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Dec 13, 2017 22:58:22   #
Super Dave wrote:
Who told you they are the same group of people?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merchants_of_Doubt
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Dec 13, 2017 21:13:59   #
eagleye13 wrote:
Yep. Along way of saying that scientists have many theories. some get corroborated with "facts" that seem to be self evident.
IMO; Not always so.
A case in point;
Man Made G****l W*****g/ now Man Made C*****e C****e.
Now which one is the MSM pushing? Natural or Man Made?
Anyone wonder why?
A hint; Money.

I agree that a lot of money is being paid to the same group of people that kept telling us smoking was not a health hazard; they are now telling us there is no g****l w*****g (but if there is, it's due to natural causes).
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Dec 13, 2017 20:54:53   #
mwdegutis wrote:
A somewhat long but VERY important read. Let those with ears to hear...

The Virtual Economy is the End of Freedom
There is one simple rule to follow when understanding the history of economies: Never put blind faith in a system built on an establishment-created foundation. You would think this would not be a difficult concept to grasp being that we have so many examples of controlled economies to reference over the centuries, but in our era more than ever the allure of a virtual world with promises of endless wealth and ease is overwhelming.

Yes, I am referring primarily to cyptocurrency tulip-mania, but not this alone. I am also referring to a far-reaching problem of which cryptocurrencies are a stark reflection. Namely, the fact that humanity has lost sight of what a true economy is and what it is supposed to accomplish. It is because of this reality that crypto is thriving.

First, let's be clear, fiat currencies are one of the first machinations of the virtual economy. Once paper currencies printed from thin air by central bankers were accepted by the masses as "valuable" and worth trading labor for, the seed of financial cancer was planted. Once those currencies were decoupled completely from tangible commodities like gold the malignant growth spread. Today, there is one final step needed for the establishment to accomplish complete tyranny in global trade and that is to separate the masses fully from private t***sactions. In other words, we must be tricked into going digital, where privacy is an absurd memory.

Virtual economics is appealing for several reasons, most of them bad. Americans and much of the west in particular are increasingly uncomfortable with the idea of real production. The latest generation coming into political and social influence, the millennials, are a perfect example. Surveys show American millennials more than any other generation lack basic workplace competency sk**ls, including scoring low on arithmetic and reading comprehension. Often portrayed as "tech savvy" in popular culture and the media, millennials are actually quite inept when it comes to core sk**ls that fuel strong business and trade, which is part of the reason why the U.S. is falling into the shadow of foreign workforces.

Millennials in the West also exhibit abysmal tech sk**ls in international testing and lag far behind foreign peers. This has come as a surprise to many mainstream economists and social analysts, primarily because millennials are also considered the "most educated" generation ever. But, of course, we have not only been given a virtual economy in recent decades, but also a virtual educational system. A majority of millennials are incompetent when it comes to key production sk**ls because they have been trained to dismiss such sk**ls as negligible. In other words, millennials have been conditioned to be academic i***ts.

Why go through the struggle and hardship required to become an effective producer of tangible necessities when it is far easier to join a collectivist drive for socialism and a structure in which little to no work is required to obtain such necessities? Why not steal from a productive minority and spread it thinly enough to keep the unsk**led majority fed? It is only within this kind of culture that virtual production, a virtual society and virtual "money" is seen as an ideal solution.

The notion is becoming more and more prevalent in our popular media, and I believe this is rather symbolic (or ironic) of our conundrum.

For example, consider the book Ready Player One, a pop-culture craze and archetypal zeitgeist for millennials soon to be released as a Hollywood blockbuster directed by Steven Spielberg. The novel depicts the world of 2045, a world in which f****l f**l depletion and "g****l w*****g" have triggered economic and social decline (Remember in the 1980s when they used to tell us that g****l w*****g was going to melt the polar icecaps and we would be under water by the year 2000?). A totalitarian governing body controlled by corporate behemoths rules over the dystopian sprawl.

In response to an ever painful existence in the real world, the masses have sought to escape to a virtual world called "the Oasis," created by a programming genius. The Oasis becomes a nexus for the global economy and a virtual society.

This sounds like a rousing background for a story of r*******n, and it is about that...sort of. Unfortunately, here is where the disturbing ties between our world and the fictional world of Ready Player One meet. The "r*******n" is for all intents and purposes, virtual and for millennial audiences in particular, this is supposed to be inspiring.

