LOL - Yeah, lets judge millions of Californians based on one reclusive family. I probably would have moved out in nine months too. I'm sure they knew you were all talking s**t about them behind their backs after they wouldn't accept your peach cobbler. It's a nice gesture but sometimes people just want to be left alone. People who get all offended because you don't want their pie are just creepy.

LOL - So they're obsessing over me again?

You know how they h**e it when people challenge their narrative. Most of them are indeed very frightened people. That's why so much of the Republican narrative is based on fear-mongering, it's what they respond to. So immigrants are all murders and rapists and Keri Lake is telling us we need guns to defend ourselves from scary bad people. Notice how often they make references to military vets. That's a mental security blanket for them. They think all vets are on their side and that they can actually tap into the power of the military.

The problem with that is that vets don't have access to the intelligence systems, air superiority and multi-billion dollar budgets that sets the U.S. military apart. Without all that, vets armed with rifles are only as effective as the garden variety terrorist. In fact, between a Syrian terrorist and an American vet, I would bet on the Syrian simply because they don't get the chance to get soft.

It's a shame these OPP conservatives get so wound up by all this fear and delusion because at the bottom line, you're right... I "do" have the same tradition that many of them purport to have.

OK, well... first, I'm gonna compliment you on your poetic approach to insulting me. I'm being serious btw "laugh, giggle and blow snot bubbles"... Awesome.

Now let me just respond to your thing about "my sort". I'm assuming that's a reference to a nebulous category of philosophers and ministers that you don't agree with, probably associated with the "left", progressive policies, socialist economics, secularism, stuff like that.

I'm wondering why you think these systems have failed.

First of all the largest socialist system in world history is currently thriving as an integral part of the US. We are a hybrid economy (heavy on the free-market). And yet, our socialist components are massive.

Secondly, every other developed nation in the G7 is also a hybrid economy. Socialism is what turned the iron of 19th century capitalism into the steel of a hybrid economy, which is what we mostly see today.

Socialism didn't fail... Some of it's implementations did; Russia being one such example. But even Marx would have told Lenin, "dude, you guys aren't ready" (but in a German Accent). Marx was very clear about allowing capitalism to thrive and develop first, THEN socialism, THEN c*******m. Russia went from agrarian to c*******t in one revolution... oops. Same for China. Not that it mattered because dudes like Stalin were just assholes anyway; They were just using the revolution to push their own agenda and that's what makes it such a bad example. Which is why the free-market fanatics keep using it.

One final thing on that... The prevailing conclusion across many recent studies show that Americans are not as happy as the Northern Europeans are. Standards of living are actually quite lower in the US and stress is elevated. Hence the running joke about Trump saying he wants people from "nice" countries like Denmark... As if they would want to come here.

But here's my point... All of those Scandinavian countries which btw, TOP the lists are like us... they run on hybrid economies but... (heavier on the socialism). Not National Socialism, Democratic Socialism... Massive difference... think - Evangelist vs Roman Catholic. Democratic socialists were the ones that Hitler had executed.

To me this is what matters... Happiness is the bottom line and migration patterns tell us where the happy places are. We have migrants knocking at our door, or maybe jumping our fences BECAUSE we are a happier place, BECAUSE we have socialist parts in our engine AND because we are on the way to Canada, which is even a happier place with more socialist parts in their engine. In Europe... it's the same thing - different continent.

As for progressive politics, that will always be resisted by cultures that feel threatened by social change, but it will also be the most reliable ally for the worker well into the future. BTW, those northern countries are very progressive as well. I don't see a failure here either. Some setbacks perhaps with encroachments from a more aggressive alt-right in recent years, but certainly not a failure.

Of course, the American Left, is intermeshed with socialism and progressive policy because they give workers a greater share of the value they create and because they try to break social barriers between workers and jobs.

But the left by virtue of it's principle of inclusion, also invites the immigrants. So it's critical that they be assimilated into the hybrid economy quickly so that they can produce value (work) as soon as they take value (receive handouts). The problem is that the right, by virtue of their principal of exclusion, tries to obstruct this process and it's when immigrants get stuck in the middle of this tug-of-war that they become a drain.

In any case, the left can't fail anymore than the right can. These are not systems, these are human biases.

Ha, ha, ha... Your sniper rifle? Is that what you're going to chase all your imaginary demons with? Ya gonna join the revolution of small arms and big attitudes? I would rethink Bucakroo, this can only go badly for you because there *IS* no revolution. There is no master plan or objective design. All you're doing is acting out. Screaming and yelling and threatening to destroy things. You're sick and tired, so you're just going to shoot things. You people are morons.


Wh**ever makes you feel better about your failures.

Mattoid is correct. Red states do receive an oversized share of welfare. Your response really exposes your ignorance and now I will explain exactly why.

