Conservative Dems. Yep. The Klan wasn't a party thing dork. It was a Conservative thing. Get it?? Nobody has said it was a Republican thing. It was always a conservative thing. Why the fuck do you think the conservative Dems switched parties. The South used to be all Democrats. Today it's all Republican. But one thing has never changed. It's always been conservative. You seem to think that all democrats were conservative assholes. They weren't. That's why the conservatives left the party and moved to the Republicans. They were outnumbered by the liberal Democrats from the north, midwest and west. They knew that Republicans would accept their h**e as long as they could win e******ns. That's the t***h and you wouldn't know it if it kicked you in the teeth. So eat it. Bon Apatite.

Right. Walking to and from a store should be off limits to a 17 year old. What on earth was he thinking? :roll:

>"Back in the early 60s I ran into a lot of people who were related to some of those Klansmen "<

You're known by the company you keep.

I know. But we don't have to take part in it. We can choose to reject that. We can purge that from our being. You said, h**e leads to no good for either side and eats at the inside of the h**er. I choose to fight r****m, and my language will get as nasty as it needs to get with those that are showing their overt h**e for others based on race or religion. I'm a tolerant person. But that doesn't mean that I have to tolerate intolerance.

Well, I think what you would want to look at is what is the philosophy or ideology behind any party. That's where you'll find the answers. Just looking at the party doesn't tell you what the party stands for. It might today, but it didn't in the 50's and 60's. Especially back then. Both parties had liberals and conservatives. The South has always been the most conservative part of the country. It wasn't liberal thinking that ens***ed people, or lynched them or denied them their rights. I think we can all agree that liberals favored Civil Rights, and conservatives opposed it. Liberal Republicans and Democrats fought for civil rights. They were always opposed by conservatives. Strom Thurmond was no liberal.

Actually I think he got his information from none other than George Zimmerman himself, who of course told Fox and we all know that Fox would never make anything up or mislead anybody. :roll:

Fox News Wins Lawsuit To Misinform Public – Seriously

Fox News Has a First Amendment Right to Lie – Updated

A Florida Appeals court ruled there is absolutely nothing illegal about lying, concealing or distorting information by a major press organization. The court reversed the $425,000 jury verdict in favor of journalist Jane Akre who charged she was pressured by Fox Television management and lawyers to air what she knew and documented to be false information. The ruling basically declares it is technically not against any law, rule, or regulation to deliberately lie or distort the news on a television broadcast.

So...there we have it. Fox is under no obligation to tell the t***h about anything. They have the right to lie and mislead the public.
And of course everyone knows that George Zimmerman would give a totally unbiased and completely objective account of the events. It's not as if his life as a free man depended on anything. :roll:

If you're referring to me, the answer is no. Not everybody. I'm very selective in that area. I reserve it for r****t assholes. They're deserving of total contempt.

Ja, aber du bist ein Deutch verderber. Nicht war?

Yes, in fact I do. The clothing may change but the h**e always stays the same. Just like conservatism. Once it was democrat. Now it's republican. But the h**e still remains the same.

The "douchebag" does not apply to you. I only look for reasonable minds. I mind that is "convinced" can never be reasoned with. Thanks for your time. :thumbup:

Hora...I don't think you understand that using the N word is totally and completely unacceptable. You'd do well to never use that word again. It's very demeaning and has a history attached to it in this country that you may not be fully aware of.

I'm sorry you don't get it, but it's the t***h. I'll gladly amend the language for you in this case. There are a great many people that seem to think that the Klan and Jim Crow and S***ery and all that crap belongs to the Democrats. On the surface, it would appear that way, but not when you take a close look. I'm old enough to remember the parties at a time when there were both Liberal and Conservative Republicans and Democrats. Being from Illinois, I remember my Republican Senator Everett Dirkson who was Majority leader in the Senate, working with LBJ to pass the Civil Rights Act. We had liberal Republicans back then. Dirkson, Rockefeller, Scranton in Pa, Brooke in MA, Percy in IL. We also had Liberal Democrats like Humphrey, Bob Kennedy, Eugene McCarthy, and a bunch of others.

There were also conservative Democrats and Republicans. Mostly in the South. The Southern Dems were known as DixieCrats, and were unabashed segregationists. There were conservative Republicans as well.

The Dems were people like Strom Thurmond, Richard Russell of GA. and a bunch of others. George Wallace in Alabama was a Demcrat. The South was always Democrat.

But the Civil Rights Act and Civil Rights as a party Platform was adopted by the majority of Dems who were liberals. Strom Thurmond filibustered the CRA and held the record for the longest filibuster. After it was passed, the Southern Dems had no leverage.

