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Feb 20, 2022 13:56:42   #
permafrost wrote:
I will now begin a fraught endeavor, using my platform as a member of a prominent media outlet to try to inject nuance into what has for years been a central point of critique of journalists: how we covered Hillary Clinton’s use of a private email server for much of her work as secretary of state.

Doing so now is warranted because of the discovery that former president Donald Trump moved a significant number of documents — some of them marked classified — to his home in Florida after he left office. That report has drawn understandable comparisons to the coverage of Clinton, coverage that, in fact, likely did contribute to her loss. But those comparisons are also often overly neat, which is to say overly simple. Given the importance of understanding both situations, clarification seems useful.

If your instinct is to roll your eyes and dismiss this idea out of hand, I’d offer that you might be among those for whom this exercise is most illuminating. So I ask for the benefit of the doubt that, often, Clinton herself was not granted.

It’s useful to begin by remembering the nature of American politics when it was first reported in March 2015 that Clinton had relied on that email server.

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At the time, Clinton, while not yet officially a candidate, was the presumptive nominee for the Democratic p**********l nomination the following year. Clinton led Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) by more than 50 points in RealClearPolitics’s average of primary polling at that point, double the lead Donald Trump enjoyed in the most recent poll of the 2024 Republican nomination. As the e******n neared, her allies increasingly described her as the most qualified candidate ever to seek the presidency; her government experience, in other words, was a key selling point — particularly when contrasted with Trump, her eventual opponent.

She was also running as a Clinton, as the second member of a former president’s family to seek the Oval Office in less than two decades, and as a member of a family that had a rocky relationship with the news media.

Clinton was often not extended the presumption of inadvertency when questions arose in part due to her husband’s record and in part, certainly, out of overwrought animosity from the public and her critics. The result was that journalists looking to hold power to account often approached her with skepticism about her intent. In this case, that seemed warranted, given what was later learned about how the server was set up. It was natural to suspect that the situation was again one in which a Clinton was trying to hide something from the public.

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Two things made the situation worse for Clinton than it needed to be. One was that Clinton’s team at first treated the story dismissively, in a way that often antagonized reporters whose job it is to challenge those in power. The other was the way in which the material turned over from Clinton to the State Department was handled. Nothing has emerged in the years since the story first broke to suggest that anything significant from Clinton’s private server that related to her work was not submitted to archivists. But the release of that material to the public in chunks meant that week after week there were new stories again bringing the issue to light. At times, those stories were not ones that merited elevating, but reporters, scrambling to be the first to find any document of significance, occasionally highlighted ones that had little.

For years, former president Donald Trump stressed safeguarding classified documents when talking about Hillary Clinton. Then he improperly took some to Florida. (JM Rieger/The Washington Post)
By August 2015, we learned that the FBI was investigating the server, including whether it involved t***smission of classified material. Ultimately, it was determined that some messages had been. Remember, this was August 2015. This was before the Russia investigation and before we knew about the FBI’s consideration of possible links between Trump’s campaign and foreign actors.

The Clinton situation was relatively novel: a probe from Barack Obama’s Justice Department into a former Cabinet member’s communications, a top-level official who was almost certainly going to be a top contender for the presidency. Today’s “But her emails!” dismissal often fails to recognize the uniqueness of the situation then.

This does not necessarily mean that each and every story about the email server is defensible, though the number of those stories may be overstated in the public imagination. A search of the New York Times website finds that there were 19 front page stories that mentioned Clinton and the server in 2015. (I’m picking on them here mostly because they include indicators of where stories ran in their online articles.) That included obviously newsy stories, as when Clinton testified for most of a day before the committee investigating the terrorist attacks in B******i in 2012. (It was this Republican-led investigation that elevated the server’s existence in the first place.)

But in 2016, stories about Clinton’s emails often blended into another set of emails that were in the news: the emails stolen by Russian hackers from the Democratic National Committee and her senior adviser John Podesta. A lot of the coverage of “emails” related to Clinton in October 2016 — particularly outside the Times — focused on the material stolen from Podesta and released by WikiLeaks. That stolen material was published in clumps at the end of July and then over the course of October.

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Of course, the original server story also earned coverage in 2016. Trump talked about Clinton’s server a lot during the campaign, keeping it prominent in the national conversation. In early July of that year, FBI Director James B. Comey announced that the government would not be recommending criminal charges be filed, infuriating Trump and his allies. (A group that now, the Times has reported, has been awfully quiet about Trump’s behavior.) In response to the new reporting, Trump this week himself contrasted his behavior with Clinton’s.

