I real health human being involved in this Wilson controversy might very well have said without losing face " I'm sorry if the widow was offended. I certainly meant no offense to someone who lost a remarkable husband who was valiantly defending his country". No need to attack the Congresswoman, no need to make himself sound better than past presidents, no need to dishonestly say he sends letters to all gold star relatives and spouses, no need to smear Obama. The incident would have disappeared like the morning due, unless Trump wanted to sow more d******e seeds. No need for Trump to become the moon baying back as the Congresswoman says..

Well obviously I am witnessing some of the dumbest people in the world. Call them millennials, etc, call them any demographic you want. The fact is this and it applies to everything. This statement applies to conservatives, liberals, and what ever group you or anyone belongs to. It doesn't matter if you are from the right or the left. It doesn't matter if you are male or female or what ever you think you are, this highlighted statement applies to all of you. And I am now calling my party, the conservatives dumb. I'm calling the left dumb and psychotic, but dumb none the same.

Now that I've offended all of you and before I declare this statement, I request you examine and dissect this statement as much as you all do. Because I hear on the news, and on this forum, a lot of complaints yet no one has yet presented a comprehensive solution to the problems that we all complain about. Look at this topic as proof of what I am saying. Since you can't understand my plain English as was presented in a logical form maybe you can listen to a founding father that has a message to all of you. The founding father's name is Thomas Jefferson.

You say, "There is {place your ism here}, and its an evil that must be solved." I ask "Show me the solution", and the answer is never given. So now I will write what was written by Thomas Jefferson, and this is the reason why you complain yet do nothing!!!!!!!!!

"that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are suffer-able, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."---Thomas Jefferson, The Declaration of Independence.

It seems to me that all Americans enjoy to suffer, than to abolish the cause of why they are suffering. Incidentally, if you seek the common sense solution to all these problems you complain about, you will be called, a******l. And if you had the money to push it, You too will be ridiculed just like the man you are ridiculing, President Mr. Donald Trump. Like him or h**e him, he feels that the abuses of the lobbyists, the abuses of NFL Players, the abuses of A****a, and the abuses of any extremist group liberal, conservative, or progressive, are too much.

You would rather see the Country destroyed, than to fix the problem causing the pain in Lady Liberty.

STOP IT! Find solutions to the problem, don't make more problems!

It is one thing to explore ideas. It is another thing to disrespect your homeland and kneel before an idol that represents all of us. If you don't want the freedom of the United States, then leave. Its that simple. If you feel police abuse people, solve the problem in a logical, simple way that all can follow. Don't be stupid. It is really dumb, to have a squeaky wheel and not put oil on it.

We call the squeaky wheel "r****t", "bigots", etc. But these labels do nothing. We condemn words left and right on one hand, saying that "words hurt", yet on the other hand we use these words for greedy and selfish means. But after all the breath is used up, and all the wind has blown, the land remains in the same condition as it was before the breath says anything. So all the words written here, either by you Pete, or by Me, (sorry to pick on you Pete but you usually respond) do nothing. And all these useless words are given up to antiquity for nothing. What a wasted effort!

E******y with out freedom is s***ery! Kepernick has got to understand that! One side, liberal or conservative will agree that the noise surrounding an amateur before he attempts to act, or a child in the back of the room that is drowned out by the noise of opposition, who says, "Hey I got an Idea", but is drowned out. The liberals and conservatives both will shout, "Let Him Speak".

With that being said, I say, "YOU HIPPOCRATES" You want the small child in the back of the room getting drowned out by the opposition allowed to speak, yet you will not let Trump act. You call him all kinds of names, you make all kinds of threats, but you don't let him do his job. What exactly do you want him to do? Nothing?

So this is what I say to all those who protest irresponsibly, you are dumb and "that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."

A s***e will rather suffer than right themselves by being free.

Kneeling before the national anthem is accepting the s***ery of the evil. By standing for the national anthem, you refuse to accept s***ery of any sort.

Kapernick if you choose to kneel, then you are a s***e. Kneeling is the universal world-wide symbol of s***ery. Anyone who follows Kapernick's example is a s***e. By standing you declare you are not a s***e. So if the liberals who support you or accept this gesture of disrespect, you are throwing away your freedom, to be free. You cannot be equal if you are a s***e. You cannot be equal with double standards. You cannot be equal by being a hypocrite.

This is my final statement on any subject concerning kneeling for the National Anthem, the fan's response, or the backlash of the fan's response. You are all dumb.

A little education can go a long way, try it.

Although the vast majority of the 55 members of the Constitutional Convention were affiliated with the major Christian  churches of their day (and would have probably have considered themselves Christian), the number of them that fully accepted the major tenets of the Christian faith is uncertain.  A careful reading of many of the Founders’ public and private communications demonstrates they had the following in common: (1) belief in a personal God, (2) familiarity with the Bible, and (3) belief in prayer.  But acknowledgement of Christ as their personal Savior and acceptance of the other commonly held Christian beliefs is less manifest.
Many secularists today claim that instead of being Christians, the Founders were deists.  But there is even less support for mere deism than there is for Christianity.  Deists believe in the existence of a creator God, but do not believe He intervenes in human affairs.  Contrary to believing in an indifferent Creator, most of the Founders took the position of the Theist—that prayer is important because God intervenes in the affairs of mankind.  Even a casual reading of the writings of Founders such as George Washington, Alexander Hamilton, Benjamin Franklin, and John Adams demonstrates this.

http://greatamericanhistory.net/blog/the-religious-beliefs-of-americas-founding-fathers-christians-or-deists/

The Founding Fathers view of religion in politics...
Despite the Republican right always calling this a "christian nation" and claiming that the country was founded on "christian principles".... here's some real world quotes to put the swift boot of reality in the picture...


“Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.” - Thomas Jefferson

"What is it the Bible teaches us? -- rapine, cruelty, and murder. What is it the Testament teaches us? -- to believe that the Almighty committed debauchery with a woman engaged to be married, and the belief of this debauchery is called faith.” - Thomas Paine

"It is too late in the day for men of sincerity to pretend they believe in the Platonic mysticisms that three are one, and one is three; and yet the one is not three, and the three are not one" - Thomas Jefferson (loosely paraphrased, he is saying anyone with any shred of intelligence pretending to believe in god is a liar and a moron lol)

"The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason." - Ben Franklin

"Of all the tyrannies that affect mankind, tyranny in religion is the worst." - Thomas Paine

"In every country and every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot ... they have perverted the purest religion ever preached to man into mystery and jargon, unintelligible to all mankind, and therefore the safer engine for their purpose." - Thomas Jefferson

"In the affairs of the world, men are saved not by faith, but by the lack of it." - Ben Franklin

"The study of theology, as it stands in the Christian churches, is the study of nothing; it is founded on nothing; it rests on no principles; it proceeds by no authority; it has no data; it can demonstrate nothing; and it admits of no conclusion." - Thomas Paine

"I cannot conceive otherwise than that He, the Infinite Father, expects or requires no worship or praise from us, but that He is even infinitely above it." - Ben Franklin

"Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced an inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth." - Thomas Jefferson

"It is the fable of Jesus Christ, as told in the New Testament, and the wild and visionary doctrine raised thereon, against which I contend. The story, taking it as it is told, is blasphemously obscene.” - Thomas Jefferson

"Lighthouses are more helpful than churches." - Ben Franklin

"All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and ens***e mankind, and monopolize power and profit." - Thomas Paine

"Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise." - James Madison

"The United States in is no sense founded upon the Christian religion." - George Washington

"This could be the best of all possible worlds if there were no religion in it." - John Adams


I could probably post more than 100 of these.. but the point here is that the founding fathers were never the holier than thou dogmatic drones the ultra right wants to believe, and even worse, wants to convince you they were. In reality? George Washington was a brewer / farmer, John Adams was a lawyer, Sam Adams, Thomas Paine, and many other were smugglers. Ben Franklin? A retired inventor looking to get laid (which is literally why he went to France lol)....

these were men in the right place at the right time, nothing more. There weren't grand people that we should worship (aside from Franklin in my personal view), they were men who stood up in their time, lived their lives, and should be admired for their actions. Lets just stop pretending they were some dogmatic figure that fits your own world view... they probably don't.
Last edited by Imac7065; 03-11-2014 at 01:27 AM.

http://www.sportscardforum.com/threads/2073346-The-Founding-Fathers-view-of-religion-in-politics

The wildfires spread first. Then came the rumors.
Early this week, Sheriff Rob Giordano of Sonoma County was forced to debunk false reports spread by conservative media that his office had arrested an undocumented immigrant for starting the deadly California wildfires.
And that was before Immigration and Customs Enforcement got involved.
The federal agency’s acting director, Thomas D. Homan, on Wednesday accused Sheriff Giordano’s office of refusing to respond to federal requests about the immigrant, Jesus Fabian Gonzalez, leaving the community “vulnerable to dangerous individuals and preventable crimes.”
That, Sheriff Giordano said, was “inaccurate,” “inflammatory,” and was a distraction for local authorities responding to a major natural disaster.
“Frankly, I didn’t want a public rhetoric war with the federal government,” he said on Friday. “What I want to do is put this community back together.”
The dispute stems from the arrest on Sunday of Mr. Gonzalez, who had started a fire in the local park where he often sleeps, Mr. Giordano said.
The fire, which Mr. Gonzalez said he started to keep warm, threatened no structures and was quickly put out, the sheriff said.
That arrest was reported locally, and rumors began to fly.
The conservative media outlet Breitbart reported on Tuesday that Mr. Gonzalez was arrested “on suspicion of arson in Wine Country fires that have k**led at least 40 residents.” That same day, Sheriff Giordano felt compelled to publicly deny the connection, saying there was no indication The wildfires spread first. Then came the rumors.
Early this week, Sheriff Rob Giordano of Sonoma County was forced to debunk false reports spread by conservative media that his office had arrested an undocumented immigrant for starting the deadly California wildfires.
And that was before Immigration and Customs Enforcement got involved.
The federal agency’s acting director, Thomas D. Homan, on Wednesday accused Sheriff Giordano’s office of refusing to respond to federal requests about the immigrant, Jesus Fabian Gonzalez, leaving the community “vulnerable to dangerous individuals and preventable crimes.”
That, Sheriff Giordano said, was “inaccurate,” “inflammatory,” and was a distraction for local authorities responding to a major natural disaster.
“Frankly, I didn’t want a public rhetoric war with the federal government,” he said on Friday. “What I want to do is put this community back together.”
The dispute stems from the arrest on Sunday of Mr. Gonzalez, who had started a fire in the local park where he often sleeps, Mr. Giordano said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/20/us/wildfire-immigrant-breitbart.html

http://patch.com/california/sonomavalley/sonoma-co-arson-arrest-sheriff-responds-ices-request-hold-suspect