oldroy wrote:
Oh well, it is time for you to go to bed so you can listen to the Congressional hearing tomorrow and hear something that Candy Crowley didn't get to screw up.
Multiple choice question.
1) zip has rearranged his life around the hearings on CSPAN.
2) are you fricking kidding me?
Take your time. I know this is a tricky quiz. :-D
oldroy wrote:
Do you remember how Candy Crowley lied during that debate last summer? You sound like you don't but in listening to her I could hear her dong the same thing again.
Why do I sound like I didn't hear what she said during the debate? I heard the debate and she was right. Obama did use the word "terror" in his speech in the rose garden. He said "act of terror" and Romney was trying to say that Obama didn't say "terrorist act". Wasn't the proudest moment of the debates for any of them but there was no outright lie.
I think that she was absolutely right in her interview with Issa. Issa was saying that this agent said that he was getting direction from Washington. The agent was asked if the directions he was receiving were coming from Washington. He said "they could have." That is not the same a simple "yes". Basically the guy was saying he didn't know where these orders were coming from. Crowley was right in calling Issa on it.
Show is the transcripts and let us decide for ourselves what they say. We don't need either of these people interpreting for us.
oldroy wrote:
So you didn't get to read the transcripts that Issa gave to Crowley on CNN? Don't be afraid to look at things like that.
He only gave excerpts and his interpretation of what those excerpts mean. At one point, Crowley even said that what the transcript said didn't match up with Issa's claims.
I don't understand your obsession about my being afraid. Do you think that I'm going to cower in the corner because some government official gets caught doing something bad? If someone does something illegal, they should suffer the consequences, no matter who they are. No one in the country should be above the law.
oldroy wrote:
Damme, I am glad that you didn't carry out your threat of earlier to leave us.
Thanks, but I only plan on responding to things addressed directly to me. I'll not inflict my opinion on other threads. Eventually, this will let me fade away without being rude.
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Tomorrow you will be able to hear the next installment of Issa's investigation if you can get Fox News since they show things like that. It may get pretty good before it is over.
I'd be a lot happier seeing the transcripts than just getting Issa's interpretation of what well-chosen excerpts say. As a wise man once said: "trust everyone, but cut the cards."
oldroy wrote:
Why do so many of you people keep talking about only Cincinatti when other cities all over the nation have mail involved in this kind of activity? I think I may know and it might be the same reason you haven't read the transcripts from Issa that were put forth for Candy Crowley and that would be that you seem to be avoiding looking for fear that you will see something you don't like to see. Take a peek since the transcripts are in a couple or more threads right her on old OPP.
I only mentioned Cincinnati in my response because you only mentioned Cincinnati and the agents in Cincinnati in your question to me. I guess I could have talked about some other random place that doesn't have anything to do with this but why? It isn't because I'm scared of what is going on in those other places its because there's nothing going on in the other places that has anything to do with this.
Also, Cincinnati is the main office where 501(c)4 applications are processed. No matter where your organization might be, the application for 501(c)4 status is going to be processed in Cincinnati (and one other office that I can't remember right now).
I've seen the transcripts (or excerpts of them) and I'm not scared by them. Why would I be?
oldroy wrote:
Do you consider the transcripts that Issa put out on the Candy Crowley show on CNN to be untrue? She did but she had to admit that one of those people have asked for a t***sfer to save his own hide from the orders coming in from DC. Issa is running an investigation that you left leaners will consider a witch hunt when the t***h starts coming out. I bet you still believe that those rogue agents in Cincinnati are to blame for all of this. Of course, you could have known that the original reporter on it has found that every one of them has a different manager and that each of them also has a different manager. Of course, to believe all of this a leaner would have had to be listening to that Fox 19 reporter and surely the word fox makes him a liar.
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I consider the transcripts are probably a true record of what was said. I don't know if the testimony was accurate but, if it was, then that should be verifiable. I think that determination of what happened should meet the standards of civil proceedings which is "preponderance of the evidence" rather than "beyond reasonable doubt" which is the criminal standard.
I think that you should wait to hear someone from the left say that this has become a witch hunt and not put words in their mouths. Of course, if it actually does become a witch hunt (and I don't know that it will) you shouldn't dismiss people when they say so. Things are what they are.
I don't like Issa, but I don't see that what he is doing now is untoward. Sure, being a Republican he is going to overstate anything that he discovers that would diminish the Administration; but that's what we expect and Issa's actions get a big "so what" from me.
Also, I believe that agents in Cincinnati improperly held up 501(c)4 applications from certain conservative groups. Why they did it and under who's authority is what Issa is in the process of finding out. No need to jump to conclusions unless your interest in this is for the sport (as opposed to wanting to know the t***h about what went on).
