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Mar 31, 2024 09:48:51   #
DASHY wrote:
Advocates of tax cuts argue that reducing taxes improves the economy by boosting spending. Those who oppose cuts say they only help the rich and reduce the government services on which lower-income individuals rely. Regardless of opinion, tax cuts reduce government revenues and lead to budget deficits or growth in government debt.

History suggests that lowering taxes leads to capitalists getting more take-home money. How do you see how lowering corporate taxes can lead to lowering the price of necessities?
Advocates of tax cuts argue that reducing taxes im... (show quote)


The Trump tax cuts increased tax revenue all the way thru 2022. Look it up.
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Mar 31, 2024 08:15:14   #
Weasel wrote:
Ukraine has been beaten so many times and have lost every chance to stay in this fight.
Good Ole American Tax Dollars 💸 keep streaching out the inevitable while making millions off of dead and rotting corpses that litter the battle fields. Estimated 550,000 Dead Ukrainian, So called Soldiers fill the air with the Putrid Stench of Death.


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Mar 31, 2024 08:13:56   #
DASHY wrote:
What policy changes do the MAGA crowd propose that might lower the cost of necessities?


Tax cuts for everyone, especially corporate tax cuts!!
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Mar 31, 2024 08:12:46   #
ACP45 wrote:
Permi,
Check out the paper by Drs. William Happer and Richard Lindzen, professors emeriti at Princeton University and Massachusets Institute of Technology, respectively, entitled "Challenging "Net Zero" with Science". After reading their Executive Summary, I was fascinated by the following two points:

• Eliminating f****l f**ls and implementing Net Zero policies and actions mean the elimination of f****l f**l-derived nitrogen fertilizers and pesticides that will result in about half the world’s population not having enough food to eat. Many would starve.

• The adoption of Net Zero is the rejection of overwhelming scientific evidence that there is no risk of catastrophic g****l w*****g caused by f****l f**ls and CO₂. Net Zero, then, violates the tenets of the scientific method that for more than 300 years has underpinned the advancement of western civilization.

MY COMMENT: The Bill Gates and other world elites (aka G*******ts) are focused on reducing the worlds population and centralization of power. They use "c*****e c****e/g****l w*****g/environmentalism" as an excuse for centralization since at least 1972 when the Club Of Rome published a treatise titled ‘The Limits Of Growth’. Their goals were rather direct. They wanted:

A rationale for governmental control of human population numbers.
The power to limit industry.
The power to control energy production and dictate energy sources.
The power to control or limit food production and agriculture.
The ability to micromanage individuals lives in the name of some later defined “greater good.”
A socialized society in which the individual right to property is abandoned.
A one-world economic system which they would manage.
A one-world currency system.
A one-world government managing a handful of separate regions.

https://nicholascreed.substack.com/p/challenging-net-zero-with-science?r=16xjwn&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&triedRedirect=true

https://co2coalition.org/publications/challenging-net-zero-with-science/
Permi, br Check out the paper by Drs. William Happ... (show quote)


And the warming will continue at the exact pace it is occurring now.
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Mar 30, 2024 23:16:11   #
slatten49 wrote:
You shouldn't concern yourself if you offended the snowflakes and cupcakes that frequent the other side of the aisle, Rascal. Many only know how to dish it out, but can't take being challenged with t***hs, facts, logic and/or reason other than their own.


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Mar 30, 2024 22:48:05   #
Oldsailor65 wrote:
2 Indians


Both look like horses. The bar tender asks, "Why the long faces?"
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Mar 30, 2024 22:35:21   #
Ted_68 wrote:
Thanks, I still don’t care what the hell you have to say


Permy is WAY over his head on this topic. It is true science and requires true objective thinking.
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Mar 30, 2024 22:34:28   #
Ricktloml wrote:
Most usually you can dumb-luck yourself into getting something/anything right at least once. Not L*****t ideology...it is so evil...it fails-every-time-it's tried. And fails in a vicious/murderous/oppressive way to boot...every time


That's because they don't care about being right, they just want their ilk to follow all their tripe and they will. they refuse to think objectively.
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Mar 30, 2024 19:21:07   #
Ricktloml wrote:
it is rather astounding that these climate alarmists have yet to get 1 prediction right...yet people still swallow their tripe


And without chewing!!
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Mar 30, 2024 12:50:42   #
Ted_68 wrote:
Volcanism and sun cycles . I just solved c*****e c****e . Think I need a beer after all that work


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Mar 30, 2024 12:48:46   #
permafrost wrote:
The CO2 is simple. the gas and heat work together. CO2 can and does result in heat being retained, as the heat builds the air will contain more CO2 and the cycle keeps on rolling... Much better explanations than mine are very easy to find.. if you wish the information..

Methane being released is a result of warmer climate and is perhaps the most serious of the upcoming trends, water vapor is perhaps the most efficient of all at retaining heat, but it does not stay in place condenses and becomes rain and grows the green stuff which uses CO2, becoming a net good guy for the humans who still cling to this earth..
The CO2 is simple. the gas and heat work together.... (show quote)


You aren't coming close to addressing the CO2 issue. Sorry but I don't think it is in your realm of understanding, no offense. The percentages of radio isotope carbon 13 in very specific for CO2 from burning f****l f**ls and from other natural sources. Simply put, the CO2 from natural sources is on the rise dramatically and the CO2 from burning f****l f**ls is decreasing. If man burning f****l f**ls is producing the cO2, then the CO2 from burning f****l f**ls should be on the rise.

Anyway, . . . .
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Mar 30, 2024 10:20:30   #
permafrost wrote:
Just for a quick skim....

https://www.edf.org/climate/9-ways-we-know-humans-triggered-c*****e-c****e

Breadcrumb
HomeOur workClimateThe problem What causes it
9 ways we know humans caused c*****e c****e
Most Americans recognize c*****e c****e, but some are still unsure about its causes.

