No Propaganda --

Looks like you very much Value Family ... and as a corollary ... you also value LOVE in your life ...

By the way ... from my perspective ... Life is Perpetual ... the Physical Bodies are not ... but the Soul who occupies and maintains these bodies is the essence of Life ... the Bodies are simply a vehicle for gaining experience and learning how to face challenges ...
like trying to master challenges that your character faces in today's video games ...

Something else to ponder ...

Thank you for your posting ... May the Blessings Be ... Conrtrarian Guy ...

Larry in Flordia Panhandle ...

Appreciate your exposition of the word "Value" ...

Yes ... there can be many interpretations to this question and I sense you Value "correct usage of words" ...

Thank you for your comments ... enjoyed it very much ...

I have developed a practice of posing questions to myself and taking these questions into Contemplation.

Contemplation is not Meditation where one strives to Still or Quiet the mind and wait to perceive some Insight or Unexpected
Realization ...

Contemplation is the practice of sitting quietly for up to 20 minutes while posing a question to yourself ... When I contemplate,
I first compose a question of interest ... find a comfortable position on a chair or bed or taking a walk ... Pose the Question ...
and then putting attention on my highest self and entering into a conversation with the Source of All ... The results may be
dramatic ... or they may require several such contemplative sessions to arrive at a strong conclusion ... In fact, I have also
learned even if I get an immediate answer ... it makes sense to repeat this process several times to see if the answer is generally the same ... or did I perceive a totally different answer in the end ... A better understanding of the insights this process produces ...

The Question I have posed to myself most recently is one I would like to pose to you ...

--- WHAT IS IT THAT YOU MOST VALUE ? ---

I encourage you to Pose this question to yourself and respond with your personal conclusions ...

I will be doing the same ...

May the Blessings Be !!!

Looking forward to responses ... No judgement ... just sincere sharing and exchanging of insights and ideas ...

From my perspective each individual's world view is legitimate ... no matter which path someone chooses to walk ... What is important is to seek out your own personal understanding of where you are and where you wish to travel ... the choice of path is very personal and to be respected ... and so everyone else should respect the individual's choices ... they are experiencing what they need to experience ... there is a saying "Everything is as it should be at all times" ... this applies to both the individual view point or the overall collective view point ... and underlying the Here and Now is a scenario bringing the experience needed by each individual and the collective whole ... an experience from which clues are available to eventually bring each Soul back to the Heart of the Love of Soul''s creator ... "God" in what ever form you perceive ...

I introduce this topic for the benefit of all who are seeking greater Spiritual Understanding ...

These notes are intended for all who also aspire to gain additional Spirtiual Understanding of your own journey ... it's purpose ...
its benefits ... and its reality ...

No matter whether you are devoutly dedicated to a single "...ism" or an atheist or agnostic (no specific belief) ...

Contrary to popular opinion, the agnostic may be the most ardently seeking answers and most capable of advancing on their own personal Journey ... simply because they are most open to guidance from a variety of sources ... or they could simply be lost in the woods walking in a continuous circle making little to no progress what-so-ever ...

The good news is that each Soul will eventually find what they seek ... but it may take a long time to achieve the goal they seek ...
Note 1: From my perspective, 1) Soul is a real entity ... 2) Soul is immortal ... 3) While immortal, it can suffer or thrive depending
on Soul's individual choices ...

The Spiritual Journey is the most difficult Journey ... it is so difficult simply because there is no real understanding what the actual
goal is ... or how to find it ... all one can do is to continually strive to gain a better grasp of the True Goal and some understanding on how to attain the goal ...

A simplistic analogy of this Journey is found in "The Wizard of Oz" ... Dorothy found herself in a strange world far removed from her beloved Kansas, and was searching for some way to return to her family ... What she never realized until the end of her Journey to seek counsel from the Wizard of Oz that she already possessed the ability to return home in her Ruby Slippers ...

Once again from my perspective ... the Journey of Soul is a Journey demanding action ... not passivity ...

I am starting this topic to gain some insights from each of you on your understanding of the Journey of Soul ...

From my perspective this is the true path to truth and more essential truths ... we talk about Paths and we talk about Religion ...

My understanding is God has offered us many paths to walk in our journey back to God and Its most essential truths ...