First of all, debt by itself doesn't mean s**t. The country with the largest debt in the world is the United States, but the United States also has the worlds largest economy. Likewise, California has the largest economy in the union... In fact it's the 5th largest economy in the world.

Secondly, I don't see any proof that undocumented immigrants are a drain on the state. This is just something you r****t say in your attempt to demonize brown people. You NEVER provide any evidence, just hearsay.

And being a sanctuary state is a point of honor. It means we stand up for the people described in the inscription on the Statue of Liberty and it was a giant middle-finger to Trump and his N**i BS.

Finally, despite all these things, which you apparently think are bad, California still provides more money to the federal government than it takes, which means California is actually subsidizing those red welfare states.

So yes... Mattoid is correct and you're clueless.

No, I did not... I'm not like you dimwitted fanatics that have to cut and paste everything in desperate attempts to validate your narrative. These all came from my own memory as I have spent years researching and writing about each item on the list.

They are all valid points and you are simply denying them because they don't suit your narrative. You're welcome to dispute any one of them but I'm guessing you won't because you can't. That seems to be the prevailing pattern here.


Trump isn't man enough to actually accomplish anything of any substance. His entire presidency was a parade of cheap PR stunts, that for the most part sabotaged the republic to the cheers of his base of fanatical morons.

Your conspiracy theories are too weak to hold back the overwhelming evidence.

For example, the Democrats have a strong democratic advantage. This is very evident in the popular v**e which is quite simply a tally of everyone's v**e. Trump has never won a popular v**e. He lost the popular v**e by 3 million in 2016 and he lost it again in 2020, this time by 8 million v**es.

So clearly, more Americans have been v****g Democrat since at least 2016 and it appears this imparity is increasing. In 2016 Trump got lucky when the distortion of the e*******l college worked in his favor. In 2020, it seems the 8 million v**e deficit was too much for the e*******l college to smear.

So your absurd claim that Democrats can't win without eliminating the EC has already been debunked and it's the Republicans, not the Democrats that are looking for ways to distort the will of the people.

Most people have no clue what the EC actually is or why it was established, which is why they don't understand how it's broken. It has nothing to do with protecting the small states, which is a rampant delusion often hoisted in a desperate attempt to validate the broken EC.

While The People elect their representatives with a popular v**e, they do not technically v**e for the president; Congress does. But to avoid corruption, a proxy called the E*******l College is used where e*****rs are selected much like jurors are in a trial. Each state get's one e*****r per representative. So again, it's not about giving small states a boost, it's about avoiding the potential corruption that comes with allowing representatives to v**e directly for a president.

This was actually very good design and it worked fine for over a century, but that's because representation expanded to keep up with the population thereby, insuring equal representation. Federalist 58 states that one of the “unequivocal objects” of the population census is “to augment the number of representatives … under the sole limitation that the whole number [of Representatives] shall not exceed one for every thirty thousand inhabitants.”

So, if two states each have 60,000 people, they would both have two representatives. If one of the states experiences a population boom resulting in 30,000 more people, a seat would be added to Congress to maintain a ratio of 1 for every 30,000. So now we have one state with 60,000 people and two representatives and the other with 90,000 people and three representatives... Everyone is equally represented.

All good so far...

But then Congress decided to stop expanding after the 1910 census and that's when the system broke. 1910 was in the middle of the industrial revolution and the states where industry was growing rapidly was experiencing massive population booms but without an expanding Congress, the people of these industrial states were forced to share one representative between 60,000 people or even more.

So it's not that there is anything wrong with the EC, per se. The problem is that it's based on the number of representatives which no longer provides equal representation for the people. So we have to ask ourselves. Is such unequal representation worth the rule that The People can't just v**e for the president the same way they v**e for their representatives, by popular v**e?

Unfortunately, those in sparsely populated regions are fighting all efforts to fix the problem because the problem just happens to work in their favor. So my message to them is pretty simple... F u c k Y o u.

As for this nonsense that the EC is there to protect the little states, that comes from a combination of realizing that the current condition underlying the EC DOES give small states an unfair advantage and and effort to justify it by blurring the lines between the EC and past compromises, such as the 3/5th rule, which gave the southern states the advantage of counting each s***e as 3/5ths of a person even though s***es couldn't v**e. This was a compromise the northern states had to accept in order to get the southern states to sign on to the Constitution but since the Civil War, there has been no provision for "protecting" small states and that was NEVER the intention of the EC anyway.

wh**ever.


keep dreaming.


Do you even know what that means?


Hmm... who else does that sound like?


I could say the same about you with no less authority.


Well, I do appreciate your attempt, finally, to bring substance to your argument but it's fairly inert given the fact that I *do* believe in a relative universe and not the concept of "good vs evil" as absolute values. You may as well be telling me that I'm in peril for not understanding the Protocols of the Holy Pineapples. Because, in MY relative universe, which btw, YOU can't enter without immediate combustion, there is only cause and effect.