Then, of course, there was the discovery of emails from Clinton’s server on a device taken from the home of her aide Huma Abedin — whose husband Anthony Weiner was under investigation for sending explicit material to a minor. That led to an announcement only days before the e******n that the government was examining the newly discovered material. Comey would later admit that his announcement was likely driven in part by the assumption that Clinton would win: How would it look had she won and become his boss and it was discovered that he hadn’t made the material public?

On Nov. 6, 2016, two days before the e******n, it was reported that nothing new was learned. But the damage was done. The initial announcement probably contributed significantly to Clinton’s eventual loss.

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This has been a lengthy exegesis, I admit, but it reiterates a few important points. First, that Clinton’s position in 2016 combined with the novelty of the question at issue were factors that don’t map cleanly onto the current scenario with Trump. Second, that the idea there was voluminous attention paid to Clinton-related emails in the last weeks of the campaign is inflated by the emails released by WikiLeaks, emails which were not ones from her server. And, third, that while the coverage of the server was probably broader than it needed to be in retrospect, it was often driven by news-related events. The media covered that late-October announcement about the investigation being reconsidered, often while emphasizing uncertainty about what it meant. Should it not have?

Consider, too, that the initial story told us something new about Clinton: that this candidate running a campaign predicated on her experience had worked around governmental rules and constraints. Learning this about Trump is … not new. This is also earlier in the p**********l e******n cycle and, for Trump, represents not an apparent apex of his alleged misbehavior but something much lower on that pyramid.

What’s most important to remember when comparing the Trump and Clinton situations, though, is that we are comparing 20 months of reporting on Clinton with a week of reporting on Trump. We don’t know what the months between now and 2024 will bring. We can’t. The National Archives has asked the Justice Department to begin an investigation, so we’re not yet at the equivalent November 2016, merely August 2015. We will see what happens.

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For many people, the comparison being drawn in the moment derives less from a thorough comparison of now and then than from the idea that a Clinton presidency was submarined by outside forces empowered by the media. “But her emails!” is a phrasing that is centered on assigning blame to the media for Clinton’s loss. Members of the media, myself included, might certainly be expected to disagree with that assessment. Hopefully, though, the context above does at least support the case for some hesitance in maligning the media’s approach: Perhaps the Clinton coverage wasn’t quite as unacceptable as you remembered — and perhaps it’s useful to see what happens next with the coverage of Trump.
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Thank goodness it was obvious that you clearly missed my point right away.. and I didn't have to weed thru what looked like a long rambling dissertation attempting to justify one of hillary's more current illegal/criminal activities (she obviously WAS engaging in). I thought it was pretty clear I was talking about 'filegate' (way back in the 90's) and not hillary's more recent email probs/scandal(s). I understand though.. there's a lot of d********g baggage traveling with her.. and it is easy to get overwhelmed trying to sort thru it all.... ;)

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Feb 19, 2022 15:42:37   #
permafrost wrote:
https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/18/politics/national-archives-trump-department-of-justice/index.html

National Archives acknowledges classified documents were found in boxes at Mar-a-Lago after Trump left office
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Updated 4:17 PM ET, Fri February 18, 2022

The National Archives acknowledged Friday it has discussed with the Department of Justice that classified records were found in boxes at Mar-a-Lago after former President Donald Trump left office, according to a letter from Archivist David Ferriero to the House Oversight Committee.

The letter, released by the Archives Friday, also provided more detail on reports that Trump tore up records after being warned not to while he was President. That letter is among four that the Archives released Friday portraying the agency, which acts as the historical library for the federal government, as concerned on multiple fronts about the Trump administration's record-keeping practices.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/18/politics/national-a... (show quote)


Without doubt, Trump should get the same punishment as bill and hillary got, when back in the 90's-during investigations of their 'filegate scandal'-it was discovered they were in possession of boxes of sensitive fbi files (containing mostly classified info info on their political opponents). It was crystal clear they were using these files to bolster and aid them (selves) in building/creating a 'hit list' of their political opponents. Spoiler alert-I save you having to search out what punishment they received-it was NOTHING.

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Feb 10, 2022 20:30:42   #
Bad Bob wrote:
Now we know why trump had to flush 10 times.


Doubtful-more f**e news.. it's no stretch to imagine that obozo prob stole all the TP from the WH (when he left), and DJT had to use pages from one of the 2-3 thousand page dimocrat sponsored omnibus spending bills (they always try and weasel thru) to wipe his pelosi/schumer/reid with... (There's little doubt he prob got an itchy rash from it to, too. lol)

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Feb 10, 2022 20:11:00   #
Wile C Coyote wrote:
You're too quick for many things, right?