Religion on the other hand is an Institution created by Humans which is grounded in a single path or a hybrid of several paths ...
and they end up creating a orthodox point of view ... either comply with this view or be weeded out ... The second aspect of
these orthodox institutions is the fact the priesthood or leadership take upon themselves that they must take on the role of
Intercessors for those in the pews or the masses ... establishing the concept they and only they have the ability to intercede on
behalf of the unwashed ... the unordained ... a concept I totally reject ...

Christianity is not the only religion that fosters these ideas ... Everyone, and I mean everyone who seeks truth is able to converse
with the Holy Spirit, or the Audible Life Stream, or the Source of All Creation any time it wishes simply by turning one's attention
to this voice of God with a sincere heart and understanding ... Ask questions and wait for answers ... know that this Spirit is always present and waiting for you to come to it ...

I converse with the Holy Spirit all the time ... I align my consciousness to Its by chanting HU (pronoounced like the word hue) in a long drawn out breath ... sometimes for a few seconds ... other times up to 20 minutes ... and I sit and listen ... I observe all
around me ... HU by the way is an Ancient Name of God ... Allah HU or Allah HUA ... Allelujia or Hallelujah are derived from this Name ... Hebrew for Praise God ...

I can ask questions ... I can relate concerns ... Often It replys as if we are sitting in conversation in the parlor ... other times
I simply receive what I consider a perception which crossed my consciousness suddenly ... other times my answers come in
the form of Waking Dreams where an unusual experience that I recognize as an answer to what I am pondering ... Let me give you a dramatic example ...

I needed to rent a vehicle to travel to a conference with a number of associates where we were discussion and learning about
a new approach to introducing people to our services ... I had already been given a lot of insight into this approach through
observation of previous approaches ... I strongly felt they were to parochial ... we always made the introduction about our organization ... and the obvious response was "Thank you, but no thank you !!" and the audience quickly dissipated ... The insight
I was given was that we need to ask this audience what their concerns were ... what are they looking for ... ccould they give us
examples ... in other words ... make it about them and not us ... In this manner we could suggest ideas that might help them resolve their issues, or meet their needs, and they would continue to work with us as we work with them on their issues and
needs ... This is the background ...

So I rented this vehicle ... it was a brand new minivan with silver and black color scheme ... it only had a few miiles on its
spedometer ... licensed in the state of California ... So I was off to this meeting with high hopes of steering my associates to a more neutral manner of introducing ourselves as described above ...

The meeting was facilitated by a newly appointed manager ... I was very disappointed because I learned, despite my requesting several weeks earlier to my supervisor that I very much would like to participate in the initial planning, designing, and training of this new approach ... At the meeting I learned that she worked with someone else on this planning, designing,and training, and I had not heard one word about it until this meeting ... It became obvious they were not open to a more neutral view point, but
they wanted to plow ahead with the same basic approach in a new set of clothes—metaphorically speaking ...

Well after this meeting I went out to the rented vehicle ... the vehicle hesitated when I first turned the key a couple of times, but
soon started ... I turned my thoughts to the Holy Spirit and contemplated on the situation as I drove home ... I decided to pull over and get something to drink for the rest of the trip ... when I came out the vehiicle didn't even turn over ... it waa totally
Kaput ... so I called the agency who sent a toll truck out to bring the vehicle back to the yard ... I was beginning to get a clear message while I waited ... My associates were not ready to accept this neutral approach ... they wanted to continue with the
approach they always have used ... and had not even considered other approaches ... And this was totally confirmed when the
agencey brought me the replacement vehicle ... It was the same model vehicle ... same exact color scheme ... except it had
30,000+ miles on the speedometer, was 1 year older, and licensed in a different State - Colorado ...

Once again the message was ... we like our old approaches ... the new approach is a non-starter ... and my associates were still immersed in an older state of consciousness or state of acceptance ... I also felt reaffirmed in my sense that the approach I was
prepared to advocate was the better approach, but the Associates were not prepared to make that leap ...

I give you this real life example to encourage each of you to not to turn your spiritual life over to someone else ... grab the wheel yourself, contact your navigator, the Holy Spirit, ... and take control of your own journey ... Look for your guidance in conversation, dreams while you sleep, and most of all ... those notalble, exceptional experiences that carry a message for you to help you understand your current situation ...

It definitely works for me ...

The God, Lord, Jehovah, ... of the Torah is viewed as a God to be respected and feared (My personal understanding ...) ... Jesus talked about a God of Love, a God that one could privately converse with ... Father is not one of the references to God in the Torah ... nor is their much that speaks of God's great love for Soul in the Torah ...