Perhaps this is why cryptocurrencies are so appealing to the millennial crowd in particular. Think about it — the dismal economic doldrums of Ready Player One exist now; we don't have to wait until 2045. Millennials are already feeling disaffected and disenfranchised, and most of them are also sk**l-less. Self-reliance to them is an idea so alien it rarely if ever crosses their minds. So, how do they fight back? Or, how are they tricked into thinking they can fight back against a virtual system that has left them in the gutter? Why, with a virtual currency, of course.

Millennials and others think that they are going to rebel and "take down the banking oligarchs" with nothing more than digital markers representing "coins" tracked on a digital ledger created by an anonymous genius programmer/programmers. Is this delusional? Yes. But like I said earlier, it is an appealing notion.

Here is the issue, though; true money requires intrinsic value. Cryptocurrencies have no intrinsic value. They are conjured from nothing by programmers, they are "mined" in a virtual mine created from nothing, and they have no unique aspects that make them rare. They are an easily replicated digital product. Anyone can create a cryptocurrency. And for those that argue that "math gives crypto intrinsic value," I'm sorry to break it to them, but the math is free.

In fact, Bitcoin uses the SHA-256 hash function, created by none other than the National Security Agency (NSA) and published by the National Institute for Standards and Technology (NIST).

Yes, that's right. Bitcoin would not exist without the foundation built by the NSA…not only this but the entire concept for a system remarkably similar to bitcoin was published by the NSA way back in 1996 in paper called "How To Make A Mint: The Cryptography Of Anonymous Electronic Cash."

The origins of bitcoin and thus the origins of crytpocurrencies and the blockchain ledger suggest anything other than a legitimate r*******n against the establishment framework and international financiers. I often cite this same problem when people come to me with arguments that the internet has set the stage for the collapse of the g*******t information filter and the mainstream media. The t***h is, the internet is also an establishment creation developed by DARPA, and as Edward Snowden exposed in his data dumps, the NSA has total information awareness and backdoor control over every aspect of web data.

Many people believe the free flow of information on the internet is a weapon in favor of the liberty movement, but it is also a weapon in favor of the establishment. With a macro overview of data flows, entities like Google can even predict future social trends and instabilities, not to mention peek into every personal detail of an individual's life and past.

Again, the g*******ts are seeking total information awareness; and blockchain technlogy helps them remove one of the last obstacles: private personal trade t***sactions. Years ago, a common argument presented in favor of bitcoin was that it was "completely anonymous." Today, this is being proven more and more a lie. Even now, in the wake of open admissions by major bitcoin proponents that the system is not anonymous, people still claim anonymity is possible through various measures, but this has not proven to sway the FBI or IRS which have for years now been using resources such as Chainanalysis to track bitcoin users, including those that have taken stringent measures to hide themselves.

Bitcoin proponents will argue that "new developments" and even new cryptocurrencies are solving this problem. Yet, this was the mantra back when bitcoin was hitting the alternative media. It wasn't a trustworthy assumption back then, so why would it be a trustworthy assumption now? The only proper assumption to make here is that nothing digital is anonymous…period.

With the ludicrous spike in bitcoin prices, champions of the virtual economy are unlikely to listen to any questions or criticisms. I have never argued one way or the other in terms of bitcoin's potential "market value," because it does not really matter. I have only ever argued that cryptocurrencies like bitcoin are in no way a solution to combating the international and central banks.

Bitcoin's "value" is truly irrelevant but consistently hyped as if it makes bitcoin self-evident as a solution to globalism. The higher the bitcoin price goes, the more the bitcoin cult claims victory, yet the lack of intrinsic value never seems to cross their minds. They have Scrooge McDuck-like visions of swimming in a vault of virtual millions. They'll only accuse you of being an "old fogey" that "does not understanding what the blockchain is."

The fact is, they are the ones that do not really understand what the blockchain is — a framework for a completely cashless society in which trade anonymity is dead and economic freedom is destroyed.

Ask yourself this: Why is it that central banks around the world (including the BIS and IMF) are developing their own cyrptocurrency systems based on a similar framework as bitcoin? Why is it that g*******t banking conglomerates like Goldman Sachs lavish blockchain technology with praise in their white papers? And, why are central bankers like Ben Bernanke speaking in favor of crypto at major cryptocurrency conferences if crypto is such a threat to central bank control?