It's people like you, who can't handle relativity, that have to ram their own opinions down our throats to validate their own BS. Someone get me a fly swatter.


Yeah, you got the whole righteous thing going on, that's for sure.


A lie against... the greatness... WTF, are you even talking about?


So what does that mean? Did you just switch your ministry baseball hat for your commando headband?


What a sucker... you're called to fight for whoever commands the army. The Romans weaved that into the doctrine as a means to motivate you to k**l whoever they want through the fear of God. We still see s**t like that today. Hamas terrorists for instance are all soldiers of God. In Africa they got a vicious terrorist group called the Lord's Resistance Army. They all love their Holy books and guns.


Oh, I'm an enemy to your military background? WTF does that even mean? How am I an enemy to your military background? How did my tax dollars that paid for your food, uniforms, equipment, healthcare and everything else make me an enemy of your military background? How did my work in the aerospace firms that provided you with advanced technology and safer battlegrounds make me an enemy of your military background? Without civilians like me you'd probably be dead.

An enemy of you as a priest? That's all on you, Scooter. I am not attacking anyone's right to believe what they want to believe, I just don't share that belief. Not a big deal for me, but for you it's apparently an obsession.


I fart in your general direction.


Thanks for the compliment. I'm familiar enough with the colloquialisms... critical thinking is "brainwashing", being educated is "being g***med".

You people have ALWAYS had a problem with education and we know why... It's because education has always posed a threat to theocracy.

LOL - it's a bucket full of ironies, my friend.

So I give you 10 very specific counts, some of which are egregious crimes and you come back with some wide sweeping ambiguity about becoming a banana republic? Wow.


Biden is in no way involved in ANY of the prosecutions against Trump. In fact, many of the lawsuits were filed BEFORE Trump even took office and were pending the whole time he was in the White House due to the executive privilege of the office.

For any number of his fukups. Try not to get tangled up in my analogy... I was referring to the "other countries"... obviously the less civilized countries in the third world such as Iraq where the people hung Hussein, essentially because they didn't like him. Most Americans don't like Trump. A LOT of American h**e his guts for good reasons.

So yes, he's lucky to be in a country with a legal system that bends over backwards to protect the rights of its defendants and to give even the worst people a fair chance.

Hung for what... Jesus. This is always the go-to for Trump groupies, the reach for legal status, where anything for which there is not a specific prohibition is considered fair game.

Here's just a few examples of things he did that were not specifically illegal but still earns the hatred he gets.

1. Trump hardly ever made a public statement without lying... But if you're not under oath, lying isn't actually illegal.
2. His entire presidency is rife with attempts to violate civil rights for which the ONLY reason he can't be convicted is that the courts didn't allow him to actually commit the violations. For example his total ban on Muslims.
3. Trump also violated the human rights of immigrants, such as separating families and abusing immigrants in detention.
4. Trump also violated several provisions in the the U.S. Constitution, starting with Article I, Section 9, Paragraph 8 by using his office to direct diplomatic visits and events on properties that he profited from. He actually got a pass on that one. But when he attempted to bribe a foreign dignitary for his own personal benefit, Congress had to draw a line and they DID convict him. The Senate chose not to remove him from office as a result of his conviction but that doesn't mean he wasn't tried and convicted. He WAS found guilty... both times! And as a result, he WAS impeached... twice! Just because a judge decides not to hang a felon convicted by a jury doesn't mean he's innocent. Trump WAS found guilty of violating the Constitution. That is a FACT.
5. Trump also added a massive load to the national debt without any pressing need for it.
6. Trump also stacked the Supreme Court, which you might like today because you probably equate that to a victory on the a******n issue, but The Supreme Court does more than denying a******n rights. What's to say, you won't wake up one morning and find yourself desperately on the wrong side of the conservative court? Anyone who knows ANYTHING about American civics should know that on a fundamental level, a court should always remain balanced. That's why Lady Justice is holding a scale while blindfolded. It's THAT symbolic! And Trump clearly screwed it!
7. He also created the situation at the southern border that Biden is trying to deal with by slapping needless sanctions on Venezuela that caused a mass exodus. Nothing illegal here either but the damage is colossal.
8. He also surrendered to the Taliban without consulting with the provisional government in Kabul and then left it to Biden to clean up the mess. This was a huge hit to our reputation as a stable ally.
9. He also damaged our reputation as a stable ally by playing silly games with Russia and North Korea.
10. He further damaged our reputation as a stable ally by ripping apart one of our own international agreements that was quite possibly the last stand for global consensus. Obama's deal with Iran, China, Russia, the EU and the US to put as much of a cap on Iran's nuclear program as we possibly could. Trump just rips it up. Basically for a PR stunt. Did he replace it with a better deal? No. He didn't have the ability. He's a clown and world leaders all know it. So he couldn't sit with serious world leaders and actually negotiate like Obama did. But since we elected him to the office of the president, he DID have the authority to renege and he did.