Using our families as an example ... Does a family shelter their children from all experiences ... or do they encourage the children to venture forth and gain experience in this world—while watching over them at the same time ... This is my view of Soul ... Each Soul has been on a long journey to learn what they are capable of ... gaining new insights on every turn ... learning how to handle tricky situations over and over again until they get it right ...

The movie Ground Hog Day is a great depiction of this journey ... redoing the same day ... day after day ... until he was able to get past his ego, past is foibles, past is arrogance, gain new talents, and learn to help others instead of thinking only of himself ... and in end he finally achieved the goals he sought ... getting it right ... according to his definition ...

The journey of Soul is never ending ... simply learning new truths, learning more about life in general and the destiny of Soul ...

Jesus, in his ministries, alluded to new truths for all to grasp ... was that the complete truth ... no ... but useful steps for mankind while in search of more essential truths ... when faced with a large precipice of a thousand feet, one can not simply leap to the top
in a single bound ... but must move forward one step at a time ... it is the only way to progress to your goals ... and once you achieve your goals, you may realize this is direction is more of a dead end than a step in the right direction ... in which case you move backwards and take another direction at the last fork in the road ... furthermore once you achieve your anticipated destination, you learn there is something more yet to be discovered ... so the journey continues ...

Enjoy the Journey ... all life is immortal ... never dies ... just moves on from one scenario to another scenario ... one video game to another video game ...

May the Blessings Be ...

God, through the Holy Spirit, Its voice, face, and all Its creation, is with one and all as close as their heartbeat ... sees all, knows all ... every action, every thought, every motivation ...

Even though it is ever present, it does not impose on the individual Soul, but awaits each Soul to turn to him first ... for guidance, for protection, to receive Its sustenance when hungry and thirsty ... and that is how it should be ... Because God Loves each Soul more than anyone can comprehend ...

This is my personal perspective and understanding ...

Looks like we are at the end of any substantive debate on this topic ... people believe what they want to believe in this case ... because
not everyone accepts each piece of so called evidence as true or false we are simply arguing based on emotional attachments ...

Suggest we all move on to a more productive debate ...

I would encourage everyone of us to THINK ... before commenting ask yourself :

1) True ... do you know what you are claiming is true based upon your own experience and insight or simply hearsay ...
2) Honest ... Are you being honest with your claim or simply trying to encourage people to your view with partial t***hs ...
3) Inspiring ... Are you inspiring people to accept your view ...
4) Necessary ... Assuming 1, 2, and 3 are answered with a YES ... is it important that everyone hear what you have to say ...
5) Kind ... Is what you say or how you are saying your message Kind ... can be Kind if people truly need to hear the message ...

So THINK people ... and lets try to distinguish between true and false perceptions ... lets try to be open minded and weigh each
claim on the basis on your personal Perspective, Experience, and Understanding ...

And being open minded also means that your understanding may include some ideas that are indeed misleading ...

Once again, one who resorts to name calling and general denigration is simply admitting they have lost the argument ...

By the way ... It is not Trump that scares me ... because his heart and intent is in the right place ...
He is also a highly successful business man who drives the vision and hires great people to implement that vision ... he is not a hands on guy ... he knows how to accept advice and guidance, but also knows what it
takes to make sure His Vision is implemented ...

It is Hillary who is scary ... I don't think anybody really likes her, but those who agree with her Ideology want her in the presidency so they can advance her ideology ... Ideology above all else is important to this crowd ... and she will devastate this country ... she will devastate the judiciary ... she will continue to usurp state rights and totally federalize all institutions in this country ... she will ramp up the flooding of this the country with i*****l a***ns and legally immigrate people who wish to undermine our constitution and way of life such as ISIS infiltrated syrian refugees who desire to do to us what their doing in France and Germany ... and you can not believe a word she says ...

The Clinton's just vowed -- if Hillary is elected, they will no longer accept Foreign Donations, and other similar wording to make
people believe they are going to stop asking for funds for their personal slush fund ... the Clinton Foundation ... Great words ...
every body smile, but as one wise man recently commented ... these words are a signal to all donors of all persuasions to "get your money into our slush fund before the e******n if you want our support" ... This is how this works in the political circles ...

The Clintons are truly Alinski-ites to the core: State the words people want to hear, but use those words as coded messages to
convey a completely different message of deceit to their comrades in arms ...