Answer — because they benefit from a cashless system, and liberty champions are helping to give it to them. The virtual economy breeds weakness in society. It encourages a lack of tangible production. Instead of true producers, entrepreneurs and inventors, we have people scrambling to sell real world property in order to buy computing rigs capable of "mining" coins that do not really exist. That is to say, we may one day soon be faced with millions of citizens expending their labor and energy in order to obtain digital nothings programmed into existence and given artificial scarcity (for now).

It also encourages false r*******n. Real change requires actions in the real world. Removing banking elitists and their structures by force if necessary (and this will probably be necessary). Instead, freedom activists are being convinced that they will never have to lift a finger to beat the bankers. All they have to do is buy and mine crypto. The day will come in the near future when the folks that embrace this nonsense will wake up and realize they have wasted their energies on nothing and are ill prepared to weather the economic reset that continues to evolve.

To maintain a real economy in which people are self-reliant and safe from fiscal shock, you need three things: tangible and decentralized production, independent and decentralized trade networks that are not structured around an establishment controlled system (like the internet) and the will to apply force to protect and preserve that production and those networks. If you cannot build a useful thing, repair a useful thing or teach a useful sk**l, then you are essentially useless in a real economy. If you do not have the mindset and the community of independent people required to protect your production, then you have no economy.

This is the cold hard t***h that crypto proponents do not want to discuss, and will dismiss outright as "not obtainable." The virtual economy is so much easier, so much more enticing, and so much more comfortable. Why risk anything or everything in a real world effort to build a concrete trade network in your own neighborhood or town? Why risk everything by promoting true decentralization through localized money and barter systems? Why risk everything by defending those systems when the establishment seeks to crush them? Why do this, when you can pretend you are a virtual hero wielding virtual weapons in a no risk r*******n in a world of ones and zeros? The virtual economy is not decentralization it is the avoidance of decentralization.

Brandon Smith
A somewhat long but VERY important read. Let those... (show quote)

To summarize: These young whipper snappers don't know what real work is.

PS: I'll give you three eggs and a carrot, if you'll dig out my septic tank.
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Dec 13, 2017 18:36:13   #
kcstargoat wrote:
The difference between progressives and conservatives is "let me alone!"

With, perhaps, the added corollary: but let me bother whomever I please (e.g., pregnant women). ?
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Dec 13, 2017 15:20:17   #
eagleye13 wrote:
Probably right. How could they have known what would be parading as "religion". A door they left open for bastardizing the intent.

I guess you guys would like to get rid of "or the right of the people peaceably to assemble" also.
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Dec 13, 2017 15:13:33   #
pafret wrote:
“No Escape from Existential Reality”

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-PF5oR-uti5E/UIU2jIhmbHI/AAAAAAAA6pM/P-Wiz10Dl0E/s1600/Calvin-gets-existential.jpg
“No Escape from Existential Reality”
by Sartre

"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away."
- Philip K. Dick

"Finally agreement! No one can dispute the reality that we all will die. Since most choose to block out this fate or find it discomforting to consider, the roots of denial are sown. Refusal to confront the one great similarity that all humans share, is a trait that has greatly affected our political and social lives. Life is to be lived, no doubt. But how you live it greatly depends upon how you treat the final ending.

Death, freedom, existential isolation, and seeming meaninglessness are central themes that involve our presence in and of this world. Since a spiritual realm is often shunned and frequently denied by the most unstable elements within society, it comes as no surprise that a rush for status and political power becomes a substitute for empyrean beliefs.

Because dying is inevitable, the populace fears social isolation because the idea that life is meaningless is so intolerable. The freedom they exhibit has the instincts of the herd. However communal it becomes, the fact that each person accepts the pack, is personal in its most basic decision. Yes, determinism seems to be normal for most; but the nature of that resignation lies in an acceptance that no other course is possible.

Surely, the cognizant capacity within each person retains the autonomy to continue on with his life. Forgoing the forcible taking of a life, the individual selects living by the mere fact of taking another breath. Notwithstanding, this urge, few will acknowledge that solitude is the natural state of each person. Politics often confuses this reality. In its most basic form, social organization is the end result of individual conflict. When there is no distinct meaning, all that is left is what one can take from the environment. The origin of egocentrism stems from a false sense of the inherent condition of being a unique person.

When a person concludes there is nothing but the moment and that any action is acceptable, they reject that their existence has meaning. Satisfaction is not purpose. The existential experience is merely the admission that we are each alone, struggling to find our way in a world that seldom demonstrates sense. Deducing that this seemingly absurd dilemma is unnatural, confuses the intensity of individuals to contest the character of their nature. Simply, people possess the freedom to make the wrong choices.

