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Jan 4, 2022 20:13:29   #
Milosia2 wrote:
Manchin Gangs up with Republicans to End Critical Help to



Economic Policy | Joe Manchin
by Joan McCarter | January 4, 2022 - 8:30am

“It’s going to be hard next month, and just thinking about it, it really makes me want to bite my nails to the quick,” Anna Lara told The New York Times in December. She’s talking about the end of the monthly Child Tax Credit payments; the last payment went out on December 15. She’s a mother of two young children and she lives in Huntington, West Virginia. “Honestly, it’s going to be scary. It’s going to be hard going back to not having it.”

It’s her senator, Democrat Joe Manchin, who has given Senate Republicans an assist in blocking President Joe Biden’s Build Back Better plan, and the extension of those monthly payments. Manchin has privately told colleagues that he’s opposed to those payments because he believes parents will spend the money on drugs instead of on their children. “Your children watch you, and if you worry, they catch on to that,” Lara said. “With that extra cushion, we didn’t have to worry all the time.” The money has helped her family since she lost her job in the p******c and hasn’t been able to return to work because of the cost of childcare. Her partner still has his job, but the payments have helped them meet all their living expenses—replacing a broken appliance, car repairs, a new car seat for their 6-year old, and new shoes. Not illegal drugs.

According to nonpartisan, independent research from the Center on Poverty & Social Policy at Columbia University, the payments kept 3.8 million out of poverty in November of 2021. In just that month, the families of 61.3 million children received the payments. That resulted in a nearly 30% reduction in poverty rates compared to the level they estimate in the absence of the payments.

The credit was temporarily expanded and extended in the American Rescue Plan signed into law by President Biden last spring, but Congress and Biden intended to make the program permanent and included it in the Build Back Better plan. The payments were increased from the previous maximum of $2,000 annually per child to $3,600 annually for children up to age 5, and $3,000 for older children. The other change was to make those payments monthly, instead of coming in one payment after families file their tax returns. It also expanded the program to people who hadn’t been able to get the full credit because they had too little income. That’s what’s really helping reduce poverty among children—about 1/3 of the nation’s kids (half of Black and Hispanic children and 70% of kids with single parents) previously didn’t qualify for the full credit.

“What we’ve seen with the child tax credit is a policy success story that was unfolding, but it’s a success story that we risk stopping in its tracks just as it was getting started,” Megan Curran, director of policy at Columbia’s Center on Poverty and Social Policy, told the Times. “The weight of the evidence is clear here in terms of what the policy is doing. It’s reducing child poverty and food insufficiency.”

Another argument against the policy has been that it would discourage work, but there’s been no evidence of that happening, either. In fact, says Samuel Hammond, director of poverty and welfare policy at the Niskanen Center, it is probably encouraging more parents to work because they can more easily afford child care. “There’s every reason to believe that in the current labor market, the child tax credit is work-enabling, and no evidence to the contrary has been presented,” he told the Times. He wrote a report last summer estimating the expanded payments would create the equivalent of 500,000 full-time jobs and provide $27 billion in increased consumer spending.

That doesn’t mean it’s contributing to inflation, one economist says, as Manchin and Republicans have argued. “That’s a noninflationary program,” said Joe Brusuelas, chief economist at the accounting firm RSM. “That’s dedicated toward necessities, not luxuries.” Or illegal drugs.

As of now, Manchin is still demanding that either a further income limit is placed on the child tax credits, or the provision is removed entirely. The CTC does already have income limits for 2021 filers, starting at above $150,000 for joint filers, $112,500 for heads of household, and $75,000 for single filers—and no, it makes no sense for single parents to be penalized with that lower-income threshold. Those limits were higher under the Rescue Plan, phasing out at $200,000 and $400,000 levels are where the child tax credit phases out faster for individual or joint tax filers.

Nonetheless, and probably because he hasn’t done his homework to know already that the CTC is means-tested, Manchin wants it to be limited. He’s also said maybe there should be work requirements, a Dickensian solution at any time but particularly with C****-** resurging and the omicron variant taking hold.

Also, the omicron variant is causing a massive C***D surge, and schools and businesses are going to start closing again and heating bills in much of the country are going to rise and the monthly CTC payments have ended. None of which Manchin gives a genuine s**t about. Never mind that 181,000 West Virginia families got their final monthly checks last month. The checks averaged $446 and reached 305,000 children. That’s 93% of the state’s children, 50,000 of whom are at risk of their families falling into poverty if the program isn’t resumed.

