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Apr 14, 2014 18:25:17 #

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ACA to cost billions less

BoJester wrote:

The rightwingnuts like faux and loathsome limburg ... (show quote)

Bojester It's been 4 years since they passed this law and they still are trying to project it's costs. Not long ago the CBO issued a report that it would cost much more than originally figured.No law should be passed without knowing exactly how it's going to affect the people. Bojester this is how the law affects me. I went to the exchange to inquire about how much insurance will cost me. The least expensive for my family of 6 (4 children) is 1,200.00 + per month. That is with a 10,000.00 out of pocket per year deductible. The best plan cost me 2,000.00 per month for a 100% no deductible plan. However, I may qualify for a subsidy of 800.00 per month. So the bottom line is that I am forced to accept a government subsidy in order to afford insurance but even then, if I take the least expensive, I am out of pocket 10,000.00 per year while making my 400.00 per month payment. Or I pay 1,200 per month for a 0 deductible. How is that affordable? I am a one income family with a stay at home wife and 4 children.

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Mar 4, 2014 11:16:37 #

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so tired of the rhetoric and division of all

sunny1 wrote:

Is there some way we as US Citizens could team together and take back our nation and rid ourselves of all the crappy politicians? E*******l v**e is obsolete. Same old story over and over. We need a REAL revolution but with the party labeling removed!

I agree sunny. Why do we need any parties. It seems to me that by labeling parties it creates competition which is in our nature. Many of the current social debates are not even true debates. There is no t***h to either side. Just rhetoric.

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Feb 28, 2014 19:47:37 #

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18 Crazy Right-Wing Myths About Obama Debunked #2

Raylan Wolfe wrote:

Obamacare is a Massive Success as 1.1 Million Sign up in January

http://www.politicususa.com/2014/02/12/obamacare-massive-success-1-1-million-people-signed-month-january.html

This represents a 53% increase in the enrollment over the previous months.

I just don't understand the argument here. I am a carpenter with 4 children and a stay at home wife. I struggle to make ends meet. The least expensive plan for my family is $1,283.00 per month with a 12,000.00 per year deductible. The best plan for us is $2,080.00 per month with 0 deductible. We were told that we would be saving $2,500.00 per year when they were trying to pass the law. How can anyone defend this law? Healthcare costs have gone up extremely. That is a fact.

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Feb 28, 2014 19:32:33 #

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Pen, Phone, Failure

AuntiE wrote:

There is little doubt I will be roasted over V E R Y hot coals; however, being a fair person, here it comes.

It is my understanding from several months ago, through an article from a site I remember not, that the individual walking the dog/s is the White House Gardner. My memory serves that the individual volunteered as he is a dog lover.

Having said that...why are we, the citizens, paying a Gardner $100,000 per year. R E A L L Y!

What! You mean you don't pay your gardner $100,000 per year? Haven't you heard of income e******y?

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Feb 28, 2014 17:19:59 #

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Anti-Gay AZ law Un-American and Un-Biblical

Btfkr wrote:

Thank you for your second paragraph. Go back and ... (show quote)

So we do agree. Take your business where it is appreciated. Live and let live. What lies and misconceptions are you refering to?

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Feb 28, 2014 15:56:20 #

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Anti-Gay AZ law Un-American and Un-Biblical

MrHeith wrote:

Thessalonians Chapter 3, 6
"Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Crist, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.

Does that not mean that you should have no interaction with someone that does lives outside the scripture that you were taught?

I'm not sure if that was the meaning of Paul's message. But you are certainly free to interpret it that way. I personally do not take any one verse out of the Bible to create my understanding of God. I include all of the scriptures including the old and new testaments to try and understand the meanings and teachings of the Bible. But with that said I choose to think God is ok with me interacting with all sorts of people with different religious views and backrounds.

But here in America it's irrelevent because we are a free country with freedom of religion So we should respect the beliefs and lifestyles of others as we are bound by the constitution. These are things we should work out on our own as Government cannot solve all of our problems.

