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Jan 15, 2023 13:18:26   #
One Patriot wrote:
Which ones are you talking about? The ones found at Penn state, or the ones found in his garage next to his corvette or the one page that was found in his personal library in his house?


There wasn't just one page found inside. When the one page was found it was found by his lawyers who didn't have a high security clearance so they stopped looking and reported it so the search could be continued by those with the proper clearanves. More were found.
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Jan 15, 2023 13:09:55   #
microphor wrote:
Actually, you all are getting worse. Coming from the left "lets fund border security in 6 other countries but leave our own border wide open", Stuuuuupiiiiiid!!!!

"While funding border security overseas, President Joe Biden has halted all border wall construction along the U.S.-Mexico border, gutted interior immigration enforcement, and attempted to end the anti-asylum fraud Remain in Mexico program."


And suing my State of Arizona for putting up a temporary "wall" made of double high containers welded and topped with razor wire for areas with high volume of illegal border crossings. Our governor capitulated and is removing them. The reason the Biden administration gave for the lawsuit was the containers were preventing the wall from being built. Yet no wall building was happening nor planned to happen.
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Jan 13, 2023 04:26:01   #
Milosia2 wrote:
I’m sorry you don’t share my urgency in the security of this country .
Perhaps , you’re not American.
A Putin Sympathizer , maybe.
Maybe , one day you’ll understand.
While you’re sitting in your
Russian Language Class .


Do you share the urgency of letting someone unauthorized store classified documents at a location where the Chinese government pays millions of dollars to fund? Theree has been years of trying to find a Trump connection to Russia. Millions of dollars have been spent in the search. No connection has been found. While the Biden China connection is well documented, as is the Penn funding by the Chinese government.
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Jan 13, 2023 04:19:19   #
Milosia2 wrote:
That is not what that means. You don’t know how they got there and neither to I .
I do know once Biden’s were found they were immediately sent back to where they belong.
post haste!
Trumpys sinister motives for sequestering the top secret files he had in his possession
Were being viewed and moved around continuously.
Perhaps even sold to our enemy’s.
Why did Saudi Arabia cut a $2Billion check
To Jared Kushner.???
Or $1Billion to Mnuchin?
Youz should be interrogating trump to find out who he gave these top secret files to.
That is not what that means. You don’t know how th... (show quote)


Viewed by the FBI. The documents weren't available for just anyone to view. And just where are you sayng they were being moved around to? Most of the documents were personal communications with his lawyers, news and magazine articles, and other personal documents which the FBI refuses to return any but a handful of personal letters. Attorney letters, news articles, and even his and his family's passports are being held as a threat to national security. Trump probably had the Crossfire Hurricane documents reviewed by a legal team as there could still be more investigations in the future which it would behoove him to have the proof of who did what and when. These were declassified and recorded declassified on the White House page, and the FBI was ordered to review for anything which could threaten ongoing investigations of the identities of agents or informers and then turn over to the DOJ for public release as he ordered. The FBI continued to argue against their release up until shortly before the raid, and the DOJ never released them. The only copies likely to ever see the light of day were Trump's copies which are now back in the hands of the perpetrators of the illegal actions. Biden attempted to reclassify them well before the raid, but one president can't reclassify what a previous one declassified.

These were not a threat to national security. They were a threat to those who broke the law and those who knowingly went along with it.
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Jan 13, 2023 03:56:55   #
Milosia2 wrote:
There’s no comparison there to trump.
When Biden found he had , them they went back to where they belong the same day.
Not a year and a half later. Denying the whole time that he had them.
They knew he had them and they went and got them.
But wait !
There’s more.
Yep, they think trump still holding out on secret documents.
Or , maybe he doesn’t have them ,
Anymore!!!!!!
But knows who does.
Or ….who does ??????????


Your math, let alone logic, are sorely lacking. Biden moved the files to his office and garage while he was VP for the Obama administration which ended in January 2017. This is now January 2023. I don't know where you went to school, but where I went to school that is 6 years. And even if you were correct that Trump denied having moved documents for 18 months, 18 months is still less than 6 years.

