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Nov 20, 2018 09:54:12   #
permafrost wrote:
Go right ahead, I urge you to keep posting..

Gee, thanks, I will. You seem to relish in the feeling of embarrassment, I’m just getting my feet wet.

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Nov 19, 2018 19:56:14   #
eagleye13 wrote:
https://static.onepoliticalplaza.com/upload/2018/11/19/t1-636568-b0_45ca_ba0d_653c119861f2.jpg

That really shows the predicament the Dims are in.
How much longer can they stand her up?

I guess they only need to do it for two more months, then she retires, right?

Then it will be another constitutionalist nominated and confirmed. I hope it will be the woman that was to be nominated if Kavanaugh fell through, I can’t think of her name. It would be hard for the Democrats to parade a bunch of men around in the media claiming she raped them fifty years ago.

Funny how Ford has vanished from the news cycle now that her claims couldn’t be substantiated. Typical of the progressive party, if you can’t serve them anymore, they discard you.
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Nov 19, 2018 18:23:30   #
cund wrote:
Indeed we are, a Republic, why are so many people so ignorant?

Great question, cund.

My question is, why are they so eager to remain so?
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Nov 19, 2018 17:41:41   #
permafrost wrote:
I ran away from nothing..

You are an emotional wreak.. you may even be a sick man/woman..

Lol, an emotional what? Ohhhh... you mean wreck. Nope.

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Trying to create an issue out of nothing is something only a right winger short on discipline would try to do.

Lots of things we can debate about.. fooling around and P****** and moaning about common usage and understanding is simply foolish.

Create an issue out of nothing? It has to do with the title of this topic. A person short on discipline is one who cannot stick to the topic, or defend his position, or wishes to change the subject. Why would I choose to debate any other thing with you, when you cannot even do it with this topic?

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I do not know anything about you? fine same for me..

Not exactly true. I know you like to fish...that you are a 21st century liberal (as opposed to a classical 19th century liberal) and you hoped Bernie Sanders won the 2016 democratic nomination.

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I have no problem with that, why should I care to know more about you??

You shouldn’t.


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Nov 19, 2018 16:48:01   #
permafrost wrote:
You need to vent your frustration on some sort of real issue..

Going nuts over a non issue serves nothing..

Pick something current that matters, it is not hard to do..

Damn, looking back i see what your concern is about.. the words Democratic party and democracy are so similar it upsets you..

Lord, who would have thought that possable... of all the little child concerns... wow, you right wingers are indeed something else..

You remind me of a fellow on OPP few years ago who would not accept a quote from progressive insurance because of the name.. would not even look..

what a group... hard to think people like that even exist, yet here you are.. darn..
You need to vent your frustration on some sort of ... (show quote)

Please sir, spare me your dime store psycho analysis. You know nothing about me, until I tell you. You are the one who ran away from my challenge, because you cannot prove your position. You’re mistaking anger for amusement. Just because you knock over all pieces and poop on the board doesn’t mean you won the game.

I have no problem with the word democracy at the local and state levels. It is when people, uneducated about their country’s form of government, speak as if they know what they’re talking about, I take issue.

Didn’t it strike you as odd, when you posted your cut ‘n paste from Wikipedia, they never mentioned the United States? Lol

Thank you for enhancing my point.


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Nov 19, 2018 15:04:19   #
Nickolai wrote:
We are a Democratic Republic.

Oh brother, another one....

How about you, Nickolai ... can you show me where that definition is provided? Other than by you of course.
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Nov 19, 2018 14:27:21   #
permafrost wrote:
I totally fail to see why you find the nomenclature thing so important..

Seriously? I’ve stated why a couple of times. You must be just skimming my posts.
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Get involved in Shyrill sea-shed.. that seems more current.. and probably more followed by our citizens..

I have no idea what it is you’re trying to tell me about, I googled it, and found nothing relating to anything we’ve discussed. Do you have a link?
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But if it helps you sleep better, by all means call it what you wish, no one in the wold seems about to change the discription of the United States.. Yet..

