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Jul 5, 2014 10:30:48   #
Patty wrote:
John Whitehead, Rutherford Institute
238 Years Later, Would Americans Still Choose Freedom Over S***ery?

“Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and s***ery? I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!”—Patrick Henry

Imagine living in a country where armed soldiers crash through doors to arrest and imprison citizens merely for criticizing government officials. Imagine that in this very same country, you’re watched all the time, and if you look even a little bit suspicious, the police stop and frisk you or pull you over to search you on the off chance you’re doing something illegal. Keep in mind that if you have a firearm of any kind while in this country, it may get you arrested and, in some circumstances, shot by police.
If you’re thinking this sounds like America today, you wouldn’t be far wrong. However, the scenario described above took place more than 200 years ago, when American colonists suffered under Great Britain’s version of an early police state. It was only when the colonists finally got fed up with being silenced, censored, searched, frisked, threatened, and arrested that they finally revolted against the tyrant’s fetters.

No document better states their grievances than the Declaration of Independence. A document seething with outrage over a government which had betrayed its citizens, the Declaration of Independence was signed on July 4, 1776, by 56 men who laid everything on the line, pledged it all—“our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor”—because they believed in a radical idea: that all people are created to be free.

Labeled t*****rs, these men were charged with treason, a crime punishable by death. For some, their acts of r*******n would cost them their homes and their fortunes. For others, it would be the ultimate price—their lives. Yet even knowing the heavy price they might have to pay, these men dared to speak up when silence could not be tolerated. Even after they had won their independence from Great Britain, these new Americans worked to ensure that the rights they had risked their lives to secure would remain secure for future generations. The result: our Bill of Rights, the first ten amendments to the Constitution.

Imagine the shock and outrage these 56 men would feel were they to discover that 238 years later, the government they had risked their lives to create has been t***sformed into a militaristic police state in which exercising one’s freedoms is often viewed as a f**grant act of defiance. Indeed, had the Declaration of Independence been written today, it would have rendered its signers terrorists, resulting in them being placed on a government watch list, targeted for surveillance of their activities and correspondence, and potentially arrested, held indefinitely, stripped of their rights and labeled enemy combatants.

Indeed, as I document in my book, A Government of Wolves: The Emerging American Police State, a cursory review of the true state of our freedoms as outlined in the Bill of Rights shows exactly how dismal things have become:

The First Amendment is supposed to protect the freedom to speak your mind and protest in peace without being bridled by the government. It also protects the freedom of the media, as well as the right to worship and pray without interference. In other words, Americans cannot be silenced by the government. Yet despite the clear protections found in the First Amendment, the freedoms described therein are under constant assault. Whether it’s a Marine detained for criticizing the government on Facebook, a reporter persecuted for refusing to reveal his sources, or a protester arrested for standing silently in front of the U.S. Supreme Court, these are dangerous times for those who choose to exercise their rights.

The Second Amendment was intended to guarantee “the right of the people to keep and bear arms.” Yet while gun ownership has been recognized as an individual citizen right, Americans continue to face an uphill battle in the courts when it comes to defending themselves against militarized, weaponized government agents armed to the hilt. In fact, court rulings in recent years have affirmed that citizens don’t have the right to resist police officers who enter their homes illegally, mistakenly or otherwise.

The Third Amendment reinforces the principle that civilian-elected officials are superior to the military by prohibiting the military from entering any citizen’s home without “the consent of the owner.” Unfortunately, the wall of separation between civilian and military policing has been torn down in recent years, as militarized SWAT teams are now allowed to burst into homes unannounced in order to investigate minor crimes such as marijuana possession and credit card fraud. With domestic police increasingly posing as military forces—complete with weapons, uniforms, assault vehicles, etc.—a good case could be made for the fact that SWAT team raids constitute the forced quartering of soldiers within the private home, which the Third Amendment was written to prevent.

The Fourth Amendment prohibits government agents from touching you or placing you under surveillance or entering your property without probable cause and even then, only with a court-sanctioned warrant. Unfortunately, the Fourth Amendment has been all but eviscerated in recent years by court rulings and government programs that sanction all manner of intrusions, including giving police carte blanche authority to break into homes or apartments without a warrant, conduct roadside strip searches, and generally manhandle any person in manner they see fit. Moreover, in the so-called name of national security, intelligence agencies like the National Security Agency now have the ability to conduct mass unwarranted electronic intrusions into the personal and private t***sactions of all Americans, including phone, mail, computer and medical records. All of this data is available to other government agencies, including local police.

