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Sep 13, 2017 01:42:21   #
okie don wrote:
Tug, I'd heard this too.
Their Constitution is such that they can secede from the Union.

I think the result of the war that followed the last attempt at secession from the United States of America, pretty much confirmed that states cannot secede from the Union, wh**ever might be in their state constitution.
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Sep 13, 2017 01:35:54   #
ghostgotcha wrote:
The United States of AMERICA
The Confederate States of AMERICA

Both sides fighting were AMERICANS.... (Chew on that for awhile)

Consider the ramification of these totals and what happened when Grant took on Lee (every time)

Union Civil War Casualties:
Combat Deaths: Over 110,000
Other Deaths*: Over 250,000

Confederate Civil War Casualties:
Combat Deaths: Over 95,000
Other Deaths*: Over 165,000

This is not N**I Germany and we do not burn books down south to erase history.... we leave that to you liberal Yankees.
The United States of b AMERICA /B br The Confede... (show quote)

I'm not sure of what you think is the ramification of those totals, could you elaborate?

And as for burning books down south, no, down south we write books to obfuscate history and mislead people into believing that the Confederacy was anything other than an attempt to insure the continuation of the S***e Power.
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Sep 13, 2017 00:31:39   #
America Only wrote:
You statement is senseless...but then it appears you would like to deflect the responsibility that the LEFT is accountable for with their hiring from Craigslist and paying from the origination source of Hillary Clinton's new "org" in which she announced she had funds for any GROUPS that want to protest and create mayhem in public to protest Trump. You can slide all that "juice" all over and try your best to put some spin on it...but you're already busted.

I don't know, but it seems to make sense to me, and I'm not any deep thinker.

But it doesn't seem to require much deep thinking to see, that if one understands what a certain group finds reprehensible then one might seek to convince that group that one's enemies will and do commit those reprehensible acts. Isn't that the whole point of propaganda? If one's enemy doesn't in fact commit those reprehensible acts, then one might be tempted to pose as one's enemy and be seen committing the reprehensible acts. For example, I've heard that Hitler had some German soldiers dress up as Polish soldiers and attack German posts, then Hitler used that attack as justification for invading Poland.

Ricktloml wrote, "Most likely those on the left are so used to accusing others of what they are actually doing, and having the propaganda wing of the Democrat Party, (laughably called the main street media) cover for, defend, excuse and outright lie for them, they think this deflection will automatically be accepted. What is scary is there is a formula the left uses to advance it's horrible agenda. First propaganda and indoctrination, that's been going on for decades, then coercion, a hard or even cursory look at our politicians can tell you that has been going on for decades as well, and finally violence, gee guess where we are right now, then it's s******n and treason"

I agree that people who willingly commit reprehensible acts, will believe their enemies are equally willing to commit reprehensible acts and will accuse their enemies of reprehensible acts. However, that does not mean that someone who accuses someone else of something reprehensible, will therefore be willing to commit that reprehensible thing.

I think honesty is usually the best policy. Deceit requires too good of a memory (unless one is trying to deceive those with an even poorer memory). But I did learn some of the ways of deceit at my Daddy's knee. My Daddy was a very deceitful man. How he got that way, I don't know, maybe he learned at his Pop's knee. An example: I thought I was half Native American until I was sixteen, because Daddy told me many times, "I'm [Daddy] full blooded Indian. I was born on a horse blanket, under a chestnut tree."

So you can see, I might have some understanding of deceit and might have learned to be a suspicious person. Given that and my belief that most Americans (most people) find violence reprehensible (despite the popularity of football), I might be predisposed to think that an enemy of America might pretend to be an American patriot and then advocate violence. Thereby leading people to believe that Americans are a violent unreasonable people.
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Sep 11, 2017 23:11:56   #
crazylibertarian wrote:
It was the Union people who were the t*****rs.


Could you explain your reasoning?
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Sep 11, 2017 00:10:16   #
nwtk2007 wrote:
I sort of get what you have said, not sure, but it seems that you are saying that the south lost the war and should now accept the removal of all vestiges of that war which apparently you feel was only about s***ery, else why would you want to remove the statues??

The removal of the statues, whether in your mind like this or not, is because they represent a fight to maintain s***ery and were owners of s***es. I would ask at what point does it become too much and why is this a "now " issue? There was a self proclaimed black president for eight years and this never came up, not until T***p w*n and he is perceived as a r****t. To me the removal of these statues is simply a smack back at the president for his perceived r****m and has absolutely nothing to do with s***ery and the civil war. If it truly does, then we need to take down the Washington monument and get Washington's face off that mountain in Dakota!! And the list would go on and on.

