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Jan 13, 2015 09:08:35   #
Being angry and involved over someone else s errors accomplishes nothing. Trying to win debates is not scriptural either. State your t***hs and then Just kick the dust from your feet and rest in the fact that Gods t***h will be revealed soon to even unbelievers.
Pennylynn wrote:
Hello Amvaap,

I see that you are trying hard to communicate and like the others before you and I the messages are falling on deaf ears. The person who authored this topic has no desire to learn or debate, no desire to communicate.... they only want to shout something they think they know better than the entire community on OPP. I am sure that their Jesus, Yehoshua, Joshua, Hosea, or Yeshua is right now shaking his head wondering why the discussion of his name is more important than the words he spoke, the meaning of kindness and the importance of learning how to please our Creator and God. I also suspect that the author of this thread will not stop until either no further comments are received or everyone just agrees with them. With that in mind. I wish you well if you remain but for me, I am off the watch list and further topics by this individual.
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Jan 13, 2015 09:01:20   #
My opinion is the article is a sounding gong and clanging cymbal. Just noise.
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Extraordinarily great post! I hope everyone will read through it at least twice and really digest what Smith is saying. In essence I think his primary point is that we quit talking and start doing if we want to survive the upcoming calamity, that the survivors will be those who are not shocked out of their socks. I'm interested on others' take on the points the author makes.
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Jan 13, 2015 08:51:31   #
If in your mind you are satisfied that you're correct, then you should be joyful to just worship God and end debate. Further debate should be of no value. I ask what good is it to debate others?
ChildofYahweh wrote:
I know My father t***h, he is who I follow not man. I'm condemned because I call My heavenly FATHER Our Messiah True name THE NAME THE FATHER SAID CALL HIM not rebellious man PAGAN NAMES. I don't follow Baals teaching.....lmao sounds ALRIGHT with me. Our Messiah said we would deny his Name and claim another, HE WAS SO TRUE.....My topic is CORRECT, MANY HAVE PROVEN MY POINT!
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Jan 13, 2015 08:41:59   #
Sicilianthing wrote:
The structure of history is held together by two essential and distinct kinds of links, two moments in time to which no one is immune: moments of epiphany and moments of catastrophe. Sometimes, both elements intermingle at the birth of a singular epoch. Men often awaken to understanding in the midst of great crisis; and, invariably, great crises can erupt when men awaken. These are the moments when social gravity vanishes, when the kinetic glue of normalcy melts away, and we begin to see the true foundations of our world, if a foundation exists at all.

Catastrophe occurs when too many people refuse to accept that around us always are two universes at work. There is the cold, hard reality that underlies everything. And on the surface is a veil of deceit and compromise. The more humanity compromises vital t***hs in order to enjoy the comfort of illusions, the more mind-shattering it will be when those illusions fall away. These two worlds can coexist only for short periods of time, and they will always and eventually collide. There is no other possible outcome.

I think it could also be said that the more polarized our realities become, the more explosive and disastrous the reaction will be when the separation is removed. I feel it absolutely necessary to relate this danger because today humanity is living so historically far from the bedrock of reality, political reality, social reality and economic reality that the stage has been set for a kind of full spectrum destabilization that has never been seen before.

Though my analysis tends to lean toward the economic side of things, I am not only speaking of shattered illusions in the financial realm. In my next article, one last time I plan to go over nearly every mainstream economic statistic used today to misdirect the public (from national debt to unemployment to inflation to retail sales and corporate profits) and expose why they are false while giving you the real numbers. Most of my regular readers are familiar with much of this information, but I think it important to consolidate it all in a single article so that we can take stock of where our society sits fiscally as we enter 2015. For now, though, I want to discuss the core problem of self-deception, the problem that makes all the rest of our problems possible.

When the initial phase of the global collapse was triggered in 2007 and 2008, there was a massive explosion in interest and education in terms of liberty issues and alternative economic awareness. I remember back in 2006 when I had just begun writing for the movement that the ratio of people on any given Web forum or in any given public discussion was vastly opposed to alternative viewpoints and information — at least 50-1 by my observations. We were at the height of the real estate frenzy; everyone was buying houses with money they didn’t have and borrowing on their mortgages to purchase stuff they didn’t need. Life was good. The shock of the credit crisis came quickly and abruptly for most people, and there has been a considerable shift in the kinds of discussions many are willing to entertain about our future. Yet the idea that such things can happen despite a consensus of social and geopolitical health does not seemed to have soaked into the thick skulls of the average person.

