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My big beef with George W. Bush as president was when he said "bring 'em on" when asked about insurgents forming in Iraq due to his lack of planning when the Iraqi army was disbanded. He didn't stay and fight, mind you, he just sent nearly 5,00 US troops to their deaths when the insurgents brought it on.

Had Obama said anything like that, had Obama had the "Mission Accomplished "photo op on a US aircraft carrier, had he uttered the word "crusade, the right would have burst a blood vessel.

But not to worry, the right just makes it up. Note the Fox "News" claim that Obama spent $200 million a day and used 34 US Navy ships as a backdrop during a visit to India. A complete refutable lie to which Fox "News" never retracted. "That's what one official from India told us" was their response.

Fox "News" also repeated cast the lie that "people will go to prison if they don't get health insurance" a lie Bill Reilly denied was every road cast by any Fox "News" personnel. When confronted with 11 cases where Fox "News" people did say that exact thing, including Reilly himself, he said "well, that's opinion."

You can't win with the pathological Obama h**ers. There's plenty of very real criticisms of the president, but the Fox "News" types and the rabid right loves to tell lies and say things like "Michelle Obama is a man." What class. Classless liars.

***********PS: fish, the withe possible exception of sharks, don't carry their you in the womb. The eggs are called roe, or in the case of eggs from sturgeon, caviar. They lay eggs. So add stupid to the list.

A truly classless and unfunny joke. Just proves what a classless, humorless and venal right wing toady you are.

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I have the same problem with rangers at a state park near my house. I usually walk out back in the fields, but my dogs LOVE the park. Until recently I have two armed rangers following me around in their SuV waiting for me to take my dogs (25 pounds each and not a mean bone in either's body). Yet when there were serious crimes (sexual assault and multiple burglaries) in the park, the state police were called to investigate. These rangers went to the same training facility as state troopers and yet they only crime TWO ARMED RANGERS could investigate was me walking my dogs off leash.

I usually walk on the least traveled parts of the 2,200 acre park, but they once followed me down a foot path (in their SUV) to try and nail me. I put my dogs on leash when I encounter anyone else (some people don't like dogs. I respect their puzzling but very real emotions) Yet these rangers were out to get me.

I got a ticket for walking off leash at the one time I wasn't. There was no way the ranger could have seen my dogs (both less than 18 inches at the shoulder) from his vantage point.I said "see you in court. I wouldn't miss the chance to let you perjure yourself."

The ranger's response was "there's rules, you know."

What got me was that there is a "carry in, carry out" regulation with all waste in the park, including dog droppings. I was the only person I ever observed following that regulation yet the rangers did nothing to enforce it. There is a regulation against motorized vehicles 9ATV's dirt bikes and so on) that the rangers routinely disregarded despite the danger and noise these contraptions caused.

And a regional utility was allowed to clear cut a stand of pine trees and fence in the area so oaks could grow (without damage from deer, which simply jump the fence anyway) in their place as part of the utility's mitigation program" that allowed them to not build colliding towers for their three nuclear plants pouring hot water into the Delaware Bay, causing scientifically proven disruptions to the bay's marine life.

I went to court with photos of the scenes, 8" by 10" color glossies with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one as well as my dogs to convey their size and lack of menace. The ranger didn't show for any of the hearings. The prosecutor wanted to postpone once more, but the judge said "What are we talking about? Walking a dog without a leash? Do these dogs look like a danger?" He dismissed the charges.

Fortunately, they are no longer there due to state budget cuts. I've mostly moved my walks to out back in the fields or two large nature reserves where there are no leash laws. I still return to the park on occasion with harassment from the rangers.

To this day the park, with 2,200 acres, they can't find a corner of the park to have a dog park, a fenced area where dogs can run free. Yet they've allowed the clear cutting and fencing of 100 acres so a utility company can make dubious amends for polluting the bay.

Just like street dealers get busted for selling a few bags of dope while the makers of Oxycontin paid a fine but "admitted no wrongdoing" for not warning doctors, and for paying them to prescribe, this highly addictive drug.

The system is gamed in favor of the wealthily multi-nationals yet all the right wingers can do is complain about poor people getting welfare and about the nonexistent problem of "massive v***r f***d."

I disagree with much of what Patty says, but will defend with my life her her right to say it. I feel much the same about your (not being an i***t except for calling Patty an i***t.

She spoils her dogs-she can't be a bad person.

What exactly is your problem? Do you realize that 51% is the majority when based on a numerical system based on 10? (the actual margin was more like 63%, actually. And remember the 51% that elected George W. Bush in 2000.

Lyndon Baines Johnson, Ronald Wilson "deficits don't matter" Reagan and George W. Bush all circumvented the Constitution by waging war despite the Constitution's giving that power solely to the Congress. Ronald Wilson "deficits don't matter" Reagan had more members of his administrate indicted and convicted because of his trading arms with a terrorist state (iran), in direct violation of US and international law, used the proceeds from those sales to fund and equally an illegal war against Nicaragua and waged an illegal war against the island nation of Grenada, pissing off even our most faithful allies (Maggie Thatcher and the U.K.)