Add to that, the majority of the population of all races support leaving the statues and simply adding a plaque of explanation regarding the s***ery issues and the r****m involved. Why are we going to capitulate to a very vocal minority who are not even concerned about the r****m issue in the first place, but are simply looking to do a "gotcha" at president Trump?????? He won the e******n, remember!!?? LOL!
I sort of get what you have said, not sure, but it... (show quote)


I for one have wondered, for at least 50 years, why in the United States of America we have been afflicted with these monuments to faithless t*****rs to the United States of America? But in the interests of frugality, let's not remove them or put up explanatory plaques. Let's cut off the noses of these "beautiful statues" or maybe put big red clown noses on them.
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Sep 10, 2017 23:04:10   #
Loki wrote:
Either tyranny or some sort of carrot entree.


And for desert we have Tyrannymisu!
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Sep 10, 2017 22:57:31   #
Andy Lynch wrote:
Please post your paid protesters list.


More interesting than a list of these mercenaries, would be a list of those who paid for their services and why.

There were stories of the US and state agencies (FBI, CIA, Texas Rangers, etc. ?) infiltrating groups to gather intelligence. Some of these infiltrators were supposedly very vocal in suggesting violent action.

Given the moderate to conservative nature of most Americans, it would be foolish for a l*****t to hire someone to incite violence that could be tied to the left, since the likely backlash would more than likely harm the l*****t agenda and aid rightist agendas. Therefore, it might be more likely that a rightist would hire mercenaries to incite violence that could be tied to the left.

I wonder how much it would cost to pay everyone to be nice?
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Sep 10, 2017 21:09:51   #
Loki wrote:
There are numerous versions of this adage, attributed to Ben Franklin:
"A Democracy is two wolves and a rabbit v****g on what to have for dinner. A Republic is two wolves and a rabbit with a gun v****g on the same thing."

To paraphrase:
A Democracy is two wolves and a rabbit v****g on what to have for dinner.
A Republic is two wolves and a rabbit (with a gun) v****g on whose hide to skin.

In both cases, what is described is tyranny. In any system, unless both wolves and rabbits agree, that none be eaten and none be skinned, only tyranny will result.
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Sep 10, 2017 20:55:19   #
eagleye13 wrote:
Acknowledgeurma; how is it you and others do not know that the Constitution protects the minorities, from being abused by the majority?
Two wolves, can't v**e to have a sheep for dinner.

BTW; The reason for your misunderstanding, is probably your schooling.


eagleye13 wrote, "BTW; The reason for your misunderstanding, is probably your schooling."

Hmm...you may be on to something, seeing as how all my formal schooling took place in Texas. ;)

The Constitution protects certain rights of ALL citizens, including some minorities (hopefully). People argue over what the protected rights are and whether they extend to all.
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Sep 10, 2017 20:41:41   #
lindajoy wrote:
Yes, well perhaps I am missing your point as we all do have equal v****g power with the majority v**e the deciding factor??
How would you suggest we do it ??? Everyone v**es but nothing decides the v**e???


In the US Federal government we do NOT all have equal v****g power. Just look at the Senate. V**ers in less populated states have much greater v****g power per person. Even in the House, a v**er in Montana has more power than a v**er in California. For the Presidency, v**ers in less populated states have much greater v****g power per person.

And in some states (maybe most?), gerrymandering gives v**ers in some districts more power than v**ers in other districts.
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Sep 10, 2017 20:26:22   #
lindajoy wrote:
Yes, how dare they.. Now, please define your " they"...

So now we are a nation of citizens wrought in suffrage ?? By whom??


In my attempted irony, my "they" was the same "they" you used. Following the trail of words to the previous noun that might be the subject "they", we come to "the majority". Even though it seems obvious that the majority would "want to imply we are or even have always been a democracy", I somehow doubt this was your intended "they". The next previous noun is "the progressive left", and I agree that "they" do want us to think we are living in a democracy where all have an equal say in our government, and thereby become closer to one.

lindajoy wrote, "So now we are a nation of citizens wrought in suffrage ?? By whom??"

I'm not sure I understand your question. Could you, please rephrase it?
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Sep 10, 2017 00:07:04   #
eagleye13 wrote:
Republic Vs Democracy:

Weaver wrote, "This country was founded as a republic instead of a democracy."

Weaver also wrote, "Our founding fathers realized that a pure democracy would be bad because those who receive preferential treatment from the gov. would continue to v**e for those who would continue to treat them with partiality."