As for denying, Biden denies he had any documents moved and knows nothing about them ever being in the locations they were found. Trump has never denied moving documents nor having them. Trump does say he declassified them, which he had every right to do so as President of the United States. Biden had no authority to declassify documents. These Biden documents were labeled Q TS/SC. This is the highest level of classification.

Before the news broke that Trump had documents at his home, Trump had been in communication with NARA as well as offered to let the FBI checked the documents again for any sensitive information. He had already had the FBI review them in Dec 2020 before leaving the White House. Then 3 months after the FBI checked everything out and assured Trump the only thing needed was to upgrade the storeroom lock, they then raided his home when he was gone and did not allow anyone, even a single Trump lawyer, to observe the search. After the raid the DOJ first asserted they needed the Trump documents because they were part of an ongoing criminal investigation. Then they said they needed to be turned over to the National Archives [where they would be made available for public access as is the purpose of NARA]. Then the DOJ said the documents were a matter of National Security and included nuclear codes. These three statements seriously conflict with each other. Is it logical that documents which could be a threat to national security if someone gets passed the Secret Service, passed Mar-A-Lago security, and passed the FBI approved storeroom lock to sees them; should instead be made physically available to all visitors to the national archives and electronically available to any member of the public anywhere in the world? )Oh, and by the way, nuclear codes are changed daily. Having old nuclear codes is useless to anyone.) And if they were part of an ongoing criminal investigation so shouldn't be left in Trump's possession, should they instead be made available to the public?
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Jan 13, 2023 02:43:14   #
kemmer wrote:
Yup. Now, if Republicans win e******ns, fine. If they lose, fraud and c***ting. And trumpism has spread to Brazil.


So the Brazillians who are protesting e******n f***d in Brazil are MAGA Republicans now?
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Jan 12, 2023 01:53:00   #
Milosia2 wrote:
Small business .
It’s a misnomer. The republicans have r****d it so that their money making by businesses qualify as Small Business to garner all the free benefits given to
small businesses.
I think less than 200 employees qualifies as small business.
But , how much a company makes is not figured into the program .
A small business that makes $5Million should not be qualifying for small business freebies. The same for hedgefunders who have few employees , but amass large amounts of profit.
Small business . br It’s a misnomer. The republica... (show quote)


You made a mistake on the placement of your decimal point. A small business is one that makes no more than $500,000 and has a maximum number of employees depending on the type of business of between 250 for some types and as much as 1500 for other types. A business which makes $5 million is NOT a small business. But a business which makes $400,000 IS a small business and would be subject to Biden's new IRS plan.

And if you think $400,000 is a lot, I don't think you have any idea what equipment, building expansions, or even maintaining what is already owned costs including increase in utility costs, increase in supply costs, increase in t***sportation costs,. Nor can you count on everything running smoothly. Employee injury, fire or intense storm, a change in highway planning, new permit requirements or loss of "right to work" statutes, new regulations which require shutting down while changes are implemented to meet the new requirments, and especially loss of customers due to entrances blocked by homeless and panhandlers are just a few examples.
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Jan 12, 2023 01:08:58   #
Milosia2 wrote:
Julia ConleyandCommon DreamsJanuary 08, 2023

Soon after the U.S. House reconvenes Monday to v**e on the rules package containing many of the concessions House Speaker Kevin McCarthy made to secure to v**es of far-right Republicans, the party is also expected to introduce what the new leader said early Saturday would be its "very first bill": a proposal repealing new Internal Revenue Service funding meant to help audit the wealthiest Americans.

About $80 billion was included in the Inflation Reduction Act last year, with IRS Commissioner Charles Rettig saying the funding would only be used to increase audits of households making $400,000 per year or more.

"The resources in the reconciliation package will get us back to historical norms in areas of challenge for the agency—large corporate and global high-net-worth taxpayers," Rettig wrote in a letter to the Senate in August.