USpatriot77 wrote:
"Casual way that i dismiss the loss of human life"? You pompous, egomaniac!! I was at the first "gulf war". I have seen some of my friends blow their heads off because our Government was more concerned with how they "looked in the public spotlight". I live with the cost of freedom every friggin" day and then because of low life i***ts like you, I get reminded of why I volunteered to pay that price! The "Freedom of Speech" that you so blatantly abuse is part of that reason.
Have you ever volunteered to give back your sweat and blood to this country? Or, are you just one of the 150 million "l*****t losers" who live off the backs of the rest of the real Americans?
I have over 22 years of "ACTIVE DUTY" service in the Army-I have a college degree in English History, with a minor in Criminal Psychology. So don't even consider playing the education game with me. It's people like you that have allowed i***ts like Obama and his "Circus of Criminal Clowns" to downgrade and destroy this country and put it at the precipice of C*******t takeover from the East.
The majority of the commentators on these sights are vets, Right leaning in their political views and have a true sense of just what "Patriotism" really means? Your side will see this true side of America when the time is right(no pun intended), all though, it will take the "right" to clean up the fiasco that B.O. and his L***hes have created. Have a great day, comrade!
GOD bless the United States of America!
Keep your powder dry and your sights clean, there may be a "l*****t" walking into your site picture real soon!
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I served during Viet Nam. You probably don't remember that but it kind of sucked and it sucked for a long time. I learned then that, even though many of us were willing to volunteer (and I did) and were willing to go into harms way, no President should send troops to die without cause and without support of the American people. Bush knew he needed the support of Americans and he got it by raising the specter of WMDs. He was wrong.
While it is strange to congratulate someone for the war they fought in, at least the Gulf War had the support of America. My war didn't, and my dead friends didn't get the appreciation of a grateful nation. I'm still pissed at that. But, at least we have The Wall now so that they are not totally forgoten.
oldroy wrote:
Bush was to blame for B******i? I thought it was Obama who bombed the Qadaffi people and started Libya on the way to their civil war. How do you get the information that you use to blame Bush with? It seems that the people of the left haven't given up on that one yet.
You just don't pay any attention do you? The discussion was about whether or not Bush was justified in sending troops into IRAQ. Where was there any mention of Bush being blamed for B******i?
Rather than making up stuff that I didn't say that you can flame, why don't you get yourself a second account and use it to post things that you want to go off on. Then use your 'oldjoe' account to flame yourself. That way, you won't have to try to put words into other people's mouths(posts).
oldroy wrote:
In other words, Issa is a liar. Right?
In other words people of the left don't like to hear what is going on with Issa's committee.
I didn't say that Issa is a liar. You said "I bet you think that it had gone too far already." I said "you are wrong" meaning that I don't think that it has gone too far. That seems like pretty simple English to me.
People that are to the left of you (Barry Goldwater would be left of you) are not afraid of the t***h and, as long as Issa keeps his committee from indulging in a witch hunt, we are OK with it. This is contrary to the people on the far right who find t***h to be inconvenient so they just ignore it.
Now, if you leave me alone, I will leave you (and this board) alone.
The Dutchman wrote:
zip98053 wrote:
So, if no one should have to live under totalitarian dictatorship, I suppose that means you think we should go into N. Korea?
zippy,obviously you can't seem to understand that unlike the muslim terrorists that are constantly using suicide bombers to attack us N. Korea has yet to get that stupid! Quit trying to twist what normal folks say to feed your far left wing liberal agenda!
Dutch, there were no Muslim terrorists attacking the US from Iraq. The "normal" person was saying that because Saddam was a bad person, we should attack. It's kind of funny to be rebuked for twisting someone's words when the rebuke had to twist my words to find something to attack.
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Wake up America -- because "not my president" already has a K**L list and uses his drones to his OWN discretion and who has the AUDACITY to think OUR PRECIOUS MILITARY are terrorists! zip98053
lied and tried to say:
Are you saying that Obama is making our troops into terrorists because he had the guts to send in Seal Team 6 to get Osama?
zippy Your as always, just like queenie trying to twist what others say; It's the obozo's lame stream media's
that push the obozo's Hitler stye agenda that have accused Veterans and the Taxes Enough Already party are terrorists.[b]zippy, just what part of this do you not understand?[/quote]
I understand. The right has this thing they made up about Obama putting veterans on some terrorist list. This is wrong but you guys on the right don't care about the t***h because you can use this made up story to continue to keep your delusions about Obama going.
Cheers.
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Know what I wonder? You are new here. You have at least a little education that "took". And you are trying your best to deflect true,but unflattering comments about your ruler, even though it makes you look stupid. Because of that, I have to wonder if you are part of the new group Obama is reported to have formed - I don't know if it has a name per se, but the purpose of the new group is to spy on Americans for their "President" - and I believe the story said this group is a gaggle of American "Muslims".
Obama probably thinks he must control the press, otherwise why spy on them? However, he doesn't seem aware of the obvious - that the entire mainstream media has been cheerleading and deflecting for him ever since he came upon the scene, and to such an extent that they have lost any credibility they may have still had until his popping up into national politics from an obscure and inexperienced background. I think you are one of his hired spies, spying on the American people. Tell us that is not so and convince us.