Time, unfortunately, has a magical ability to erase vigilance. It’s not that the public has necessarily forgotten that danger can strike anytime anywhere (though some of them have). Many of them know full well that our culture is floating on a paper-thin ship in a turbulent sea. However, the disturbing trend today reveals that people have decided they do not care. “Taking the blue pill” is the rising rally cry from the so-called “new normal.” Yes, the economy is an illusion, the political system is an illusion and the various global conflicts our society participates in are mostly illusions. But we “can’t do anything about it,” so we might as well profit from these illusions while we can, right?

It was said during the economic collapse of the 1930s that the Great Depression was a depression only for the 30 percent of people that had lost everything. For the employed and the financially secure, the depression was much like any other time. This is the point at which we stand today. With nearly a third of the U.S. population kicked off the unemployment rolls and approximately half the country dependent on a government check of some kind for their survival, the current depression is only now beginning to feel like a depression for anyone. The soup lines have received a fresh candy coating of EBT cards and welfare payments. But the illusion is finally fading, and this should be of great concern to us all in 2015.

Even more frightening is our culture’s deluded sense of what a collapse actually looks like. For many, collapse is a cinematic and overnight affair, with zombies, nuclear bombs and mass panic. In real life, and throughout history, collapse is a process. Since at least 2008, the U.S. and the rest of the world have been experiencing that process. Everyone is waiting for equities to implode and for social unrest to erupt before they take the threat seriously, but these are not signals of collapse. These are the things that occur when a collapse has run its course. Collapse never occurs overnight. It takes years for the effects of social and fiscal breakdown to be visibly felt. And when they are felt, many people refuse to notice. Eighty years ago, America was halfway through the Great Depression, and mainstream economists were still claiming that recovery was right around the corner. Illusion and self-deception can be so powerful that the worst miseries can be normalized, at least for a little while.

And it isn’t only the general public that is stricken with crippling bias. There are those within the liberty movement who have bought into false paradigms for various reasons. There are those who still think that the “conflict” between Eastern and Western politicians and banking elites is somehow real. There are those who believe that Russia and China, despite their numerous and undeniable ties to the global banking syndicate (information I have covered in multiple articles over the years), are the good guys, while Western nations are the bad guys, rather than them all being mere subsidiaries and franchises of the same monstrous g*******t machine.

They hold onto this illusion, I think, because it is much more frightening to accept the reality that we are alone, that the liberty movement is the first and last line of defense against centralization, that the responsibility for the future of independence and individual freedom rests on our shoulders. It is much easier to fantasize that there are others out there, nations and governments with armies and capital, that are on our side and will fight our battles for us. This illusion will be a painful one for many in the movement as they begin to realize that the East is actually working in tandem with international financiers instead of working against them.

There are also those in the liberty movement who cling to the notion that the fight against globalism will be won without physical conflict. They believe that if we simply protest long enough, play the political and legal game long enough, nullify long enough, refuse to participate long enough, that the elitist edifice, an edifice which has existed for centuries and has manipulated historical precedence for just as long, will suddenly disappear in a puff of fairy dust.

The first problem with this strategy is that it relies on the assumption of time. Sure, anything is possible given ample opportunity. Perhaps the movement could grind away at the New World Order over the course of several decades until the majority of the masses are awake and aware (which is exactly how long it would take). However, I think it infinitely foolish to presume that we have decades to accomplish such a task. If the past has shown us anything, it is that tyranny does not respect reason and, at a certain point, couldn’t care less about image. Tyranny respects only power. It does not respect the protestations of ants it can crush under foot, but it will make a wide path around a rattlesnake ready to strike. While there is utility in the pursuit of intellectual and philosophical combat, if you are not willing to be the rattlesnake as well, then you are not going to effect change against such an opponent. You will eventually be stepped on.

The refusal to accept responsibility for one’s own defense is yet another product of fear — fear that the enemy is too powerful, that all resistance is futile. But resistance is only assured failure if resistance is never undertaken. Sheeple defeat themselves within their own minds before they ever stand up, so they never stand. This is the only reason totalitarian elements ever achieve success. Again, many in the liberty movement are going to face a rude awakening when they realize they have relied too much on the notion of the system policing itself, instead of preparing for the worst-case scenario.

And finally, the g*******ts themselves suffer from a veritable fog of illusions to which I can speak only briefly.