The system IS r****d against the American citizen for the political gain of politicians ...

Why do you think the Politicians are encouraging i*****l i*********n while preventing the immigration of those who legally apply for immigration to the USA for many years ... It started with the Democrats who need an underclass to depend upon them ... This is the option Ted Kennedy encouraged back in the late 70's early 80's ...

Why do you think the US entered into Free Trade agreements which resulted in the significant loss of our manufacturing base in this country ...

Why did the Republicans sign on to this agenda ...

Why do the politicians promise to change X, Y, and Z while running for re******n and then not do anything about it ... or why does Congress pass a law that requires we build a wall or effective fencing on the southern border including the appropriation of all necessary funds in 2006 and then nothing ever happens ...

It is because the political elite and the donor class supporting them want to have a massive population they can control by tolerating their presence while maintaining their ability to move against them any time
they so desire ... it is something I call Greymail ... they are not being directly blackmailed into compliance, but they might as well be ... by compliance I mean these elite are both protecting them and holding them
down with the thumb of the hand at the same time ... all with the expectation some day these now millions of "Undocumented Immigrants" will be granted citizenship and v**e for the candidates that have supported them -- that is controlled them -- for all these years ...

The Democratic party often cites the philosophy that "one should always take advantage of a crisis" to
further chip away at our not constitutionally given rights, but forcing us to yield away our Inherent Rights
simply do to our existence ... Remember the Constitution Limits the Powers of the Federal Government ...
Not the Powers of the citizenry and the states that comprise this union ...

The Federal Government is slowly but surely breaking the shackles of these Constitutional Limitations in
a conspiratorial manner ... Take the concept of Motor V**er Legislation that required all citizens be allowed to r******r to v**e at their states DMV or DOT or what ever the state calls their vehicle and Driver licensing agency ... at the same time, the law specifies what exact wording is contained on the form ...
Sounds like a great idea ... innocent ...

Now v****g is regulated on a State wide basis ... each State can set their own rules regarding v**er eligibility as long as each citizen is "equal under the law". No second or third class citizen ... you are either a citizen in full or not a citizen at all ... this is guaranteed by the 14th amendment ...

There is really no Federal E******n ... all Senators and Congressional Representatives are v**ed on by each State under their own e*******l process ... when it comes to P**********l and Vice P**********l e******ns, even this is a State Oriented se******n, because the State is electing their E*****rial College Representatives who will v**e for the p**********l candidate who received the most v**es in their state ..

Some states, legitimately concerned about protecting the principle of one citizen one v**e decides that
every v**er should be required to present a recognized Photo ID to validate they are who the claim to be ... but the supreme court has ruled that since the Federal Motor V**er Law has been duly passed and signed by the President it is the law of the land across all 50 states (the 14th amendment again) ... and
because this Federal Law has provided specific wording and no mention of a Photo ID requirement is included in this wording, no state can require that a v**er needs to provide such an ID in order to v**e ...
and Congress has failed to pass a long universally requiring to mandate all citizens must provide a valid, recognized Photo ID in order to cast their v**e ... The underlying premise for this ruling is that even in this day and age a citizen may not possess a valid Photo ID, and this may strip this person's right to v**e ...

Look at Federal EPA regulatory authority, Dept of Education Authority, Look at all the regulations inserted under the Dept of Agriculture Authority ... this is how the Federal Government is usurping the rights of individual States as protected by the 10th Constitutional amendment ...

This is how the Federal Government is grabbing power from the states ... the Feds are now Federalizing Police Depts all over the country ... soon their will be no States, No State rights, except in name only ...

This is only a few examples of how this country is r****d against the American Citizen ...

In another posting under a different topic I outlined a "Pecking Order" which placed the average American Citizen at the bottom of the list in 7th place ...

May the Blessings Be ...

One who resorts to name calling and general denigration is simply admitting they have lost the argument!

Hillary is supported by liberally oriented citizens because they fully expect her to amp up the movement to a more socialistic government ... most of her supporters are all-in on this agenda ...

But they should think about this very carefully ... I am surmising that these supporters will certainly be
celebrating a Hillary presidency ... fully expecting to be one of the favored simply because they helped
electing her ....

This is the rub ... Hillary is a super elitist ... and is only into herself and and her group of close associates ... If you are not one of these close associates, you are simply one of the masses and will be treated like such in a Hillary presidency ...

Do you really want to be just one of the masses in a Hillary presidency?