The Fifth Amendment is supposed to ensure that you are innocent until proven guilty, and government authorities cannot deprive you of your life, your liberty or your property without following strict legal guidelines. Unfortunately, those protections have been largely extinguished in recent years, especially in the wake of Congress’ passage of the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA), which allows the president and the military to arrest and detain Americans indefinitely without due process.

The Sixth Amendment was intended to not only ensure a “speedy and public trial,” but it was supposed to prevent the government from keeping someone in jail for unspecified offenses. That too has been a casualty of the so-called war on terror. Between the NDAA’s indefinite detention clause and the Authorization to Use Military Force (AUMF) legislation, which has been used as justification for using drones to k**l American citizens in the absence of a court trial, the Sixth Amendment’s guarantees become meaningless.

The Seventh Amendment guarantees citizens the right to a jury trial. However, when the populace has no idea of what’s in the Constitution—civic education has virtually disappeared from most school curriculums—that inevitably t***slates to an ignorant jury incapable of distinguishing justice and the law from their own preconceived notions and fears.

The Eighth Amendment is similar to the Sixth in that it is supposed to protect the rights of the accused and forbid the use of cruel and unusual punishment. However, the Supreme Court’s determination that what constitutes “cruel and unusual” should be dependent on the “evolving standards of decency that mark the progress of a maturing society” leaves us with little protection in the face of a society lacking in morals altogether. America’s continued reliance on the death penalty, which has been shown to be flawed in its application and execution, is a perfect example of this.

The Ninth Amendment provides that other rights not enumerated in the Constitution are nonetheless retained by the people. Popular sovereignty—the belief that the power to govern flows upward from the people rather than downward from the rulers—is clearly evident in this amendment. However, it has since been turned on its head by a centralized federal government that sees itself as supreme and which continues to pass more and more laws that restrict our freedoms under the pretext that it has an “important government interest” in doing so. Thus, once the government began violating the non-enumerated rights granted in the Ninth Amendment, it was only a matter of time before it began to trample the enumerated rights of the people, as explicitly spelled out in the rest of the Bill of Rights.

As for the Tenth Amendment’s reminder that the people and the states retain every authority that is not otherwise mentioned in the Constitution, that assurance of a system of government in which power is divided among local, state and national entities has long since been rendered moot by the centralized Washington, DC power elite—the president, Congress and the courts. Indeed, the federal governmental bureaucracy has grown so large that it has made local and state legislatures relatively irrelevant. Through its many agencies, the federal government has stripped states of the right to regulate countless issues that were originally governed at the local level.

Thus, even on those rare occasions when the courts provide us with a slight glimmer of hope that all may not be lost, those brief reprieves of judicial sensibility are quickly overwhelmed by a bureaucratic machine that continues to march relentlessly in lockstep with the police state.

This brings me back to those 56 men who risked everything—their fortunes and their lives—to speak t***h to power in that sweltering Philadelphia heat 238 summers ago. Of those 56 signers, 9 died during the Revolution, 5 were captured by British soldiers, 18 had their homes l**ted and burned by the Red Coats, 2 were wounded in battle and 2 lost their sons during the war. Remarkably, these men—who were community leaders, business owners, judges, lawyers and inventors—sacrificed their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor so that you and I could live freely in a nation where we have the right to stand up and speak out against tyrannical government. In the face of torture and even death, they did not waver.

The choice before us is clear. In the words of Patrick Henry, will we choose freedom or s***ery?
John Whitehead, Rutherford Institute br 238 Years... (show quote)


Wow, so much verbiage and so little intellect. The great unhinging of the ignorant ,right continues unabated.
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Jul 5, 2014 10:25:12   #
Steve700 wrote:
When you hear Obama's words "Thank you Satan" that is him in his own voice saying "Yes we Can" played backwards.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlIT1IdpAss (2 1/2 Minutes)

Remember Obama said that we needed a civilian security force just as large, just as powerful, just as well-funded as our military to set the security objectives that we have set.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mvP0ArKIGY (2 Minutes)

Allen Keyes on Obama: When you liberals hear Keyes mentioned Obama's birth certificate, you should be aware that Laura Fuddy who was the head of the department in Hawaii that sends out birth certificates belonged to the same cult as, and was friends with, Obama's mother. One month after that final birth certificate was sent out she mysteriously was k**led in a plane crash over the ocean. The cult was the "Cult Of The Rising Sun" which has to do with the return of the Islamic Mahdi when the sun rises in the east. That is Obama's logo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DlTgrMCxPg (4 Minutes)
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This is the kind of drivel that exposes you as a certifiable ,nut. I love it when you losers babble this bulls**t and get other like minded screwballs to chime in. You are a poster child for tea party and other mad dog r****ts.
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Jul 4, 2014 13:44:05   #
Ah,Independence Day. Another phony American holiday where i***ts will eat tons of poisoned food swill gallons of beer, wave the f**g then drive home drunk.