Mr Bombastic wrote, "And the i***t still thinks we're a democracy. Even after being told, repeatedly, that we are a Constitutional republic."

debeda wrote, "The USA was formed as a constitutional republic."

eagleye13 wrote, "You don't even know this country was formed and designed as a Constitutional Republic in 1787?
We declared out independence in 1776. It to 11 years to complete and ratify our constitution.
I***ts like you want it called a Democracy, and are determined to turn America into a democracy.
That is the Elitist agenda."

eagleye13 also wrote, "Democracy is mob rule!!!!
Who do you think intends to rule the mob????"

Gener wrote, "Our form of government is more accurately called a Republic. The difference is that while people still elect their representatives, the representatives really make the laws. Often the people disagree, but do little or nothing about it. The danger of a true democracy is just that. Mob rule. And if we look at how uninformed the general population is, and how prone to taking the law into their own hands, one can readily see how dangerous that is. Our founding fathers formed a republic which gave us as much freedom as is realistically possible knowing full well that the general public, was, is, and always will be ill informed."

In another thread, CounterRevolutionary wrote, "James Madison. who penned the Constitution with its attached 1787 Northwest Ordinance, creating all new free states, ending s***ery west of the Ohio River, warned the public in the federalist Papers that the tyranny of the mob was equally as dangerous as the tyranny of one despot."
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So what is the message these posters are trying to convey?

The USA constitution (the basis of all USA law) created a republican government. By inversion, republican government is based on the rule of law.
Since we (speaking of citizens of USA) recognize the infinite wisdom of the Founding Fathers, we love our constitution (the rule of law), and the republic it created.
Therefore, republic is good.
Therefore, being republican is good.
Therefore, being Republican is good.

Mob rule is bad.
Since, democracy is mob rule, a democracy is bad.
Therefore, being a democrat is bad.
Therefore, being a Democrat is bad.

I hope this clarifies the message these posters are trying to convey.
Republic Vs Democracy: br br Weaver wrote, "... (show quote)


Dang it, I should always remember Poe's Law, and never forget to give Irony warnings. :(

For the record:
I think democracy is good.
I think we should all have equal say in our governments.
I think achieving equal say is exceedingly difficult, but no reason to stop trying.
I think any tyranny is bad, whether by majority or minority or single.
I think a constitution that favors some over others is flawed.
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Sep 9, 2017 17:06:20   #
lindajoy wrote:
Capitalism is a social system based on the principle of individual rights. Politically, it is the system of laissez-faire (freedom). Legally it is a system of objective laws (rule of law as opposed to rule of man). Economically, when such freedom is applied to the sphere of production its result is the free-market... Free Market is the true measurement to staying free , not dependant upon government and brings a thriving base of entrepreneurship as well as for the growth of the country, because of it, period, that simple...

Why do you attempt to convolute the very real facts of this country being a Republic to insert democracy or a democratic society? Why does it offend you that we are a Republic??
Capitalism is a social system based on the princip... (show quote)


lindajoy wrote, "Why do you attempt to convolute the very real facts of this country being a Republic to insert democracy or a democratic society? Why does it offend you that we are a Republic?"

Perhaps because it is reasonable for someone who wants equal v****g power given to all people, to want a democracy (where all people have an equal say) rather than a republic (where some people have more say than others).
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Sep 9, 2017 16:58:40   #
lindajoy wrote:
Just as the progressive left want Social/c*******m ideology to rule within this country, the majority of this country do not nor will it be allowed..

The slow repeating of this country being a democratic nation is an intended act to change the mindset of people.. Heard long enough it begins to be the "new thought of the country.." Built on nothing true but repeated to imply we are a democracy not Republic..

Much like their continued effort to change history by casting away statues and symbols of the civil war era etc..They are offended in their presence that have stood for how long?? Now offended???? Give me a break..

Now they want to imply we are or even have always been a democracy .. They interchange the two to gain momentum of such assinine thinking and spreading the falsehood to change what was intended by the forefathers and what this country was truly founded on...That simple tap, exactly what they are trying to do!!
Just as the progressive left want Social/c*******m... (show quote)


lindajoy wrote, "Now they want to imply we are or even have always been a democracy .. They interchange the two to gain momentum of such assinine thinking and spreading the falsehood to change what was intended by the forefathers and what this country was truly founded on...That simple tap, exactly what they are trying to do!!"

[Irony warning] Indeed, how dare they seek to change what the forefathers intended. How dare they seek to expand suffrage to anyone but white male property owners?
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Sep 7, 2017 17:19:56   #
Mr Bombastic wrote:
Interesting. But I said RECORDED HISTORY. That only includes the last 5000 years or so. So it could actually be true.


It is almost definitely not true. Assume 100 billion humans have been born in the last 50,000 years. 5,000 is 1/10th of 50,000. Assuming the 100 billion births were evenly distributed over the 50,000 years, 1/10th of 100 billion is 10 billion which is more than the less than 8 billion currently alive.
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