Among them is Anna Lara’s family. “Right now, both of my vehicles need gas and I can’t put gas in the car,” she told the Times. “But it’s OK, because I’ve got groceries in the house and the kids can play outside.” At least it was okay in December.
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Enough is enough. It's time for Biden and F***i to move on and let go of their unconstitutional power hold on businesses and individuals with their C***d fear mongering. I care about deaths, not "cases", now with omicron mostly as mild as a bad cold
If BIDEN really cared about people, especially people ,Iike Anna Lara's family, he would have BUILT on Trump's successes (of which were many) and not immediately cancel them. In my small town, all throughout 2020 our gas prices were $1.75 and by June of 2021 it was $3.95. Food costs have gone up, but so has pay and job opportunities. Americans need to get back to work, not continue to become reliant on government handouts. Yes, it's hard...I grew up in a single parent household by a working mother who often couldn't pay the mortgage, couldn't pay utilities or for food or new clothing. Looking back, she didn't know how to manage money then and at 84 she still can't, but my sister and I sure do because of the hardships we endured, and that's exactly what people need to do now...endure, learn how to manage your money and accept there are things you don't need and can do without and be stronger and wiser for it.
WE don't need Socialism, or Marxist collectivism or anything else the socialist "progressive" Left wants...we need more Democrats like Manchin and Sinema fighting to save our republic from one progressively socialist policy and agenda after another.
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Jan 4, 2022 19:21:59   #
thebigp wrote:
by Patriot Outlook
Tesla and SpaceX CEO Elon Musk doesn’t have much in the way of nice things to say about Biden’s expensive Build Back Better plan. In fact, he believes the entire thing should just be scrapped.
While speaking at an event sponsored by the Wall Streat Journal, Musk pointed out that once a lot of these subsidies, regulations, and rules pass, there’s not really a way to get rid of them, and to be sure, he has a huge problem with a lot of what’s in the bill.
“Honestly, it might be better if the bill doesn’t pass,” Musk said.
Musk detailed how we would effectively be spending $3 trillion more than we earn and that if it were a private business, this would be counted as a huge loss. Add on top of that all the other obligations already piled onto the taxpayer such as social security. It also hinges on nothing else bad happening that would further impact the economy, which no one can actually predict.
Musk went on to say that the government should act as a referee and not a player on the field, adding that government should just get out of the way and not impede progress. Moreover, the rules and regulations they impart don’t just go away, making it harder for nations to advance.
Many of these rules stagnate as the situations around their creation change, making getting rid of them important according to Musk. “Rules and regulations are immortal,” he said. “They don’t die. The vast majority of rules and regulations live forever… there’s not really an effective garbage collection system for removing rules and regulations, so this hardens the arteries of civilization where you are able to do less and less over time.”
Musk was asked about whether or not he supports the subsidies being thrown toward electric vehicles.
“We don’t. So there’s no need for supporting a charging network. I would delete it. Delete. I’m literally saying get rid of all subsidies. I’m literally saying get rid of all subsidies,” he said.
Musk said that when he started Tesla and began rolling out electric cars, there were no expectations of subsidies. The subsidies being cooked up in the BBB plan are a result of General Motors lobbying from them, but Musk reiterated that subsidies do need to die.
He finished off by making it clear that all the government spending happening right now needs to stop. “In general, if we don’t cut government spending, something really bad is going to happen,” said Musk. “This is crazy. Our spending is so far in excess of revenue it’s insane.”
While there is a subsidy for electric vehicles in the BBB bill, Tesla would reap almost none of it since it’s primarily geared toward companies that utilize union labor. This excludes Tesla and other manufacturers like Toyota and effectively making this a payoff to American unions. Moreover, Musk is looking at this bill from the perspective of a business leader and seeing the cracks and pitfalls of the spending our government is doing, labeling it as “insane.” Musk pointed out that the government is “a corporation in the limit” with a monopoly on power and the only corporation that can legally do violence. Considering it’s a corporation that can’t go bankrupt, handing it more money than it actually deserves is a horrid idea.
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I also agree.
Trumps policy of "for every new regulation, 3 will be removed" was a good policy.
The government shouldn't be competing with private enterprise either, because: 1. They have an unfair financial advantage, 2. It's unconstitutional and 3. They are fiscally irresponsible and the People have no oversight or control over the vast government agencies and the unelected (nonrepresenative) bureaucracts that run them that can and does change every 4 years.
It's insanity, I agree.
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Dec 16, 2021 22:34:47   #
drlarrygino wrote:
Nothing on the right is as extreme as those on the left. Our own government has gone extreme left. Fear our government as they will break your door down and lock you up if you don't acquiesce to their demands. The mandate of the toxic W***n jab is just one example of l*****t government overreach and corruption. An unfree press is just another example of far left radicalism. Even businesses are going far left as they fire people for not complying with l*****t government mandates and act like they own your body. Fear the left, not the right.
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There's a word for what our government is doing, with the liberal left in full agreement, and it's "collectivism". Marxist Socialist Collectivism is what they're doing and the L*****ts have been (trying) to do it since about 1932.
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Dec 16, 2021 21:58:38   #
woodguru wrote:
The things the right seems to believe america stands for are all the wrong things...take trump for example, the most bloviated pompous i***t the country has ever had as president...and the right believes that is a good thing?