Tens of thousands of scientists in more than a hundred nations have amassed an overwhelming amount of evidence pointing to a clear conclusion: Humans are the main cause of c*****e c****e.

We're the ones who burn f****l f**ls, produce livestock and clear trees, increasing the amount of heat-trapping gases in the atmosphere.

It's like the smoking-cancer link
No one questions the link between smoking and cancer, because the science was settled in the 1960s after more than 50 years of research.

We can think of the state of human activities and c*****e c****e as no different than smoking and cancer.

In fact, we are as confident that humans cause c*****e c****e as we are that smoking causes cancer.

Scientists have no doubt that humans are causing g****l w*****g.

Ilissa Ocko
Ilissa Ocko, Climate Scientist
So what's the evidence?
The research falls into nine independently studied, but physically related, lines of evidence:

Simple chemistry – When we burn carbon-based materials, carbon dioxide (CO2) is emitted (research beginning in the 1900s).
Basic accounting of what we burn, and therefore how much CO2 we emit (data collection beginning in the 1970s).
Measuring CO2 and other greenhouse gases in the atmosphere and trapped in ice to find they are increasing, with levels higher than anything we've seen in nearly a million years (measurements beginning in the 1950s).
Chemical analysis of the atmospheric CO2 that reveals the increase is coming from burning f****l f**ls (research beginning in the 1950s).
Basic physics that shows us that CO2 absorbs heat (research beginning in the 1820s).
Monitoring climate conditions to find that the air, sea and land is warming, as we would expect with rising greenhouse gas emissions; as a response, ice is melting and sea level is rising (research beginning in the 1930s).
Ruling out natural factors that can influence climate like the sun and ocean cycles (research beginning in the 1830s).
Employing computer models to run experiments of natural versus human-influenced simulations of Earth (research beginning in the 1960s).
Consensus among scientists who consider all previous lines of evidence and make their own conclusions (polling beginning in the 1990s).
Just for a quick skim.... br br https://www.edf.o... (show quote)


There are several questions which have to be resolved for all of this to be believed and therefore we shoudl scrap our economies to "save the planet," no matter how many claim to agree with it or not. 100% of doctors once thought that high cholesterol caused heart disease but we now know it is a result of heart disease, not the cause, although some doctors STILL use the old thinking and prescribe statins to lower cholesterol that is very close to the normal range anyway.

Those questions are:

Why is the CO2 levels in the ice cores not rising prior to the warming periods and only after warming began, sometimes as long as 1000 years of lag behind warming???

How much effect can a green house gas have on temp if it is only 0.24% of the entire atmosphere??? Certainly physics say a jar of CO2 will heat up more than a jar of atmosphere. But that jar is 100% CO2, not 0.24% of it.

Why doesn't the isotopic signature of CO2 in the atmosphere match with that of f****l f**ls and why isn't that isotopic signature not increasing to be an even better match of the isotopic signature of f****l f**ls when, in fact, the isotopic signature of atmospheric CO2 is becoming even less of a match to the isotopic signature of f****l f**ls. If man released CO2 is the cause of warming, why isn't the isotopic signature of Co2 becoming even more of a match to that of CO2 from f****l f**l burning??

And I'll add another, why are some scientists now claiming that they NEVER claimed rising CO2 levels was the cause of warming, but now say the rising CO2 levels are just reinforcing the warming?

But what about all those thousands of scientists and countries who believe that man burning f****l f**ls is the cause of g****l w*****g?? What about them??? Well, I don't know. But millions believe all sorts of things that are totally bogus and unbelievable, much of which is backed up by the "experts' in those areas. Everything from religious beliefs to old wives tales to superstitious nonsense. The world cannot base its scientific understanding on the "beliefs" of any group what so ever. BTW, we also know that the 97% consensus about g****l w*****g has been debunked. I saw the survey they used to draw that conclusion. It asked if there was even a 5% chance that warming was caused by man, or a 10% chance or a 20 percent chance and on up to a 100% chance. Even those "scientists" who chose the 5% chance were placed in the 97% groups who claimed that man is causing the warming.

So, we are NOT as confident that man is causing g****l w*****g as we are that smoking causes lung cancer. Not at all. That is simply NOT true.


Based upon these unanswered questions, there is every reason to think that the warming is part of a natural phenomenon of earth warming and cooling. And, the fact is that permafrost is melting and ice is melting from warming beneath it. Greenland melting is a testament to that fact. And look at how much permafrost there is to melt. Consider the sheer size of the Siberian wilderness and its permafrost covering. The gas emitted as permafrost melts is methane which is 25 times more powerful of a green house gas than CO2. And don't forget about plain old water vapor. It is hundreds of times more powerful of a green house gas and as warming occurs, it is also increasing on a world wide scale.
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Mar 29, 2024 18:09:41   #
permafrost wrote:
sorry, a bit bushed at the moment, will repeat some of the best known facts for you later..


Please do.
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Mar 29, 2024 16:06:35   #
permafrost wrote:
this is one of the dumbest articles ever printed...

More tender thoughts in a day or so , maybe... have a nice evening..


IOW, it is over your head.
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Mar 29, 2024 13:34:28   #
Kevyn wrote:
The object of a forum of this nature is to expose people to numerous points of view and reflection on those views. The people that reply to posts with NWR or TDS or the ever popular third grade “I am rubber you are glue responses” are simpletons who are looking for a mutual masturbation club, an echo chamber of ignorance. If you want to join a right wing r****t circle jerk I suggest “t***h social.” There you can happily wallow with fellow MAGAots in a cesspool of self deception and h**eful ignorance.
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You should forward that to Rachel Madcow at MSNBC.
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