Politicians are creatures that fill the void. The vacuum from unsatisfactory answers or a lack of individual discontent, is the fertile field that office seekers harvest. Since we are all alone in our personal journey to a known destination, the notion that systems of social structure can and should intercede and chart the route, illustrates the foolishness that the multitude have resigned themselves to accept. All the rhetoric, promises and pledges are meaningless political theater.

Forced compliance, coercive punishment, arbitrary contrivance and systemic regimentation are all symptoms of the basic disease. A denial of the inevitable- death- and the fear of- personal isolation. Despite this common infliction, the patient can and should heal thyself. Achieving meaningful freedom is the joy of existence. When one is at peace with the inescapable- no man, party, ideology or mob can steal your primacy.

Isn’t it asinine to volunteer and relinquish your natural independence for a phony social contract that steals your dignity? Well, that is exactly what citizens amiably do because they are free to be foolish. Does or can the State become a substitute for your own isolation? How many times do people seek comfort among the fleeced and defend being sheered? The reason they are so vulnerable to the artificial charms of political benefactors, rests upon their dread of being alone. When in reality that is the universal condition of our existence and denying that reality, does not change the circumstance.

The entire culture of dependency is based upon a the false premise that society can improve the social condition. The extent of this deceit is visible by all the vassals that work for government. Whether they retire at full salary or reap early compensation, they happily accept tainted tribute for their loyalty to a system, who’s purpose is to deny the existential reality of life.

Life does not have to be meaningless; however, most work overtime to make it that way. When one is pegged a social misfit, most of the time that t***slates into being a threat who acts as an individual. The fear for the State is not death- it’s essence is to survive at any cost. How can an artificial structure possess life, when it functions with total disrespect towards those who are alive? The meaninglessness that consumes most people fosters the flawed freedom to accept servitude. By denying their own natural isolation, the common folk kneel to the most ruthless and sinister elements, because they are not willing to hasten or risk their final demise. That’s the commonality that allows elitists to fabricate their fraud.

You are free to create meaning when you accept you are alone and willing to suffer death as natural. Sure rare individuals are feared by the controller of governments. Such existential freedom is the silver bullet that can slay the blood thirsty monster. Impaling heads is the business the State performs best. Dracula lives within the draconian society that permeates this artifice - popular culture. Liberation is possible, when and after you free yourself from the need to be part of and belong to a synthetic society. The existential reality prevails- there is no escape- learn to accept it, free yourself and create meaningful purpose. What do you have to lose, we all are meant to die...”
- http://batr.org/solitary/021304.html
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I think this article errs from its initial statement, "Finally agreement! No one can dispute the reality that we all will die." In my experience, there are plenty of people who would dispute this (e.g., the many religions that promise eternal life). But accepting for the moment that, "we all are meant to die...”, it is not clear that, "Liberation is possible, when and after you free yourself from the need to be part of and belong to a synthetic society." Perhaps, when babies pop from wombs, ready to rumble,...

Less open to dispute (although I'm sure there are arguments to be made), is that: all humans are born and in need of aid to survive. Unless born into some "synthetic society", our lives would be short indeed.
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Dec 13, 2017 13:36:29   #
shadowman wrote:
My keyboard is acting up and it will take me forever to respond to your ?'s. In the meantime, go to youtube and look up Meher Baba and get back to me. Thx.

Looking in:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meher_Baba
I found, "the original indivisible state of God imagines becoming countless individualized souls which he [Meher Baba] likens to bubbles within an infinite ocean."
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Dec 13, 2017 03:34:30   #
Ricktloml wrote:
It takes a lot more faith to believe in "science", which changes all the time, (having to correct the previous mistakes), than it does to believe in God, Who is the same yesterday, today, and forever. AND whose prophesies have come true EXACTLY as foretold, down to the exact words spoken.

I'm not sure I understand what you mean by "believe in 'science'". Somehow I doubt you mean, that it takes more faith to believe that the use of the scientific method will help us increase our competence in dealing with (understanding) things. According to The Oxford Companion to Philosophy, "a number of philosophers have made a virtue out of necessity, arguing that the aim of science is never to achieve certain knowledge. Rather, in the light of intuitions and previous understanding, one proposes hypotheses which one then judges against experience. Inasmuch as they stand the test of time, understanding advances; but since all scientific claims are by their very nature falsifiable (to use Popper's term), there is always the possibility of disconfirmation and the need for replacement by a more powerful hypothesis."
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Dec 13, 2017 02:53:11   #
jSmitty45 wrote:
So agree Lindajoy. I believe that God placed him in office. Poor guy is trying to drain the swamp. Too many in it.