Conservatives believe, and are correct in believing, that America stands for FREE ENTERPRISE of the People, not Socialist collectivism by the federal government. That's it. Everything else the politicans and media has us bickering about is nothing but a distraction from that fundamental foundation on which this country was founded and became the powerhouse it was until government went beyond it's limited enumerated powers GRANTED by the Constitution.
Free enterprise, or Marxist socialist collectivism...which do you believe is what America stands for?
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Dec 16, 2021 21:34:06   #
Wonttakeitanymore wrote:
We have God on our side!


Yes, and God provides the shovel, but it is up to US to pick it up and start digging!
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Dec 16, 2021 21:30:55   #
JW wrote:
We have to get in the fight, or we lose everything America stands for.

The book is called Smoke Screen?


I agree and yes, that's the name of the book. It was inscribed and gifted by the author to my Great Grandfather (who apparently belonged to and financially contributed to the organization), and we just stumbled on it after moving into his 1910 home.
I looked and saw that there are a few copies avail out there on Amazon. What an eye-opener and makes you understand that when Trump said "Make America Great Again", he was trying to roll us back to pre-depression, pre-Roosevelt, pre-American Socialist Democrat party and THAT'S why the Left attacked him so fiercely.
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Dec 16, 2021 21:02:04   #
lindajoy wrote:
Nicely said and Thank You.. Welcome to the fray of some debate, some intangible skewed slurs and plenty of nice people too..
Hi and thank you! It's good to be back amongst all the nice people here. I had "technical diffeculties" with my L8erToots account so made this new one. Guess you have to take some of the bad with all of the good , lol
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Dec 15, 2021 05:02:30   #
RobertX8Y wrote:
"Even as the mob ran screaming and smashing through the capitol on 6 January , it was clear this was a c**p attempt. It was equally clear that it had been instigated by the then president and his circle, much of whose audience in the “stop the steal” rally would become that mob."

( Quotes are from: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/dec/13/america-witnessed-a-c**p-attempt-now-its-sleep-walking-into-another-disaster )

"That the goal was a c**p is a solemnly horrifying fact. That those who orchestrated it and those who have excused and dismissed it afterward continue to conspire against the rule of law and the right of the people to choose their leaders is another such fact."

"The crisis isn’t just that we had a c**p attempt almost a year ago, but that the Republican party has itself become so venal, so corrupt, so ruthless in its quest for power, that it seems assured that we will see further attempts to overrule any e******n outcomes they don’t like. Already the kind of e******n laws they’ve pushed across the country seem aimed at such goals, and v**er suppression has long been one of their anti-democratic tactics (it played a substantial role in Trump’s 2016 win ...)."

"The Republicans made a devil’s bargain decades ago, when they decided that they would not change course to win the v**es of an increasingly nonwhite, increasingly progressive people, but would try to suppress those who would v**e against them."