Enter Richard Nixon and the Southern Strategy. Nixon appealed to the Dixicrats to come to the Republican party and welcomed them as being the party of God, Guns, and Apple Pie. This appealed to the Southerners, the same segregationists, began to move to the Repubs. The migration was completed when Reagan appealed to them with his States Rights rhetoric which was code for Segregation. For the Remaining Dixicrats that was music to their ears and they moved to the Republican Party where their r****m and hostility would be welcomed. The Liberal Dems had no appeal to them so they switched, and today you see the final product. The South is totally Republican and Conservative as they always were, and the Dems are now the Liberals.

The Conservatism that has ALWAYS been the hallmark of the South had switched parties and that conservatism was now embedded into the Republican Party.

The point here is that although the Democrats in the South were always r****t douchebags, the fact is that they were always conservatives and still are to this very day. They changed parties like you change your socks. But they still put their conservative feet into the sock. Instead of it being a Blue sock, it's now Red. It's conservatism that was always underneath the KKK, Jim Crow, and segregation.

Conservatism is always a reaction to social change.
Situationally, conservatism is defined as the ideology arising out of a distinct but recurring type of historical situation in which a fundamental challenge is directed at established institutions and in which the supporters of those institutions employ the conservative ideology in their defense. Thus, conservatism is that system of ideas employed to justify any established social order, no matter where or when it exists, against any fundamental challenge to its nature or being, no matter from what quarter. Conservatism in this sense is possible in the United States today only if there is a basic challenge to existing American institutions which impels their defenders to articulate conservative values.

The Civil Rights movement was a direct challenge to the existing institutions of the time, and conservatism as an ideology is thus a reaction to a system under challenge, a defense of the status – quo in a period of intense ideological and social conflict.

The very notion of a race of people that was; at our beginnings as a country, only considered to be 3/5’s of a human being, now having equal footing with those that actually believed in this idea, is a direct challenge to a long held social concept. It denied the idea of w***e s*******y as legitimate. It’s surprising how many people still cling to this idea, and will go to extreme lengths to perpetuate it.

The idea that a person that could have been your s***e at one time, could today be your boss, or even President of the United States, is more than some people can deal with on an emotional level. W***e s*******y as an institution is renounced, discredited, and dismantled, and that is a major blow to an existing order, and conservatism is always a reaction to a challenge to an existing order. These are people that desperately need somebody to look down to in order to validate their own self-worth. “Sure, life is tough. But at least I’m White.” They can no longer rely on a policy that used to be institutionally enforceable. When that is removed by law, hostility is the result; hostility for those that have been emancipated by law and elevated to equal status, and hostility for the law itself including those that proposed it and passed it.

Thus, hatred for African-Americans and for the Liberal’s and liberal policies that endorse their equal status is fully embraced by the conservative.

Forget about the parties. They can, and have changed. What's involved here is the difference between Conservatism and Liberalism. The parties today present those two opposing forces like they never have in our history.

And look...not one curse word or obscenity. Imagine that. :thumbup:

Yeah...I know. But damn man. People like him give all w****s a really ugly image. Frank Zappa once said, " Ya know people, I'm not black, but there's a whole lot of times I wish I could say I wasn't white". These jerkoffs make the rest of us look bad.

I have to agree with you. I grew up seeing it, and hearing about it. But when Obama was elected the first time, I actually thought we had finally gotten over the crap that was so ugly. I was wrong. It was still there, but had always been lurking under the surface. After Obama was elected it became completely out front. Nothing was subtle. It was more overt than anything I can remember. The hatred for the guy was irrational. It had nothing to do with policies. Republicans were now rejecting policies that they'd previously endorsed. Once he agreed with them, they turned on their own ideas simply because they could never be seen as agreeing with him on anything. The h**e was, and is, totally obvious. It's ugly and irrational, and it shows just how deep h**e runs in this country.

The proper question to ask is what ideology started the KKK. Parties change. We've all seen that. Even you've seen that. What doesn't change is the ideology that drives the party. Yesterday Conservatism drove the Southern Democrats, known as DixieCrats. Today that same conservatism drives the Republican party. But what has NEVER changed...is the conservatism that is behind that h**e. That's constant. You ask what party started the KKK? Wrong question. What ideology started the KKK. The answer is Conservatism. You know yourself that the Democrats of today are the liberals. The Republicans now own the South and the South has Always been conservative. It was that conservatism that was behind the KKK and Jim Crow, and it's the same fucking conservatism that is behind the r****m we see today. You h**e the liberals because they supported Civil Rights. Liberal Republicans and Democrats. You can't find a Liberal Republican today. They're all Southernized. They're all conservative and r****t to the bone.