But tomorrow it's back to h**e and discrimination on all fronts.
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Jul 4, 2014 13:39:10   #
kmikale wrote:
I'm no Mark Antony, but I have a sharp enough eye to see retrobates when I see them. I guess my eyes really aren't that sharp, but they don't need to be, people make this easy.

Take this as my first example:

Dems Remove All References to ‘God’ From 2012 Party Platform

~And that in only FOUR years, now that is swift action on the part of that party. Look what happened between 2008 and 2012.

"This is a departure from the past. In 2008, the platform read (emphasis added), “We need a government that stands up for the hopes, values, and interests of working people, and gives everyone willing to work hard the chance to make the most of their God-given potential.”

~Just because you're paranoid, right?

~Now to understand Republican leadership, one must have a working knowledge of what it means to have a retrobate mind.

"people who are classified as having a reprobate mind have some knowledge of God and perhaps know of His commandments. However, they live impure lives and have very little desire to please God. Those who have reprobate minds live corrupt and selfish lives. Sin is justified and acceptable to them. The reprobates are those whom God has rejected and has left to their own devices."

~Any (should be just about all) politicians come to your mind? How about the changes to the people's guardian of conservative values?

"Groups advocating for L**T issues inside the party include the Log Cabin Republicans, GOProud, Young Conservatives For The Freedom To Marry, and College Republican National Committee."

"A November/December 2013 Public Religion Research Institute poll sponsored by the Ford Foundation found that Republicans are divided in their perceptions of their own party: 45% think the GOP is friendly toward L**T people, while 41% think the party is unfriendly."

~Hang on Dems, the Grand Old Party won't be outdone. It's not quite the Gay Old Party as of yet, but give them some more time and we'll be united once again.

GOP's dilemma on gay rights: Win over advocates, or risk losing its base?

"ARTICLE | When Sen. John Cornyn (R-Tex.) agreed to attend a fundraising dinner in Washington for the Log Cabin Republicans, many social conservatives were outraged. The group has long urged the GOP to be more accepting of gay rights,..."

~Get past the gay repulsion and, chucking God out the window is easy.

“If everyone is thinking alike, someone isn’t thinking.”
- General George Patton Jr

Oh and, Happy Independence Day!


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Teaparty wingnuts are so clueless. They carry water for the greedy rich and then blame the victims of the greed. These freaks are like street walking ,prostitutes who face danger ,degredation,and disease. Then they give the money to a lowlife ,thug who treats them with contempt.
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Jul 4, 2014 13:31:30   #
Old_Gringo wrote:
Obama has greatly diminished the rules Clinton put into effect regarding welfare. Perhaps you could research it if you are so concerned about it.


That is an out =right lie. The rules were put into law and no new Laws have been passed. The President as dictator is a myth and it's beneath you to swallow this hogwash.
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Jul 3, 2014 19:53:06   #
rich boise wrote:
You are absolutely right that I do not know what it is like to be a person of color in America. I will not use the "some of my best friends.." excuse although it really is true. Maybe I have been misinformed. Isn't it true that generally to qualify for assistance the man needs to leave his family? Until 2003 I lived in Connecticut and have been told by both black and white that that was true. If that is untrue I sincerely apologize. That was the assumption behind my comments. If that is true I think it is a terrible offense. If the system, supposedly meant to help, contributed to the breakdown of any family, it is very broken and owes that family a great deal. That was my point perhaps poorly stated.
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OK Rich now let's examine this dichotomy between Welfare ,Government assistance, and Black people you seem to have.

Do you know that 22% of welfare recipients are Black. Mostly children and single mothers. The other 78% have to be made up of other groups.

Welfare since Clinton has limits and so the" Lazy B****s on Welfare for generations" is more myth than reality. When GW Bush drove the economy off the rails college educated families were on food stamps and going to food banks.

You need to let go of the 50s mentality and see what has happened in America since Reagan. Wages have stagnated and working class folk of all ethnic groups have hit a wall. It is time to end the war on Government and scapegoats and apply your Christian values about greed ,lies ,and help for the less fortunate.
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Jul 3, 2014 18:49:49   #
AuntiE wrote:
I forgot to mention my f**g was not made in China and came to me from a coffin supplied by the United States Military.