Actually they are. It is people like you, Airforceone, some politicians, academia, and media personalities, by using incorrect terminology. Democrats would revel in the opportunity to have the word democracy added to the definition because, by definition, it breeds more authority.
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this is the limit of my looking at this..

Really? Because all I asked for you to do is quote any of the Framers advocating that the American form of government be that of a democracy, of any form. The Adams quote you provided has nothing at all to do with my request. I suspect you don’t have any idea where it comes from, or why it was said. I don’t blame you for throwing in the towel though, it was an impossible task.
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I have better things to do, like rant at the tax people for demanding more money from 2014..my day is filled.

Ahh, the Obama IRS screwed you over huh? That sucks, I wish you luck.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_republic

A democratic republic is a form of government operating on principles adopted from a republic and a democracy. Rather than being a cross between two entirely separate systems, democratic republics may function on principles shared by both republics and democracies.

Theory
Common definitions of the terms democracy and republic often feature overlapping concerns, suggesting that many democracies function as republics, and many republics operate on democratic principles, as shown by these definitions from the Oxford dictionary online:

Republic: "A state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives..."[1]
Democracy: "A system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives."[2]
Eugene Volokh of the UCLA School of Law notes that the United States exemplifies the varied nature of a democratic republic—a country where some decisions (often local) are made by direct democratic processes, while others (often federal) are made by democratically elected representatives.[3] As with many large systems, US governance is incompletely described by any single term. It also employs the concept, for instance, of a constitutional democracy in which a court system is involved in matters of jurisprudence.[3]

As with other democracies, not all persons in a democratic republic are necessarily citizens, and not all citizens are necessarily entitled to v**e.[4] Suffrage is commonly restricted by criteria such as v****g age.[5]

History
In the US, the notion that a republic was a form of democracy was common from the time of its founding, and the concepts associated with representative democracy (and hence with a democratic republic) are suggested by John Adams (writing in 1784):

No determinations are carried, it is true, in a simple representative democracy, but by consent of the majority or their representatives.[6]

Historically, some inconsistency around the term is frequent. China claims to be the oldest of Asia's democratic republics, though its recent history of democratic process is largely linked only to Taiwan.[7] Likewise, Africa's oldest democratic republic, Liberia (formed in 1822), has had its political stability rocked by periodic violence and c**ps.[8]

Global use of the term
Many countries that use the term "democratic republic" in their official names (such as Algeria,[9] Congo-Kinshasa,[10] Ethiopia,[11] North Korea,[12] Laos,[13] and Nepal[13]) are considered undemocratic "hybrid regimes" or "authoritarian regimes" by the Economist Intelligence Unit's Democracy Index[14] and "not free" by the U.S.-based, U.S.-government-funded non-governmental organization Freedom House.[15] In addition, East Germany was also officially known as the German Democratic Republic, but, like the Somali Democratic Republic,[16] the Democratic Republic of Vietnam, the People's Democratic Republic of Yemen, the Democratic Republic of Afghanistan and the People's Democratic Republic of Ethiopia,[17] was controlled by a bureaucratic government espousing Marxism–Leninism.[18]

There are also countries which use the term "Democratic Republic" in the name and have a good track of general e******n and were rated "flawed democracy" or "full democracy" in the Democracy Index, such as the Democratic Republic of Timor-Leste and the Democratic Socialist Republic of Sri Lanka.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_republic ... (show quote)

I knew you would laser focus on that one sentence of mine. When I finished writing it, I told myself to be more specific. I should have finished by saying; not sure one exists with a sizable population, that hasn’t eaten itself in a short period of time, or bulldozed its citizens in some way, shape, or form; but thanks for the cut’n paste.
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Nov 19, 2018 12:29:55   #
permafrost wrote:
Critic,

My point has nothing to do with what the actual form our political system is..

it is a republic.. a democratic republic..

No, it is not a “democratic republic”, not even sure if such a form of government even exists. Our form of government is a republic.. a federated republic. I challenge you to find me a quote, any quote, from any one of the framers stating that the American form of government they crafted was/is to be called a “democratic republic”. Each and every state is a republic unto themselves, each granting the “federal” government limited powers, while all other powers were/are retained by each state, or the people; 9th & 10th amendments. The individual states form a confederation of republics bound by the constitution. (E pluribus unum) Out of many, one. (the motto of the US).
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our founding fathers were scared that an uneducated majority was as big a risk as the very rich and kings of Europe..