We are stepping over the threshold of an age that will shatter the illusions of everyone, and the internationalists are no exception. The root pillar of elitist globalism itself is that some men are born to rule, while other men are born to serve. Some men are born kings, and other men are born s***es. The psychopathy of this belief system should be evident, but psychopathy also elicits blinding ego and hubris, which smothers any inherent questions of motive. I do not think the elites ever actually consider the validity of their own philosophies. I am relatively certain their manner of viewing the world is much like that of a cult, a religious sect driven by the brutality of zealotry rather than the empowering nature of understanding.

Such men cannot be reasoned with. In fact, zealots often revel in their ability to trample all other world views as they grasp for complete dominance of their ideology. The illusion of rightness is far more important to them than actual t***h, and this is their greatest weakness. Hidden under all the posturing and power grabbing, deep in the recesses of their own assumed omnipotence, I sense an ever present terror within the g*******t culture. I sense a terror that comes only from the seed of doubt.

The incredible array of propaganda leveled at the public, the constant war gaming and mind gaming against the citizenry, the endless hailstorm of legal maneuvering designed to erase our sense connection with our natural rights and liberties, the tidal wave of fearmongering, and all the manipulations and scapegoats and elaborate theatrical displays all reek of fear. For if the g*******ts were truly as omnipotent as they pretend to be — if they really were all-knowing philosopher kings born to rule — then they would already have their New World Order. They would not need lies. They would not need the threat of force. The undeniable power of their ideology would be enough if their ideology actually had any validity. Lies are designed to hide lack of validity and lack of strength. The g*******ts are, at bottom, a hollow shell desperately clamoring for substance.

The thoroughness of the elitist con exhibits a fundamental doubt of success. The g*******ts wish they could predict the future, but they cannot. So they are just as afraid as the rest. I believe we are entering an era in which they will feel the stark pain of shattered illusions and the destruction of their own fantasies, no less felt than the pain of the rest of the world.

Our mission as an opposing force to globalism is to come to terms with our own illusions and to overcome them, to stop compromising and to stop waiting for the final shoe to drop and to take positive action now rather than after the endgame develops. This means pr********n and organization for the worst-case scenarios. This means making one’s family, neighborhood and community as self-reliant and secure as possible. The excuses have to stop. The distractions and intellectualized silver bullet solutions have to stop. Hard work and risk are all that are left, all that matters. If we do this, and if we do this now, then victory is possible. In any contest of strength and will, he who knows himself best and has shed all illusion will be the winner.

–Brandon Smith
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When you finally come to the realization that none of the solutions you propose will ever come to pass,then maybe you can concentrate on what the real problem is and you will see that "sin" separates man from God and as long as man chooses to remain independent and separate from God, NONE of your solutions or anyone else s will ever come to pass.
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Jan 13, 2015 08:32:32   #
"go and sin no more."
rumitoid wrote:
Love and do what you will. That is the totality of the Gospels. Prove me wrong.
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Jan 13, 2015 08:30:19   #
It's so easy to get caught up in senseless debates and I know the Bible warns against doing so. The whole point is Christ Jesus crucified and risen and in light of that the rest sees to fall into the category of details.
Theo wrote:
Since your interest seems to be gleaned from a book about the bible, instead of the bible, I will both you no more. I am interested only in the t***h of God's word; but you seem fixated on some lies someone told you Baal told. What you have posted here is not in the bible.
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Jan 10, 2015 10:24:48   #
Once again I believe you repress the knowledge of God that shines all around you both day & night. You deny a creator God that burdens your conscience because you're still a s***e to your sin. I was once like you, so I know exactly where you're coming from and what you are erroneously feeling, but now I've been set free from that treadmill. In my past I, like you, had to deny God, it was imperative that I did because if I didn't deny God that would mean I might need to bow to him and ask to be forgiven for being sinful and disobedient to a perfect, sovereign God plus if God is a God of justice, then God would justly judge me not worthy of being in his perfect presence leaving me to spend eternity apart from him because of his justice and my own hardheartedness ? I once put my faith in "science" instead God. Science which claimed everything came from nothing, for no apparent reason and for no real purpose. Believing THAT is what takes faith , BLIND faith as a matter of fact. You closed by saying you're anti-ignorance. I'll close with a verse from 1st Corinthians 1: 18, 23...FOR THE WORD OF THE CROSS IS FOLLY TO THOSE WHO ARE PERISHING, BUT TO US WHO ARE BEING SAVED IT IS THE POWER OF GOD. FOR IT IS WRITTEN "I WILL DESTROY THE WISDOM OF THE WISE AND THE CLEVERNESS OF THE CLEVER I WILL THWART. WHERE IS THE WISE MAN, WHERE IS THE SCRIBE? WHERE IS THE DEBATER OF THIS AGE? HAS NOT GOD MADE FOOLISH THE WISDOM OF THE WORLD? FOR SINCE, IN THE WISDOM OF GOD, THE WORLD DID NOT KNOW GOD THROUGH WISDOM, IT PLEASED GOD THROUGH THE FOLLY OF WHAT WE PREACH TO SAVE THOSE WHO BELIEVE. FOR JEWS DEMAND SIGNS AND GREEKS SEEK WISDOM, BUT WE PREACH CHRIST CRUCIFIED, THE STUMBLING BLOCK TO JEWS AND FOLLY TO GENTILES, quote=Neal]Guess I pretty well stopped reading after the second senl I needed to make it beleivable was throw in that it took billions and billions of years. Heck, who can argue with that right...lol..tence, amvaap. When a writer states that they "know there is a God," it's obvious that writer is badly confused.