The funding is supported by two-thirds of Americans, according to a 2021 University of Maryland poll, but McCarthy and his fellow Republicans have lambasted the Democrats' effort to better equip the IRS to confront tax evasion by those with the highest incomes, falsely claiming President Joe Biden has provided the agency with an "army of 87,000 new IRS agents" who "will be coming for you—with 710,000 new audits for Americans who earn less than $75,000."

McCarthy's plan to repeal the funding, said ACLU communications strategist Gillian Branstetter on Saturday, would actually "incentivize the agency to target poor people," for whom audits are less expensive for the federal government because they lack the resources to engage in a legal battle with the IRS.


The new House rules package McCarthy agreed to guarantees that the Republicans will introduce legislation "making it easier for rich people to c***t on their taxes," said political commentator Brian Tyler Cohen.

MSNBC host Touré noted the proposed repeal has little chance of passing the Democratic-controlled Senate, calling the McCarthy's plan "pure posturing" for the farthest-right Republicans, but the proposal is one of several that could be used as leverage by the GOP later this year when Congress is expected to debate raising the nation's debt limit.


Social Security and Medicare have also been named as programs that the Republicans could push to significantly cut as the government seeks to raise the debt ceiling and pay for its existing obligations.

Addressing the House early Saturday after winning the speakership on the 15th v**e, McCarthy also indicated his party will prioritize fighting so-called "woke indoctrination" in U.S. schools, fully embracing attacks on L***Q+ students, families, and teachers that have ramped up in state legislatures in recent years and efforts to stop educators from discussing institutional r****m in the United States.


Soon after McCarthy was sworn in as House Speaker, the House Accountability War Room said that in the coming days, numerous "secret, backroom deals he made to secure the gavel" will become clear.


"Regardless of what else emerges from the smoke-filled rooms, one thing is clear," said senior adviser Zac Petkanas. "The MAGA extremists who want to cut Social Security, raise prescription drug costs, pass a national a******n ban, tank the economy over the debt ceiling, and retaliate against the Biden administration with political stunt investigations are running the show."

Now there’s something
we can all get behind !
More tax breaks for the rich !
I can’t wait until they cut Social Security.
Great Fun !!!!
Julia ConleyandCommon DreamsJanuary 08, 2023 br b... (show quote)


The training designed for these new type of IRS agents is ideal for making SWAT style raids on small businesses. A SWAT style attack is useless on big corporations. And while $400,000 a year is more than average net take home pay for many wage earners, it is a very tiny amount of net worth for small businesses. Nor do big corporations or billionairs earn only $400,000 a year. Other parameters are use of vehicles used for business to be also used for personal purposes. Is this something more likely for a CEO of a big corporation or a small business owner who stops and picks up groceries for himself in his delivery van after completing deliveries. While the CEO will write off his private plane flights and never have to account for who he takes on the plane or combining business and pleasure.

So saying the purpose is to go after billionaires and big corporations doesn't fit the parameters in any way.

And why in the world would the elites of either party getting corporate benefits, current or future promises, have any reason to crack down on the big corporations making them rich?
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Jan 11, 2023 21:18:35   #
woodguru wrote:
The right will never leave this one be, it will be forever in the feeble minds of the right exactly the same thing, just power against trump for doing the same thing...the differences are...
...in a world of differences between types of classifications, there are lower levels that are not critical to national security such as confidential
...meaning they do not even have to be signed out or kept in secure locations such as documents trump had that were highly sensitive


I agree that the cases aren't the same.

1. Trump was president with the authority to declassify anything at the time. Biden was VP with no authority to declassify.

2. Trump was in communication with the national archives and had an ongoing negotiation over which documents the national archives wanted and which were personal (such as the letters to and from his attorneys and his family's passports taken in the raid). Biden's attorneys found the documents when they were clearing out the office on Nov 2nd and IMMEDIATELY handed them over for the National Archives 2 months later. Who had access to them during those 2 months? Who had access during the time they were at Penn? Biden claims to have no knowledge of the documents or how they got to his office.