Actually, what they were afraid of was “the excesses of democracy” - research the term. Also look into, “Instructions of the Inhabitants of Malden, Massachusetts to their Representatives in Congress" on May 27, 1776. Then move on to the “Essex Result”. (Report of the 1778 Convention of the towns of Essex County, Massachusetts) also (1776 Pittsfield Resolution) and (The Federalist, particularly numbers 17, 32, 33 and 83 by Hamilton and numbers 39, 40, 41 and 45 by Madison)
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My question is why a sliver of the right cares about terminology so much..

I don’t know why you refer to it as a sliver, I think you would be surprised at the amount of people that care. And, it’s because of accuracy of terminology. It matters that future generations understand and comprehend their form of government, so that future generations of ignorant progressives are not able to hoodwink the uninformed.
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In our world today.. the United States is called a Democracy every day, by all sorts of government and media types..

You’re absolutely correct, they do, and both parties are to blame, which is why it is important to correct the ignorant masses. Just because it is repeated so often, doesn’t mean it is correct, or the right thing to be doing.
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It seems to be not even an issue in the world, only general accepted terms... I do not care, why should anyone..

Perhaps it is not an issue to the world, but I don’t particularly care what the rest of the world calls our form of government, their opinions mean absolutely nothing. Citizens of this country should care, especially anyone who takes an oath to defend this country and its ideals.
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While it is important to know the text book definition of our type of government,

If you think it important to know the definition of our form of government, then why wouldn’t you invest the time to learn it yourself?
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I see no point at all in insisting the term "Democracy" be dropped when defining our nation..

I’ll agree to that when you can show me where in our founding documents, the word democracy is used to define our form of government. In order for the word to be dropped from somewhere, it must actually exist somewhere.
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The United States is "the oldest democracy" in the world.
— Paul Ryan on Sunday, June 26th, 2016 in a TV interview

And do you recall that he was lambasted for making such an ignorant statement? Apparently he never read anything about Ancient Greece.
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Nov 18, 2018 20:31:13   #
permafrost wrote:
Can you explain why we are called a democracy???

I could, but somehow I don’t think you would even care to learn. If I’m wrong let me know and I’ll take a stab at it.

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For over 200 years, we are called a democracy, every day, in every nation, by every brand of politician.

No, not for 200 years, closer to 70. One president in particular started it, and somehow it stuck, and every nation, and every brand of politician has been wrong, including every academic, newspaper, magazine, or media personality.

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remember Bush/cheany and spreading of Democracy??

Sure do. They were trying to introduce the notion to the citizens of countries run by dictatorships, monarchies, or oligarchies. Though I don’t know why, because a democracy isn’t much better than any of the other three, democracies ultimately lead to tyranny.

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the term is an every day usage..

And it’s incorrect. Just because it is used every day, doesn’t change the facts.

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Why do care so much about semantics??

Semantics? The difference is apples and oranges. The taste, the texture, the size, the color, the amount of juice you get from each one squeezed is all different, but because they both grow on trees, you think they are the same. Fact is, the two forms of government are the very antithesis of each other.

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what do you think the right is gaining by demanding different terminology?

It’s not about gaining anything. It’s about accuracy, but I suspect that anyone who quotes memes from “occupy democrats” doesn’t care much about accuracy.

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What makes you think the present terminology, used for over 200 years should be changed???

Because it hasn’t been used for over 200 years. If you read the constitution, specifically article 4, section 4, you will see where you are wrong. In point of fact; any new state that forms and wishes to be part of the United States, MUST, have a republican form of government.

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what is your problem... express your point..

I’ll express my point further if you can show me the word democracy, in either the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, or the Bill of Rights.
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Nov 17, 2018 21:32:58   #
archie bunker wrote:
He's a very angry person who isn't worth the time, and effort. I'll leave it right there....

Understood. That’s good enough for me, sir, thank you.
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Nov 17, 2018 19:57:43   #
archie bunker wrote:
A democracy is three Airforceones, and two mothers deciding what the age of consent for sex with little boys should be.