"The refusal to recognize the authority of Congress by Trump associates ... is a further sign of their belief ... that they make their own rules."
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The Constitution protects the People's right to challenge their e*****rs and they did on J** 6. It was no c**p, just the people representing the millions of v**ers who demanded a voice to challenge the integrity of the v****g process and results. The "c**p" was attempted and achieved by the e*****rs denying their voices and k*****g one and arresting the others brave enough to challenge the despots in charge.
When, or if, there's a c**p, it won't be instigated by A****a, it will be by Americans woken up to the fact that this isn't their America anymore that they are being ens***ed to support by 70% of their money and 100% of their souls. When they realize they have gotten to the point of fighting for the Country they love against those that are destroying it, it will look nothing like J**6.
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Dec 15, 2021 04:24:55   #
The question was also asked by Samuel B Pettengill, former member of Congress and Chairman of the National Committee to Uphold Constitutional Government and author of "Smoke Screen" in 1940. (Interestingly, he also was a former Democrat, until the New Deal).
In that book he asks, "Are we going to wait until not only our economic liberty but our personal, religious and civil liberties as well are destroyed before we take up the gauntlet of the modern Caesars? And then, will it be too late?"
<I believe we waited and are finally there.>
In answer to the question, I'll quote his book again: "I believe that events abroad and at home are causing a worldwide moral revulsion. I believe that a spiritual renaissance is not far off. I believe the day is not yet lost when the American people will rally by the tens of millions around some leader with the unyielding granite of a Grover Cleveland, inflexible in his defense of "this last best hope on earth".
<And who does that describe?>
"Such is my creed. And I am happier fighting for it than I could possibly be in conceiding the field as lost -
"For how can men die better,
Than facing fearful odds
For the ashes of their fathers
And the temples of their gods"?
And you, who read these lines, will it be said of you with deep rebuke, "Hang yourself, brave Crillon, we fought at Arques and you were not there"? I will answer that. I believe you are going to get in the fight."

Again, I do in all my heart believe we are at the point he describes, and I believe that Trump is also who he describes, and DeSantis, Cruz, Rand Paul and a few others that have stood up recently for the Constitution, can put the Republic back together. I also believe that you and millions of American people, and I, are going to get in the fight.

PS I highly recommend this book for everyone - everything that is being attempted by the now 99% socialist "Democratic" party was attempted between 1932-1940. The attempt to get rid of private banking, shutting down the pipelines and controlling the allocation of oil/gas (are we going to wait until Biden tells us that "essential workers" (ie, v******ted) will have first priority to the limited and rationed gas, or other limited resources due to "the supply chain crisis"?) Using a "constant emergency" - then the Depression, now C***d, and the radio then, (social) media now, to scare us into Socialism.
Biden has once again plagiarized; this time someone else's economic disaster - "Build Back Better" is nothing more than "The New Deal" on steroids. But I digress...the facts of our bloating government in 1940 were staggering and nothing is new, just worse.
Get the $7.50 book...it'll be the best money you'll ever spend.
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Dec 15, 2021 02:17:22   #
Milosia2 wrote:
Liberalism was Embraced by Jesus.
Haven’t you heard ?


But his Father created all of us, including His son, with free will to make our own choice.
Most Americans, of all religions, if put to a v**e, would not choose Socialism.
The choice is clear - socialist collectivism or free enterprise...everything else is just a purposeful distraction.
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Oct 14, 2021 21:50:57   #
Milosia2 wrote:
Please tell me you do understand what I’m saying here.


No logical person thinks your delusions are worth the effort to try and understand.
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Jan 30, 2021 18:00:01   #
JFlorio wrote:
LOL. The guy has some mental issues according to those who know him best. Any lawyer worth his salt will tell his clients arrested at the capital to point the finger at Trump. The impeachment is a sham. You cannot impeach an x president per the Constitution. For all are sakes the excuse that I interpreted what someone said made me commit a crime would be a horrible precedent to set. Agree?


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Nov 12, 2020 04:17:24   #
Comment wrote:
Trump's kids are smarted that your illogical remark suggests u are. Give small minds enough time and they will display their intelligence as u have done here and now. What U are saying is that if U owned a multi-billion dollar business U would not give your children a job. What kind of parent are U?

Not just that, but I'd say that the last 4 years have proved what he was smart enough to understand; his family were the only people he could really trust in the White House.
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Nov 12, 2020 03:50:12   #
jarlaxle wrote:
Thank you for attempting to inform and explain something they'll never understand.


True, they are ALL willfully ignorant and hold nothing but contempt for America.
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Nov 12, 2020 03:37:06   #
TexaCan wrote:
That’s exactly what my husband said, along with we’ll no longer be watching Fox News! Enough of their back stabbing! 🤬

Same here, on both counts, and NOT because "I don't like him" but because it was a f********t e******n.
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