A great many people on this earth BELIEVE there is a God, but not one living human being KNOWS. The claim to know something based on hearsay is an admission of ignorance. The bible is hearsay.

Man is capable of saying ANYTHING and of believing ANYTHING. KNOWING, however, is a very different matter. When you claim to KNOW, you are saying, in effect you have EVIDENCE supporting this knowledge. Evidence - the real thing - MUST be based in physical reality.

In the meantime, if your beliefs make you more comfortable in this world - be my guest. Please however, don't think of me as anti-religious. I am merely anti-ignorance.[/quote]
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Jan 9, 2015 12:55:29   #
Amen Brother.
waltmoreno wrote:
As a former catholic who went to catholic schools for 12 years, served as an alter boy, I learned precious little about true religion. All that pomp and circumstance became irrelevant overnight when I joined the military at 17. For years thereafter, I sought religion in various churches which were always filled with pew-potatoes, led by one-verse-charlie pastors, spoon feeding the congregation milk and talking about traditions of men. My appetite for religion could only be satisfied by raw red meat, figuratively speaking. And one-day I finally stumbled on the teacher - online of all places. Hosted by it's founder, Arnold Murray, a no-nonsense, former combat marine, Shepherd's Chapel teaches the Bible line by line, verse by verse, chapter by chapter, book by book. To say I was floored by what I learned the Bible REALLY said, would not be an understatement! Beginning with what happened in the Garden of Eden. Forget about Adam and Eve eating an apple! The bible doesn't even say anything about an apple as I'd been taught. Pastor Murray, when necessary, goes back to the original text in Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic to explain exactly what each line of the text really says. It's nothing like what I'd ever been taught - anywhere. I know that Murray has his detractors on line but that's to be expected in this age. Also it's very satisfying to learn all about Biblical prophecy including what Christ told the apostles, when they asked him when he would return. Knowing that we're now in the final generation, the Generation of the Fig Tree, let's me better understand world events as they come to pass daily. To me, true religion is knowing and understanding the letter God has written to each one of us, the Bible.
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Jan 9, 2015 10:11:55   #
Amen and Nuf Said.
Oliver wrote:
Every "religion" and "denomination" one can name in its own eyes is "true"; however, in reality only that faith that teaches repentance of sin and acceptance of Jesus Christ as the one and only way to the Father is true. Christ is t***h personified when He said, "I am the Way, the T***h, and the Life. No man comes to the Father but by Me." John 14:6
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Jan 8, 2015 14:27:52   #
I agree that terminology is problematic, for example, you pointing out how man defines Religion ( man doing for God ) is to me actually how man and our seeker friendly churches define worship. Conversely, true Christian worship is defined by who God is and what God has accomplished for man. In my opinion, in the past, anything that provided both promise and judgement often times was called god. Of course only the one true God of creation can deliver on both, but mankind today won't accept judgement only promise, so science & atheism have replaced both God & god.
Armageddun wrote:
One must use the term "religion" carefully. True Religion as defined in the Bible was quoted in a post above. (James 1:27). However, religion is the problem with the so called (Spiritual enities or churches organized or independent).

Religion as defined by man is man looking up to God and saying, "Look what I have done for you."

On the other hand, true Christianity is God looking down to us and pointing to the Birth, Life, Death, Resurrection or our Lord Jesus, and saying, Look what I have done for you.