Perhaps Rev. Jeremiah Wright's call has been answered. Sad.
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Dec 13, 2017 02:50:14   #
Super Dave wrote:
He's being an obnoxious A-Hole.
He doesn't want an answer. He wants to spread h**e.

Oh my, aren't we finding a lot of motes in Bad Bob's eye. Sad.
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Dec 12, 2017 22:33:36   #
Larry the Legend wrote:
Specifically, the first amendment says that Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof. Nowhere does it say that elected officials shall be Godless atheists. In fact, taking a strict meaning from the first amendment, one could assert that it is illegal for congress to ban religious expression anywhere, including in the houses of Congress. Funny how these things seem to get 'confused' over time, isn't it?

As in many matters, Congress operates under its own rules, that may not apply to the rest of the country, where other branches have some say. As for Godless atheists, one who so confessed would have a difficult time winning e******n to any office in the USA, better would be the chances of a confessed molester. Sad.
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Dec 12, 2017 21:13:03   #
Liberty Tree wrote:
They could have just given the date without mentioning the Lord. You fail to recognize that Christian church services were held in the Capitol building for years and were attended by Presidents and many in Congress. They also selected Chaplains for Congress and a Reverend as the first Speaker of the House. They also appropriated money to buy Bibles.

I still think you are trying to make too much of "Year of Our Lord". I'll grant that there were many Trinitarian Christian Signers, a great majority even. That majority easily elected to have prayers at their sessions, but they forebear making any religion the official religion of the United States of America.

This gives an interesting example of one founder's view:
http://www.phmc.state.pa.us/portal/communities/pa-heritage/religion-early-politics-benjamin-franklin.html
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Dec 12, 2017 14:11:12   #
rumitoid wrote:
One who looks outside the box and the other for whom the box is life. One challenges tradition, and the other defends it. One who embraces science, and the other who appears to doubt it. One who thinks that government rightly managed can cure the world's ill, and the other that believes only God can affect real change and everyone can pull themselves up by their own bootstraps, including the disabled, elderly, and children. One who likes their steak rare and the other who likes it well-done with ketchup. One who loves the classics in Literature and the other who wants to burn those books. One who has a unrestricted love of Art, while the other wants certain pieces hidden. Progressives view Conservatives as neanderthals, while Conservatives view Progressives as the minions of Satan. Is there a middle ground?
One who looks outside the box and the other for wh... (show quote)

Many years ago, I read a short book on political philosophy [PP] (sorry, don't remember title nor author). The particular aspect of PP addressed was the proper distribution of things of value (wealth, income, power, etc.). In it, PPs were broken down into three categories: conservative, liberal, and radical. As well as I can recall, they were defined as follows:

Conservative - maintain things as they are; as new things of value come into existence, they should be distributed so as not to change the balance

Liberal - distribution of valuables should be based on merit

Radical - to each according to need; from each according to ability

These are broad categories that don't fully address issues of abundance and scarcity, the source of valuables, what constitutes merit, etc. However, I think they provide a better political taxonomy, than the one you have proposed.
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Dec 12, 2017 12:49:02   #
Larry the Legend wrote:
Good question. Let's run some definitions and see how they compare:

According to dictionary.com, 'progressive' is defined as "favoring or advocating progress, change, improvement, or reform, as opposed to wishing to maintain things as they are, especially in political matters".

And for our definition of 'conservative', we turn to wikipedia.com: "Conservatism as a political and social philosophy promotes retaining traditional social institutions in the context of culture and civilization".

Breaking it down to (very) simplistic terms, progressives see greener grass on the other side of the valley, and conservatives are content with the grass on their own side. That, ladies and gentlemen, in a nutshell, is the difference between a progressive and a conservative. So, now that that's all cleared up.....
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So it would seem to make sense for the sheep in the fertile pasture to want it fenced off from the barren lands beyond where the greedy goats strive for subsistence.
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Dec 11, 2017 15:56:27   #
eagleye13 wrote:
That they did.
America is a Christian nation, and always will be a Christian nation, no matter how much the ADL tries to change that.
The NWO perps will not replace this Republic with their NWO.

What is it that makes America a Christian nation? What determines if a person is a Christian?
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