I'm not even going to mention his r****t inclinations, or his incitement to violence that may have led to the limp-wristed "i**********n" on J** 6th.

We gave Trump astounding power that should NEVER go to anyone who hasn't already proven himself to be responsible. We allowed a complete i***t to piss on our alliances, stomp on the balance of our justice system and wipe his ass with our constitution.

And you ask what would he be hung for.

Non-citizens are not allowed to serve jury duty, Scooter, so it's a pointless question.


Good point... V****g isn't just about federal issues. I would offer the same answer, that I did for your jury duty question if not for the fact that unlike jury se******ns, there is no overarching rule that says you have to be a citizen to v**e. The rules are established at each level of government for which the e******n is applied and there are examples throughout our history where non-citizens were allowed to v**e.

For me personally, it's the same rule that I mentioned earlier. I advocate meritocracy. If you are working to contribute toward the community you should have a voice. Period. I don't give a fat rats ass about whether someone is a citizen or not. In fact I advocate for the abolishment of citizenship entirely. It's an entitlement and nothing more. Most people get their citizenship by virtue of being born here and like I said rats and fleas are also born here. So it literally means nothing.

Most criminals are in fact, citizens... that includes rapists, murders, thieves, thugs and t*****rs. That means that being a citizen is NO guarantee that you have any interest in defending or contributing to this country or the people in it, especially if you're a citizen by birth, because these are the people that never had to swear an oath just to be a citizen.

Short of abolishing the elitist concept of citizenship entirely, I would strongly urge that NO ONE can become a citizen without going through the same naturalization process that immigrants have to go through. Take the damned civics test that most US-born citizen can't even pass and swear an oath. THEN we can at least say that a citizen is someone who has at least promised to uphold the national interest.

Consider Trump lucky... In a lot of other countries he would have been hung by now.

First of all, inflation is driven by the market not the president. Sorry to disappoint you but we ARE still a free market economy. So as much as I'm sure you want to blame Biden for ALL the inflation that ever happened, it's just not much of an argument.

That being said yes, inflation-adjusted wages are lower now than under Trump. What Fox conveniently leaves out is that they were also lower under Trump than they were under Obama. In fact, inflation adjusted wages have been declining for decades. I'm sure you've heard the term stagnant-wages... A term that's been bouncing around since the 80's. That's what stagnant wages means... it means that when adjusted for inflation, the wages are not increasing.

That being said... wages are only one factor of influence. The fact that personal income increased $66.5 billion is closer to the bottom line. There can be several reasons for a bottom line that defies the assumption about stagnant wages such as the decline in unemployment.


This is another ongoing trend that your trying to blame Biden for. The fact of the matter is the national debt grew under Trump too. In fact, Trump is the first president to increase the debt as much as he has without an economic recovery or a war to blame for it. Economists even started to emphasize the difference between obligatory spending (most of what Obama added to the debt was actually to pay off obligations from the Bush administration) and "new" spending, where the current government just decides to spend more. In Trump's case, it's a double whammy... He authorized more new spending than Obama did AND he cut taxes so deep that it prevented the government from covering existing expense, forcing us to borrow more.

Take a look at the article again, right under the chart it says...

A major culprit is the GOP tax cuts, enacted in late 2017. They significantly reduced government revenues. Goldwein estimated the tax cut law could account for about $1 trillion of the debt increase during the Trump years. But the impact of the law extends well beyond that, if Congress doesn’t change it. The CBO estimated the 2017 tax law would add $1.9 trillion to yearly deficits over a 10-year period.

Maybe you should read these articles through before posting them. I honestly wish you folks would, you do this all the time, you look for links to dispute my arguments based on the headlines and don't even bother to understand the details.


Yet another ongoing trend. US credit card debt has been climbing for decades too. I've been tracking the "three debts" for ages... national debt, commercial debt and personal debt and the one thing remains consistent is that national debt always has the lowest rate of increase.

So to sum this up... Any improvement or degradation by a president is going to be applied to a much bigger trend that's been going on since the 70s. So in the big picture, Americans have progressively been doing worse since then. Some presidents such as Obama (and I think Biden too) have slowed the process down a little bit and maybe even alleviated some of the pain, others such as Trump have exacerbated the problem.

I wish people would understand this more, but unfortunately, these issue never seem to hit the media unless it's tied to a political attack on a president. I'll wrap this up with an analogy...

When an obese man gradually goes from 160lbs to 500lbs in ten years, it doesn't make sense to blame it all on what he ate in the last year.

Well stated, my friend.

Cue the responses from right-wing fanatics that will swear all 61 court cases were orchestrated by Marxists. LOL