There is no doubt that in all the denominations listed by DB there are those who truly believe and obey the God of Creation and the Bible. But sad to say many of those listed have their own man-held opinions and doctrines of men rather than God.

True matter is, the higher ones concept or thoughts of God the truer their Spiritual life will be.

That is one of the great problems of America today, science has taken the place of God. We are losing our sense of awe and wonder because we credit mans intelligence as coming from man rather than God. We have forgotten that God is Omnipotent and that means that all power (ALL) comes from God and he is Omniscient, knowledge, (All Knowledge) and is overlooking or Omnipresent All Present (ALL PRESENT AT ALL TIMES) that truly is awesome and a wonder of wonders.

We have lost our ability to look in wonder how the sun, moon, and stars are all still in perpetual motion which is impossible for man to create. Man can only produce energy that must be renewed. God has set in motion energy that will last until the end of time and even then He has promised a new heaven and a new earth that will be eternally energized.

What is the true religion? In the Beginning God created the Heavens and the Earth... John 3:16 John 1:1-14
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Jan 8, 2015 14:09:14   #
Very interesting. I too realize that lots of what we are taught is traditional and not truly Biblical for example, I think we underplay or forget that we Gentiles are grafted into the vine so that we benefit from the promises made to Abraham, Jacob & Issac..
ChildofYahweh wrote:
I Am not here to cause and uproar or piss anyone off, I just do alot of research and work out my own salvation with tremble. And what I've found upon my research blew me back. I'm no prophet, not perfect , I'm just Brenda who seeks Yahs t***h not man's.
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Jan 8, 2015 10:51:59   #
In my opinion "False Religions" avoid teaching that the sovereignty & perfection of God leaves sinful, fallen mankind in a position of having no chance of finding redemption on his own and at the same time, Gods justice demands judgement and Gods judgement requires mankind to ultimately suffer separation from God and eternal punishment for his t***sgressions. "True Religion" teaches that God requires mankind's repentance. Once man acknowledges his sin against God and his powerlessness over sin, then God will provide man with faith and then that faith will allow man to accept Gods solution through the death & resurrection of Christ Jesus is being the remedy that God had planned from before creation as being the ultimate solution for mans sinful condition. Now here is a great mystery, God not only h**es sin, he h**es sinners..He h**es sinners so much that he made his son become a sinless man and took his wrath for sin & sinners out on his own sinless son, so that he could once again love all mankind and so all mankind could once again love God.. If Religions teach otherwise, especially if they teach things like you can satisfy God by the way you live your life, or by the good deeds you do or by giving your life up as a martyr or that some Priest can absolve you of sin by making you say some rosary beads or that if you just pray God will give you heath wealth & happiness and especially if they teach Christ is not God, then those are "False religions".
permafrost wrote:
Vaap,

You are being less then clear, what religion are you saying is the True Religion? As far as I know, you listed religions that believe in the resurrection and Christ is the son of God, who died for our sins, but you call them False Religion. What are you trying to say?
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Jan 8, 2015 08:26:56   #
ChildofYahweh wrote:
I've been asking myself this question for the longest. Everything from our Heavenly Fathers holy name that he said he wants glorified, his laws, his true sabbath day, Feast days, that he said he dwell among has been changed by man. Even our Messiah said he did not come to changed anything but to fulfil. If he didnt have the authority by Our father to change. Why did mam feel he has the authority to change. Even our messiah told his captives the only power you have is what was giving from above. The same power that didnt give him authority to change but fulfil was Yahs word. Heaven and earth will pass but his wors will not, so why did man change. Also i hear people say the old testament is done away with. How could that be when it soeaks of his laws, even words for our generation from our father is in old testament. Again I say who is man to feel he has the authority to do these things.
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You are feeling some of the same frustrations I am and I'm becoming aware that many other Christian brothers are feeling the same as you and me. I'm encouraged by this because I sense the Lord at work perhaps for the last revival before his coming. Engage and encourage others with your words. I think your direction is correct.
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Jan 7, 2015 11:29:59   #
What constitutes "True Religion" begins and ends with both the cross of Christ and the empty tomb. It has nothing to do with ceremony, pomp, Popes, or the trappings of Religion.=Dummy Boy]...which was kind of my point.... :D[/quote]
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Jan 7, 2015 11:25:16   #
I'm sure there are truly saved believers in both Catholicism & main line Protestantism, but in my opinion, both Catholicism & main line Protestantism are Religious a*********ns,
mcjwelles wrote:
I guess your reference to, say, Catholicism & Protestantism threw me off...
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