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Feb 28, 2014 15:25:10 #

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Anti-Gay AZ law Un-American and Un-Biblical

Btfkr wrote:

visa versa pal

How is that visa versa? It is the gay community who is suing a person because they choose to live according to their beliefs? These people who choose to not participate in a specific task that they believe to be an insult to God's word are not telling you you cannot be gay.

So how can America be a free country if the people don't practice respect and common sense? I personally if I were a baker would bake the cake for a gay couple because I would simply put the context of marriage in that instance as a worldly view of what marriage means and not my religious view and I would bake the cake with the same level of service and grattitude I would for any one else. But like I said in my previous post, being a free country that practices freedom of religion as outlined in our constution, we should respect that when someone holds to the laws of their religion as do the jews, we should not force them to do otherwise.

So I ask the gay comminuity to back off and quit forcing your lifestyle on others. It's really not hard to do. There are so many bakers and photographers and businesses who will provide you service in this GREAT, FREE, country called the United States.

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Feb 28, 2014 14:17:06 #

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Anti-Gay AZ law Un-American and Un-Biblical

rumitoid wrote:

What we have in this and similar anti-gay legislation in other states is not a protection of religious freedom but simply people tying their discrimination to a religious belief.

Two highly respected Evangelical authors, Merritt and Powers, give a brief summary way this law is bad Christianity. You can read the article in full here: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/02/23/conservative-christians-selectively-apply-biblical-teachings-in-the-same-sex-marriage-debate.html

"Many on the left and right can agree that nobody should be unnecessarily forced to violate their conscience. But in order to violate a Christians conscience, the government would have to force them to affirm something in which they dont believe. This is why the first line of analysis here has to be whether society really believes that baking a wedding cake or arranging flowers or taking pictures (or providing any other service) is an affirmation. This case simply has not been made, nor can it be, because it defies logic. If you lined up 100 married couples and asked them if their florist affirmed their wedding, they would be baffled by the question."

"Strangely, conservative Christians seem to have little interest in this level of analysis and jump right to complaints about their legal and constitutional rights. Its not that these rights dont matter. Rather, they should be a SECONDARY ISSUE for Christians.
Before considering legal rights, Christians wrestling with this issue must first resolve the primary issue of whether the Bible calls Christians to deny services to people who are engaging in behavior they believe violates the teachings of Christianity regarding marriage. The answer is, it does not.

"Nor does the Bible teach that providing such a service should be construed as participation or affirmation. Yet Christian conservatives continue to claim that it does. So it seems that the backers of these bills dont actually believe what they are saying. Because if they truly believe that a vendor service is an affirmation, then they need to explain why it is only gay and lesbian weddings that violate their conscience.

"Before agreeing to provide a good or service for a wedding, Christian vendors must verify that both future spouses have had genuine conversion experiences and are equally yoked (2 Corinthians 6:14) or they will be complicit with joining righteousness with unrighteousness. They must confirm that neither spouse has been unbiblically divorced (Matthew 19). If one has been divorced, vendors should ask why. Or perhaps you dont even have to ask. You may already know that the couples previous marriages ended because they just decided it wasnt working, not because there were biblical grounds for divorce. In which case, you cant provide them a service if you believe such a service is affirming their union."

(Below are two more links on this subject. The first is an attempt at a rebuttal of the above article and the second is a support for the above.

http://erlc.com/article/are-christians-hypocritical-on-weddings-and-conscience-protection

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/tonyjones/2014/02/25/can-you-be-pro-gay-and-stay-evangelical-yes-and-no/

What we have in this and similar anti-gay legislat... (show quote)

The problem with this debate is that it only talks about conservative Christians. What about Orthodox Jews who live by the laws of the old testament scriptures? Homosexualtiy is an a*********n! I wonder how a jewish bakery would respond to a demand to participate in a mockery of God's law? Maybe not all jewish bakeries would see it the same, but shouldn't a jew have the right to not participate? Also remember that marriage is a sacrament in the Catholic religion. So shouldn't the Catholic have a right to not participate in a mockery of God's sacraments?

America is a free country. So with that there are some things that we cannot legislate. It seems to me that it is the gay community who is forcing their beliefs and lifestile on others, not the other way around. If someone wants to practice their beliefs and not participate, then simply take your business elsewere.

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