And remember that since 1981 no Republican president has submitted a balanced budget to the tender mercies of Congress.And that during the period between 2001 and 2007 when Republicans controlled both houses of Congress AND the White House, no fundamental change was made to deal with deficits. Or that the administration of George W. Bush REPEATEDLY lied about nuclear capabilities of Iraq (or lack thereof) or Iraq's connection to al Queda (or lack thereof) knowingly and purposely leading to the deaths of 5,000 US troops, 1,500 private security contractors (compared to the four who died in B******i) or that 216 US Marines died because Ronald Wilson "deficits don't matter" Reagan left to die because he refused to let them have armed guards in the hostile war zone that was Lebanon in 1983. Where was your outrage then? Or were you still in diapers?

Remember that Richard Milhous Nixon resigned ahead of the inevitable indictment that was sure to follow for conducting an illegal racket from the White HOuse. I realize that Republicans will not be satisfied until the run a Democrat president out of the White House, but so far you have nothing approaching the crimes of the Nixon and Reagan administrations.

What you do have (or your ilk has) a winning strategy of making great crimes out of stuff like Clinton getting a BJ from someone other than his wife and then lying about it or the plethora of crimes allegedly committed by Obama. What you don't have is facts to back up any alleged crimes of Obama.

How many indictments has Obama had among members of his administration? Remember that there is an independent office of special investigation in the federal government that could start an investigation on any breech of the law regardless of what Holder does. Remember that the charges that Obama is a Muslim, terrorist, non-American, that is wife is a man, are all pure lies started by people like you with a pathological hatred of Obama. I have no great admiration of the president-he's just another member of the Bush Crime Family as far as I'm concerned-but I find the Obamaphobia by your ilk puzzling and d********g.

there has been no fundamental changes in the US government and it's relations with it's citizens since 2009. Obama is a slightlyleft of center president in contrast to the slightly right of center than was Reagan and the Bush presidents. Clinton was about as centrist was a president gets, a dmaning charge of political discourse in this country.

It's you who are the radicalized right wing. You're led to armed confrontation with the government and, two days ago, the outrage of two of your ilk k*****g five people including two police officers, k**led execution style as they ate lunch and covered with the Ta Party's "Don't Tread on Me" f**g. Hope your happy.

GEt a life. Obama is president until January 2016. Stop making these obscene allegation until you have realizable evidence of such crimes. And plan on having another Democrat in the White House come 2017 unless the GOP starts addressing it's own issues that led to the p**********l losses of 2008 and 2012.

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PS: In 1968, George Wallace said "do you mean to tell me these people (black people) burn, rape and murder because they didn't get enough broccoli when they were babies?"

It was one of the few statements of Wallace that I agreed with.

You apparently are to the radical extremist right of George Wallace. Congrats.

You are a sick person. These two k**led because they were "molested by violent liberal f*gs as children"???? An excuse for everything.

How do you know this is fact? Is it just another insta fact pulled out of your ass?

Maybe the NSA should start looking at people like you who make excuses for people who k**l police officers. It's just urging others to commit similar acts. Armed i**********n is what you'r promoting. Read the Constitution-what you are doing is illegal and harmful to the United States Burn in hell, asshole.

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You have the f**king nerve to equate someone who was never convicted of a crime committed 45 years ago, violent or otherwise, (largely due to illegal actions taken by law enforcement authors headed by that cross-dressing pervert named J.Edgar Hoover), with two complete far-right whacks who k**led five people, including to police officers, two days ago while proclaiming the right-wing revolution?

Reading your posts is an exercise in futility. The chickens have come home to roost on you the far-right bring types who have stoked the flames of hatred by claiming martial law is at hand and that the federal government is setting up death camps to stifle political opposition and a dozen or more equally as egregious paranoid fantasy lies lies all. May those chickens dump a ton of chicks**t on you chicks**t heads.

Yeah, just another right wing fringe type advocating violation action, or "taking out" of someone who disagrees with you. How typical.

You wanna come and 'take out" me for my opinions? I'll give you directions to my doorstep.

But you won't because your 100% ckickens**t.

More right wing fringe paranoid blather. If they were watching you for the reasons you claim, you'd already be in a re-education camp.

Freedom of speech still is paramount in this country-as long is it isn't inciting violent action to o*******w the nation. (illegal by the Constitution)

but go on believing that the NSA has the least bit of interest in what you say if it makes you feel important. They don't. You're just another far right conspiracy theorist who sees a c****e under every bed.

I noticed none of the far right fringe commented on the actions of two fellow far right fringe types in Las Vegas a few days ago. As I said, the unfounded claims by the far right media (Fox "News" and the far right blogosphere has given them the rational for doing to-martial law is allegedly at hand a the feds are setting up death camps are two of the more egregious lies, to promote such wing nuts to go on such murderous rampages.