Archie, I’m sitting here shaking my head at this Airforceone character. You have been with OPP for a long time so I figure you may know this character fairly well. Is he worth the time to educate, or would it be a futile attempt? He’s really out there... and seems like an angry individual.
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Nov 15, 2018 08:08:39   #
proud republican wrote:
Why are Dalmatians are always associated with Fire Houses????

It goes back to the days when fire trucks were horse drawn wagons. When an alarm came in, the dogs would go nuts, barking their way out of the fire station letting pedestrians know the fire wagon would be coming and to stay clear of the road. One of my favorite breeds.
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Nov 15, 2018 07:18:13   #
EmilyD wrote:
That's all well and good, but at the end of the day the black eyes and bruises tell the real story. He tried to walk it back by saying she hit him first. Look at pictures of this couple. She hit him first?

I posted that just so we could all see what he might be facing, and to see the difference in how certain people are treated under the law, meaning, that with his somewhat celebrity status and his career as an attorney, would the wobbler effect come into play, I think it would.

But this case has already seemed to take turn...

Lisa spoke out, telling CNN reporter MJ Lee that the story was “a lie” and that she doesn’t believe Michael would be capable of such an attack.

“I haven’t see Michael in months. It’s a complete fabrication. It’s a lie. It’s all a lie,” she said. “Bruises on my face? It is insanity. He wouldn’t hit anybody. Especially a woman. He’s got two daughters”
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Nov 14, 2018 21:01:51   #
EmilyD wrote:
For domestic violence! Wow.


He was arrested for felony domestic violence....

When a person is arrested on a domestic violence offense, he or she can ultimately be charged with either a felony or a misdemeanor depending on a number of different factors. There are significant differences between felony and misdemeanor level offenses in California and cases that start out as felonies can sometimes be reduced to misdemeanors. It is important to understand the differences between a domestic violence felony and misdemeanor offense and what these differences mean to those who are facing charges.

A felony is the most serious level of criminal offense in California. Those who are convicted of felonies can be sentenced to serve time in a California state prison facility. A person can be convicted of a felony and be placed on formal probation for a specific period time. The judge can impose up to a year in jail as a condition of the felony grant of probation. A felony conviction carries significant consequences, including the loss of v****g rights, and having a felony conviction on one’s record may preclude people from being considered for many jobs and housing opportunities.

Misdemeanors are defined as crimes that are punishable by up to one year in county jail. Many people convicted of misdemeanor level offenses are placed on informal probation and may have to serve some time in jail as a condition of probation. Misdemeanors can also carry collateral consequences and will remain on a person’s record unless and until the conviction is expunged.

Certain felonies are considered “wobblers,” which can be charged as either felonies or misdemeanors. Prosecutors will consider the facts of the case and the defendant’s criminal record when determining what level of criminal charges to file. In some cases, the judge may reduce a felony to a misdemeanor under California Penal Code Section 17(b) PC when the offense is a wobbler.

In many domestic violence cases, the defendant will be arrested on suspicion of corporal injury to a spouse in violation of California Penal Code Section 273.5 PC, which is a wobbler offense. Prior to the defendant’s arraignment date, the detective assigned to the case and the filing Deputy District Attorney will review the case and decide what level of charges to file. Typically, a prosecutor will file felony charges when there are injuries or where the defendant has a history of domestic violence offenses on his or her criminal record. Punishments are often increased when the victim suffers serious bodily injury as a result of the defendant’s conduct.

https://www.losangelescriminallawyer.pro/domestic-violence-felony-vs-misdemeanor.html
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Nov 13, 2018 00:35:31   #
padremike wrote:
How in wide wide world of sports did a suggestion put forth as an obvious spoof get taken so seriously and how many times do I have to say there was nothing serious to be taken? Good grief! Holy moly!

I knew you were kidding around. I just wanted to acknowledge your point, and offer another option. All I really intended for you, was the last part beginning with the paragraph containing the only link. The rest is for any other readers, I just thought it proper to post the entire article because it was germane to the topic.

Too much?
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