Compare this vision to the vision being forwarded by Trump ... who is inviting everyone to join him
in rebuilding America with a bold economic plan and tax plan that will benefit everyone ... not just the
Clintons ...

Sounds right to me ... very good depiction of what the Democrats stand for these days ...

"Conformity is the jailer of freedom, and the enemy of growth." the premise of an essay by JFK ...

If we reject a candidate simply because they do not comport themselves in an expected demeanor, then
we are like the man on the roof top described above ...

Here is another story which I often find occasion to retell ...

A local pastor had the routine of walking around his neighborhood on a daily basis ... On his route, there
was an abandon house with broken doors and window, shutters in the process of falling off, the yard has long before gone to weed ...

One day while on his daily walk he noticed a change ... the house had been sold ... soon thereafter, he witnessed the progressive rehabilitating of the property ... Windows, doors, shutters were replaced, the shutters, the roof was replaced, new siding was installed, and a fresh coat of paint made the house like brand new ... the yard was cleared of all weed, new sod was placed down, and maticulously landscaped with effective use of bushes and flower beds ...

After all that was said and done, this became the most beautiful property in the entire neighborhood ...
The pastor decided to introduce himself to the owner responsible for this dramatic t***sformation ... Once the introductions were complete the pastor commented, "Just look at what you and God have created" ... to which the owner—after a dramatic pause replied: Yes ... but you should have seen this place when God
was working alone!

I find lots of lessons in this parable ... first, the pastor was certainly living in the manner expected as a
Christian ... but he simply accepted the presence of an eye sore in his neighborhood, taking no action
what-so-ever to encourage demolition or rehabilitation, nor did he offer to help or encourage the rehabilitation process when it was on-going ... It took a man who was willing to invest his time, money, and energies to take on this task ...

One can look at the conditions in America today as an eye sore in our history ... but what are we—people who believe, embrace, and commune with God—doing to rehabliltate this eye sore. Donald Trump is willing
to invest his time, money, and energies in rehabilitate this eye sore, and we are hesitant to embrace him just because he doesn't comport with our expectation of how a sincere Christian should behave ...

In this coming e******n, only two viable alternatives appear at this time ... Donald Trump appears to be uncouth at times, but if you truly take time to put his statements in the full context he is presenting instead of jumping on a single factual statement as "R****t or Bigotry" ... he appears to be very sincere,
and his actual concern has real merit.

For example, He wants to build a wall to stop the flood of "i*****l i*********n" into this country ... In
the next breath he says he loves the Mexican people ... then states if one is living in this country without
"Legally" immigrating to the US, then they must go back to their country of origin—either voluntarily or
by deportation—and return here legally as long as they do not have a criminal record. It is like a theater
having patrons who sneak into the theater without paying ... if found out they are escorted out, but they
can purchase a ticket and come back in ...

Do you realize thousands of Mexican Citizens have applied for immigration to the US through the legal process, but are not allowed to enter because of Quotas—essentially we are not allowing Legal Immigration, while we promote and facillitate I*****l I*********n ... this is simply criminal ... And I personally believe Donald Trump will see that the opposite is true ... Today the Front Door is locked, and many back doors and windows are unlocked ... Trump will Lock all these backdoor entry points, and unlock the Front Door with appropriate controls in place ...

If Hillary is elected, you can be sure she will do all she can to complete Obama's Amesty Initiatives, and provide all i*****l i*******ts Amnesty and fast track their qualification as v**ers for the purpose to enabling the Democratic Party to dominate e******ns for decades to come ... and we will be d**gged into an increasingly socialistic and eventual communisitic society... that is their long term dream ...

I purposely focused on the i*****l i*********n issue, because it is the most universally relatable at this time ... Trump is a business man, and has many ideas that will spawn a economic boom ala Reagan provided he has the support of Congress and the vast majority of the US Citizens ... He also will fight the
most critical battle of our time ... the Islamic Battle to convert the whole world to the Islamic religion in any way they can ... including force and terror. It is not a coincidence this Battle is coming to a head in the current era ... If Trump is elected, we will have a chance to "rehabilitate" this issue ... If Hillary is elected, The proverbial Jig may be up!


Personal Aside:

This is the critical juncture at this time ... We need a Hero ... and our best hope for that Hero is Trumo ...
And we need to support him on the initiatives that are best to turn this ship around and start sailing in the
direct opposite direction ... and we need to do all we can to make sure it happens ...