Funny how the right harped on the terrorist much less violent activities of lefty Bill Ayres 50 years ago and yet completely turn a blind eye to a much more murderous act as was completed by two right wing fringe types two days ago.

Hypocrisy knowns no bounds when it comes to the far right fringe.

My guess is that this type of hyper-paranoid, hyper-right carnage is far from over. One day these heavily armed nut balls will show up at another welfare rancher or other right wing type only to precipitate a true blood bath.

We have the right to priest our government actions and partake in non-violent civil disobedience. We do not have the right to advocate armed i**********n against our government.. Remember the Shay's (or Whiskey) R*******n in which George Washington sent armed troops to break up a violent i**********n, leaving 12 dead.

"Don't tread on me"????? I guess that gives you the right to k**l police officers and civilians execution style in the name of alleged government conspiracies. How long before we see bumper stickers saying: "Long live Timmy McViegh"

The blood is on your hands.

OK rfus, please give examples of where massive v***r f***d has been uncovered in the US national e******n. It's easy to make a claim, more difficult to provide proof.


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The Great Depression was cause was lack of regulation of the banking system and the failure of industry to cut back on inventories required by a low point in the business cycle that was obviously occurring. The GD occurred after two Republican administrations that had a philosophy of having no regulation of Wall Street, the banks and multi-nationals. It was due to government mismanagement-meaning no management at all. Regulation by the government has led to a softening of the business cycle (not an elimination of it) and our last severe recession was caused by 30 years of de-regulation by those Republican presidents who promoted a return to unfettered capitalism (failure to regulate mortgage backed securities was just once of those decisions not to regulate securities. Lowering the capitalization rates of banks was another.)

No great works under centralized government? Who ordered Michael Angelo to do most of his great works?-the rulers of the city states of a not-yet unified Italy. Most artists of past centuries had patrons who were often the rulers of city-states.

What entity pushed for space program? NASA which, last time I checked, was a government agency.

How was nylon, dacron and teflon created? By a wartime government subsidizing Dupont to create synthetic material (teflon by NASA during the space race.).

Virtually every advance in modern agriculture was developed through government "land grant" universities, all funded by state and federal government. Some of these programs were funded half by private industries, but most were outright government, state or federal, funded programs. Today US agriculture is virtually a socialist system with government in every aspect of it. It has provided us with a system of inspections where thousands of people don't die of spoiled meat or rancid cooking oil each year. (in 2009, more than 1,000 people in India died of rancid cooking oil due to lack of standards.)

Most scientific advances have been created with at least partial funding, if not full funding, by state and federal governments. The unleashing of the atom? (for good or evil) was a 100% government program.

Where did the designs and buildings of Washington DC come from? The government. Same goes for the Roman Forum. Same goes for architectural masterpieces in most nations, including the Kremlin.

Advances in medicine funded or run by the government are simply too numerous to list. Look at the NIH.

And wasn't the World Wide Web a government-sponsered effort to make sure communication could survive a catastrophic event?

With a little research, I think you'll find that most advances in civilization had at least partial funding and support of government large and small.

There were once federal "National Defense Grants" award to young people to enable them to attend college to turn out the next generation of artists, scientists, agronomists, etc. Since these grants have been abolished, students wishing to enter these fields amass huge student debt to even think of getting a full education and then entering a field to advance the knowledge of humankind-they're too concerned about paying their debts. As a result, foreign students subsidized by their governments are now taking over these fields. Without the education of young people, our future advances face a dim future.

You're statement is so wrong it boggles my mind. And you have the nerve to end it with a f**k off? Typical answer for a fringe right wing historical revisionist. Typical reaction from the right wing fringe.

Please give examples. "Notorious" as noted by whom? Republicans didn't take constitutionally unprecedented action by involving the Supreme Court in stopping the Florida recount in 2000, an action which had for the previous 210 years been the right of states to operated their own e******ns?

Get real. Only Democrats commit v***r f***d is an outright lie.

But what do you expect for someone who watches Fox "News" Here are some fox lies:

"Obama's cabinent contains less than 10 of people have every been employed or involved in the private sector" (it's a50/50 split)

"Texas school books are prohibited from mentioning Christianity in text books" (A lie pure and simple.)

"White House political director was once an operative for ACORN" (A lie) "The ACA is a government takeover of health care" (With the use of private insurance companies?)

"US troops have never been under control of a foreign military. (tell that to Bernard Montgomery.)

"There is a war on Christianity" (debunked by a host of Chritisan preachers)

"Massachusetts healthcare plan is wildly unpopular in that state" (hit has a 70% approval rating.)

And so on and so on.

Fox "News" lies as a matter of routine. Same as you're doing by claiming that Democrats are "notorious" for v***r f***d. Mayor Daley in Chicago was notorious and Boss Tweed was notorious. But the entire party? A lie, a provable lie. Just like "v***r f***d is a massive problem" and "10 million v**es cast in 2012 were fraudulent." are lies. Lies, lies and more lies. Republicans lost so their mouthpiece, Fox "New" conflates it to "massive fraud." Simple bulls**t.


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