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Rubbish. I'm not trying to deflect any true comments made about Obama. I just haven't seen many here. All I've seen is the typical, mindless regurgitation of the right wing talking points taken right out of Newt Gingrich's battle plan of the '90s where he told Republicans to use words like Socialist, C*******t, etc. when talking about the opponent. Didn't matter if the opponent was any of these things because the t***h was not as important as winning.
Well, the right has used the slurs against Obama and he still won. That's because the majority of Americans recognize that Obama is not a C*******t, or a Socialist, or a Muslim or any of those other things that the right made up.
I will confess to being ignorant about some things but I'm not stupid. However, I sometimes do stupid things because of my ignorance. One example is posting on this board. I did not know that this was a gathering place for the radical right where t***h had no place. The only thing that matters is indulging in reinforcing each other's warped view of reality.
In spite of your paranoia, I'm not some member of an Obama cadre that is out to squash criticism of Obama. I have some criticisms of him too. However, those criticisms are based on things that have actually happened rather than the delusional stuff I see on this board. It is no possible to discuss the real issues because of the noise level of lies and innuendo here.
I'll go away and leave you folks to your mental masturbation.
SadAmerican4America wrote:
No, where did I say he was "making our troops into terrorists?" And HE didn't have the GUTS to send in the Seals -- those around him did the job for him. He was busy GOLFING and they had to pull him off the golf course, sling a jacket over him to make him look official, and take him to the situation or war room. He had NO CLUE what was going on. Just like he claims he had NO CLUE about all the scandals until he heard them in the newspapers like the rest of us. What the heck is this man doing leading a country when he hasn't a clue about anything?
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What you said was "... who has the AUDACITY to think OUR PRECIOUS MILITARY are terrorists!". That is a very ambiguous statement. What the heck does it mean?
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And he doesn't know what guts are! He doesn't have any. He's a moron! He's inept. He's a disgrace and a dishonor to the United States of America. BO reminds me of "Chance" played by Peter Sellers in the movie "Being There." All his knowledge was accumulated from what he'd seen on television. He's misunderstood and assumed as an elitist, Chance the Gardener, as Chauncey Gardiner; his simplistic utterances about gardening is interpreted as allegorical statements about business and the economy. He is catapulted into the presidency. He's portrayed walking on water -- being a modern messiah. Sheesh! BO IS "CHANCE"!!! LOL
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Its nice that you are able to amuse yourself so easily. He has not dishonored the US and it is only those who are determined to h**e him no matter what who would say so.
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What I'm saying is that O'Pinocchio and his corrupt administration (and he made sure he appointed those as corrupt as himself so they can all protect one another -- and that's obvious now with the present scandals) and his homeland security cronies CLASSIFY our returning vets as "POTENTIAL TERRORIST THREATS," but they refuse to classify the REAL terrorists as terrorists!!!
What rubbish. There was no classification of returning vets as terrorists. There was a report that said that, because of their sk**ls, returning vets could be attractive targets for recruitment by right-wing m*****as. The right-wing m*****as are on terrorist watch lists because they should be.
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Where the heck did you get out of what I said that BOzo is "making our troops into terrorists"??? No, our troops are NOT terrorists! Not EVEN! My husband is an ex Green Beret Special Forces Paratrooper and served his country -- voluntarily. I have unequivocal respect for our military! But BO and his corrupt administration have the nerve to call our troops TERRORISTS -- our RETURNING VETS that have fought and died for HIS DANG FREEDOM!!! HOW DARE HE!! He has no right to even have the title "Commander in Chief." -- of the "CORPSE"-men!!! He can't even SAY THE WORD RIGHT!
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Well, according to the Constitution, he has every right to call himself Commander in Chief. However, he doesn't. The military calls him Commander in Chief because he was duly elected and that's just the way it is. You have the right to say that he doesn't deserve to be Commander in Chief because he is responsible for defending your right to say silly stuff.
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I'm shaking my head in disbelief that Americans STILL hold this man in high regard in spite of the corruption and scandals, his Marxist agenda, his blatant lies, and his disregard for America.
I'm still shaking my head in disbelief that the right keeps repeating its blatant lies about Obama being a Marxist, C*******t, wh**ever. How does the right ever expect the rest of the country to take them seriously when they keep saying these irresponsible things.
Tasine wrote:
To answer your last question, I think the writer refers to the terrorist list which includes veterans and all right wingers, such as the TEA Party, Christians, right to life people - all the decent Americans to be blunt about it.
Are you serious? You think that there's a terrorist list that has veterans and right wingers on it? Except for the right wing m*****as who's members were showing up on watch lists back in the Bush administration, I'd say that you need to show your work. Where is there any evidence to support this really wild conjecture. Please, one link with a verifiable piece of data will do. I hope this isn't one of those, "I just know that it's true" things.