Too bad you weren't in that coffin. The world would be cleaner and a little less ignorant.
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Jul 3, 2014 18:48:17   #
Nickolai wrote:
The latino's have been brought in by the meat packing industry and other industries the Republicans brought them in to the Bay Area to bust the housing industry unions and they did it. It started in the mid 1960's on a small scale to put pressure on American workers to produce more. Neither the Mexicans or the Americans produced more but they found that when a company went non union the Americans would quit and the Mexicans were willing to work for less a lot less it turned so they flooded the place and forced every body to go non union. Now for those few that can find work in the housing trades the pay is half and the health insurance, pension plan, and vacation pay, is no more. The savings went into the pockets of the developers and land speculators
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You are trying to have an intelligent dialogue with virulent r****ts and proud know nothings. Give it up . Just mock them and be glad you are not one of them, because they live in their misery and h**e.
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Jul 3, 2014 18:43:50   #
vernon wrote:
you have the iq of an imbecil and you prove it with every post .


I bet your momma would love it. You buttwipe can KMBA
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Jul 3, 2014 18:41:53   #
petertimber wrote:
Listen to Mike Savage WABC-NY 770AM 3-5PM M-F or www.michaelsavage.WND.com

He says only the Democrats can save the USA..the same way Neville Chambers who made a deal with Hitler was knocked out as English Prime Minister and replaced by Churchill who saved England.


When you quote charlatans and rightwing bloviators you lose all credibility
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Jul 3, 2014 18:39:20   #
rich boise wrote:
I totally agree. The system is seriously broken and the shameful crowd we call our representatives will not do anything. What should he do? Control the border. We need to know who is entering and why and when. I am in favor of allowing those who want to be "Americans" to come in and get to work toward assimilating. In fact, my brother-in-law, who lives with us, became a citizen last month and I am proud of him. There is no shortage of technology and man power to accomplish this if any of our "leaders" actually wanted to (and no, I do not believe any of them want to). There are enough laws on the books already to do this. The official job of the executive branch is to enforce the laws of this land. As the head of the executive branch the number one job of our president is to enforce the laws, whether he likes them or not. Probably the most important responsibility of the president is to protect the American people. There is no way this is happening with so many crossing the borders unchecked bringing who knows what.
Health insurance is NOT health care. As to who pays, I am very familiar with that. I am one of those working/taxpaying people that has been paying all along and I have reason to believe you are too, so we are both familiar with that. Insurance is a very good idea and I pay quite heavily every month for the expensive, grandfathered policy that I have (I was able to keep my insurance and my Doctor).
As to my relationship with Jesus, it does indeed compel me to help the poor and the fatherless and the widows. But nowhere did Jesus ever ask or tell the government or the religious leaders of his day to care for the poor. He never told us to compel the government to care for the poor either. There is nowhere that the Bible teaches to get your government to care for the poor.
A great example of why I am opposed to the government doing so is the "great society and the war on poverty". I believe that the government welfare system has been destroying the family, especially the black family, since its inception. I do not think it is intentional but an unintended consequence and probably unavoidable as long as the government is the one in charge.
I totally agree. The system is seriously broken an... (show quote)


Rich first and foremost. You know NOTHING about the government's impact on Black folks in genera and the Black family in particular. That is an particularly r****t perception on your part. It is also offensive. If you are sincere refrain from assuming you know what it is to be a person of color in America.

Most of the other loudmouths on this site are unabashed r****ts and do not try to hide it .But if you truly want to dialogue,leave the stereotypes at the front door.
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Jul 3, 2014 18:30:03   #
LAPhil wrote:
I'm not Rich.


Sorry about that I meant LAPhil
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Jul 3, 2014 18:28:30   #
AuntiE wrote:
In exactly what way by my writing have I shown myself to be an [i"unabashed r****t"[/i]?

I have, simply, questioned why we should all believe you are the font of all knowledge on morals and values based upon your short number of working years.


Selective Amnesia ? So you are not a r****t? I don't know but to me 40years of steady employment is NOT short.
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Jul 3, 2014 17:52:51   #
Kirk wrote:
OK how do you know I don't already know that? Like I said, you need to humble yourself. I've worked as a finish carpenter on high rises, hospitals, schools etc. and I too have worked with all ethnic groups. But my father in law who is from a very small town in Michoacán Mexico who worked with me on weekends on my property taught me a lot about hard work.


You say you are not a bigot. But because you think I am Black you stated that my positions are motivated by my need for handouts. You said it I didn't. The other i***ts that are chiming in like that" auntie" creature have proven themselves to be unabashed r****ts . So if you don't want to clumped with them ,stop spewing the same s**t they do.
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Jul 3, 2014 17:46:47   #
LAPhil wrote:
5 thumps up on that one:

:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:


You see now Rich you are stretching. Where does the State get the authority to force you to buy auto insurance? Where does the Bank get authority to insist you have fire Insurance? You see that is vacuous argument used by those who hide their bigotry. Please don't go there.
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