3. Trump requested the FBI inspect the housing of the documents to determine if security was adequate. The FBI made one suggestion which was to upgrade the storeroom lock. Biden kept his possession of the documents secret and housed them in an unsecured location in a university which has been given multimillion dollar yearly donations by the Chinese government. Last year's donation was $3 million.

4. Documents are marked either U, L, or Q to designate level of clearance. They are not stamped TOP SECRET as is seen in the movies. News reports stated Trump documents were found labeled TOP SECRET. The only letters mentioned in a couple of stories were L and U; but since the State Department hasn't weighed in, we don't know if their were any Q documents or not. But in any case Trump, as president, had the authority to declassify any documents. Biden had no such authority. The first news stories mentioned documents labeled Q TS/SC in Biden's office closet. This designation is often nicknamed ultra top secret by the layman.
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Jan 9, 2023 18:45:38   #
Wildlandfirefighter wrote:
You do understand that your first first point has been proven incorrect over the past several e******ns, in fact every e******n since Trump and MAGA first got into the mix in 2016, at least as far as education level goes. It has been well documented that the non Trump and non MAGA v****g block in general is significantly higher educated on average than the MAGA v****g block. So either you know this and you know you are telling a lie, of you are simply misinformed. Either way it kinda blasts both your 1st and 3rd arguments about lies and how smart most MAGA people are compared to non-MAGA.

Here are some facts for you:

In 2020, 31% of Trump v**ers had at least a four-year college degree – similar to the share of Trump v**ers who had a college degree in 2016. Far more Trump v**ers (roughly 70% in each p**********l e******n) did not have a four-year college degree.

The Democratic e*****rate is more evenly divided when it comes to education. In 2020, 46% of Biden v**ers had at least a college degree; 53% did not have a degree.

As was the case in 2016, White v**ers without a four-year college degree made up a considerably larger share of GOP v**ers (58%) than Democratic v**ers (27%). At the same time, White v**ers with a college degree made up a larger share of Biden v**ers (34%) than Trump v**ers (27%)

Among college graduates in 2020, a mere 30% approved of Trump’s job performance, and 67% disapproved. Even among non-graduates (students who had some college but never graduated), only 42% approved of Trump, and 52% disapproved.

The only education group to give Trump higher approval than disapproval ratings were white non-college graduates, where 52% approved and 43% disapproved. Among white college graduates, those disapproving of Trump’s job performance (66%) was more than two-to-one higher than those approving (32%).

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2021/06/30/behind-bidens-2020-victory/
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I personally believe attaining a degree in g****r studies does not make the person more intelligent than being an engineer. Just having a degree is no indication of intelligence.
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Jan 9, 2023 18:37:32   #
JR-57 wrote:
When everything went to hell after Hurricane Ian, I didn’t see a lot of Priuses, windmills or social justice warriors coming to save the day. I saw diesel trucks, combustion generators, heavy tractors, fuel tankers and a whole lotta bearded good ol’ boys putting some of that toxic masculinity to work saving lives and rebuilding society. When the proverbial s**t hits the fan nobody calls the pronoun people for help.


Good points.
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Jan 9, 2023 18:33:38   #
Rinaldi wrote:
Facts about renewable energy, even when there is more than abundant oil available, will confuse and mystify the low intellects who can only see what the maga pundits and politicians want them too.

Perhaps the 'rightwing' leaders in this country should take a fact finding tour to Norway, instead of a trump golf resort.



https://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2023/01/06/norway-npd-wind-shallow-water/9681673027129/


So called renewable energies often use more fossile fuels than would be used when using the fossile fuels directly for energy utilizing tens of thousands of gallons of oil per year. Wind turbines for unstance use 80 gallons of oil a year for each turbine. Wind farms have hundreds of turbines. Now add what was used in manufacturing them, replacing each every 7 years, and the damage they do to the environment. The damage includes leaking oil, k*****g California Condors and other birds, disposal of inoperable windmills, and the damage from installing them and replacing them. Offshore windmills are especially damaging. Just installing them destroys great swaths of sealife environment, silts up the water for many square miles which k**l marine life, and then leaks oil into the sea dong perpetual ongoing harm. Their manufacture creates large amounts of dangerous toxic wastes. Then their is their lack of efficiency. a wind turbine will never be able to be more than 59.3% efficient according Betz’s Law. Betz’s law states that the wind which passes through the blades of a wind turbine can never be captured to more than a 59.3% efficiency because of the physical laws of moving parcels of air. And they are easily damaged in storms and susceptable to stoppage in freezing weather.


