many others but it is not an absolute t***h. You may view it as a universal t***h, but that t***h is your opinion. A belief is not a universal t***h as many do not agree, a t***h and a belief are two very different things. . .

OK but don't yell at me if I happen to disagree with you as far as never. I think the more we travel away from the traditional testament's the closer we may find our divine life source energy, which I imagine will not be of the physical world, sooo we will probably find it through cooperative efforts of irrational thought and scientific research, ironic eh. Blending and flexibility always seem to cohabitate so well together.

I think the path may be as important, maybe even more so, it may depend on the goal.

What is absolute t***h? I believe mathematical and scientific facts are t***hs, simple historical facts are t***hs when there isn't room for interpretation, so no not all t***hs are relative, but people can still believe these t***hs or not.

If I may cut in here with you Peter, and correct me where I might be misunderstanding you. You seem to believe that under the belief in God our life's course is predestined no matter what we do...untrue. This is why we have free choice. The creation of our own life is completely up to us. I don't believe in heaven or hell but if one did, God/ Divine source doesn't know your outcome until it is done.

God didn't know Hitler's outcome no one did. What god might have known were events to happen and how Hitler would react to them was up to him. A persons destiny is an unknown as it's a path we walk towards to with many forks.


Second ~God is not irrational, man is, but that is coming from a stance where rational is superior, not necessarily. Who says irrational has to be chaotic.
If you define irrational has one who depends on instincts and intuition. Where we have gained in rationality we have lost in intuition. Animals in the wild go by instincts and intuition and many are still well organized, no chaos involved. Don't misunderstand me reason is a good thing but not all inclusive.

And lastly aside from what is in our imagination and what is "real" in the physical world. All I have to say to that is think how much has been revealed to us that we never knew existed, simply because we didn't know it did exist, didn't mean it didn't. Wow did that come out right

Simply stating if a person wanted to they could, it being legal or not wouldn't be a consideration. You may be right, but in a tight enclosure like that, either way the damage is extensive

I did answer you question, there is absolute fact for those that believe it to be absolute A man who commits murder is wrong in the eyes of all those who believe that to be true, but for example if a man k**ls someone under the pretense of a religious sacrificial gesture to their god, in the "eyes of his congregation" is it murder? Under his culture the answer would be no. He had done no wrong.

Does a soldier commit murder when fighting? The human mind can rationalize anything. We have laws we abide by, we do that in agreement to what we feel to be true to ourselves, by what we are taught and than follow...or not, as we do have free choice even if it leads to our own demise.

I don't believe people who are about to endeavor a mass shooting are concerned about legalities.

It's defined rather simply

A weapon designed for use in warfare, especially when used in noncombat situations such as terrorism. What is the point here on how it is termed?

Proven facts are t***hs, yet it's still relative, you can tell someone an undeniable t***h yet they can simply choose not to believe it, in that sense it is relative. Take the discussion on g****l w*****g... a perfect example.