The use of wind farms and electric cars are both far more harmful to the environment than the use of fossile fuels. It takes more than twice as much energy to manufacture and electric car than a gasoline powered car, the mining of rare earths ands lithium is extremely toxic to the environment, generating the electricity to power them comes mostly from burning coal or oil, and disposal is another threat to the environment. Solar panel manufacturing is also harmful and uses both coal, oil, and rare earths in the process. But far less than in the manufacturing of wind turbines and EVs.

Another renewable energy source which deserves a deeper look is biomass energy. Can anyone who is in favor of replacing f****l f**ls with alternatives explain how burning biomass is more environmentally friendly? Why is logging for building materials bad, even when done without clear cutting, but clear cutting forests for biomass okay?

https://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/renewable/wind/big-winds-dirty-little-secret-rare-earth-minerals/#:~:text=Manufacturing%20wind%20turbines%20is%20a%20resource-intensive%20process.%20A,of%20the%20world%E2%80%99s%20supply%20of%20rare%20earth%20minerals.

https://honuaolabioenergy.com/environmental-impact-of-solar-panel-manufacturing/#:~:text=Environmental%20Impact%20of%20Solar%20Panel%20Manufacturing%201%20Solar,4%20Habitat%20Loss%20%26%20Concerns%20in%20Hawaii%20

https://visionlaunch.com/biomass-environmental-impact/#:~:text=Biomass%20Environmental%20Impact%201%201.%20Harvesting%20biomass%20materials,5%205.%20Emissions%20from%20biomass%20are%20significant.%20

By the way, there are many pollutants released in the use of "green" energy. But the oft touted pollutant in the use of f****l f**ls is NOT a pollutant. I am referring to CO2. It is both natural and required by plant life. Compared to most of Earth's history, we are in a CO2 drought.
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Jan 8, 2023 15:10:51   #
robertv3 wrote:
I see your logic. I cannot (or if I can, I won't spend the time, to) evaluate the underlying facts that you claim (and those you imply, such as that the CDC _doesn't_ provide records of those who die of C***D v*****es).

My logic is that I see the mainstream medical advice, I see the kinds of arguments that come up about it, and what's happening in the world, and I think about how things work and how people work, and as a result of all this I am fully v******ted _and_ take precautions like not spending much time among people in close indoor settings.

I don't always follow mainstream medical advice, and I don't always follow my regular doctor's advice, but I do respect and listen to them, and these C***d things they are saying are among the many things they say which I think are true enough.
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I understand you are making your decisions based on being informed. I respect that. I have a couple of questions which I am not looking for an answer but rather as food for thought for you to ask yourself. Do you weigh the information provided by medical personel who actually deal with patients the same as those who work from a theoretical standpoint or whose experience is primarily out of laboratory research? A large number of doctors and nurses refused to get m**A v*****es. Does the fact that they are medical professionals make their opinions more weighty to you?

I personally got the J&J which was not mRNS. It doesn't seem to have been significantly either more nor less effective than the m**A shots but at least is incapable of producing some of the pitfalls (such as clots made of spike proteins) of the m**A shots.
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Jan 5, 2023 19:00:51   #
DASHY wrote:
Trump had four years to have this country running smooth. He failed bigly. He was successful in promoting his own personal businesses.


Can you give examples of him promoting his businesses from his position as president?
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Jan 5, 2023 14:56:20   #
fullspinzoo wrote:
they don't get it, Joy. You will always be one of my favorite. I wish I could be so NICE!


Thanks. I try my best to keep emotional language out of my responses.
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