No.. just quicker than you Wile.. but I won't hog all the glory.. b/c pretty much any living breathing person with a functioning brain is going to be 2quick4u as well...

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Feb 10, 2022 18:32:39   #
skyrider wrote:
https://thenationalpulse.com/2022/02/10/biden-nuclear-official-is-kink-lecturing-beastiality-rolepayer/

All I am able to say is -----OMG--OMG--OMG-OMG---OMG


Skyrider.. this is a little 'off topic'.. but it was the first thing I thought about when I saw the pic of that flaming loud-n-proud i***t (apparently all decked out for a perv parade) who slojoe has appointed to be the new 'Deputy Assistant Secretary of Spent Fuel and Waste Disposition in the Office of Nuclear Energy for the Department of Energy'. This guy should rightfully be the new face of our current dimocrat party. Don't you think it's about time for our dysfunctional dimocrats to quit using poor undeserving donkeys as their mascots. Other than being stubborn, 4 legged asses don't show any of the other wonderful things [obvious sarc] our l*****ts friends [again: sarc] have routinely shown to be extremely willing and capable of engaging in (to achieve victory in the end justifies the means style of governing they have now clearly and enthusiastically adopted).

The other thing I couldn't help but notice, was that Wile (Coyote.. aka: the woodster...lol) came in really quick with 'guns a blazing' to defend this l-n-p queen. He really seemed determined to stand up for this guy/gal/wh**ever (the hell it thinks it is) while attempting to set previous posters straight (albeit and as usual, his arguments were just cheap retorts and unmistakable projection). There's no telling how many more he's made since I started this.. but I can't help but wonder if he know's this shemale.. or just wishes he did???

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Feb 6, 2022 20:04:47   #
Perlman, along with the rest of the whiny and offended America hating liberal scum.. esp those who have consistently blown threats out of their azzes about leaving/relocating if this or that happens.. have obviously finally figured out there's no place else-that isn't already a s**thole, anyway-that is going to tolerate them and/or their incessant caterwauling for very long (they might be stupid.. but they're not dumb-it just takes them longer to stumble upon reality, and realize why they shouldn't leave this great country behind). They don't really want to leave-but they're drama queens who are clearly just desperate to be worshipped and idolized by the masses (they think they control)-so why not just demand that we deplorables divvy it up/split it right down the middle (with them). We shouldn't split this, or anything else, down the middle with these liberal freeloading squatters.

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Feb 4, 2022 14:57:07   #
Liberty Tree wrote:
Tucker is the new h**e target of the left. His audience is bigger than CNN and MSNBC combined and libs just cannot stand it.


Tucker definitely understands exactly what is going on.. and it appears he will not be silenced, nor forced to apologize for having the 'stones' to NOT be intimidated by these bloviating America hating ideologues... The left is definitely and deservedly earning 't*****r' status now.. and once again-in his now very typical and predictable fashion-wiley/rumi is illustrating that point perfectly (ad nauseum)..lol

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Feb 3, 2022 14:29:36   #
Peaver Bogart wrote:
The pilots of those flights, if they had any balls, would radio the tower once they're in the air and say 'I'm changing directions to Mexico City'.


Hey Peaver.. I hear china has a bunch of empty cities they stupidly built on the imaginary premise of 'build it.. and they will come' that are sitting around empty. We should send them over there and offer them a utopian 'fresh start'.

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Jan 30, 2022 19:11:12   #
Liberty Tree wrote:
Here is a point to ponder. If Kevyn was drowning how long do you think the line of people who wanted to throw him an anchor would be?


Very very long-it would actually be much easier and quicker to count the folks who wouldn't throw that anchor Liberty...lol

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Jan 30, 2022 19:07:09   #
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
FJB is a code some p*******es are now using to identify each other online.


Well tom.. let me clear up any misunderstandings you may have right now. My FJB has absolutely nothing to do with p********a-but maybe we should check with slojoe.. the kiddo 'hair sniffing' expert.. to see if this is perhaps something new those pervs just started using...

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Jan 30, 2022 18:46:17   #
Kevyn wrote:
Not Starbucks until they are unionized.


I would send DJT to save Joe/Ted (he would obviously part the waters underneath them.. then all 3 could chat while strolling to the promised land). I would take neil straight to your house, tell him you were anxiously waiting for him to join you in your sacred thinking spot (so he could help you 'brainstorm' some new improved solutions to typically non-existent probs). Because I am a nice and thoughtful guy.. I would undoubtedly give/donate to him a big tube of vaseline to help [him] get in the back door of your 'office'. lol

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Jan 30, 2022 18:14:09   #
wylie coyote wrote:
Yeah great, no thought to whether they attacked and hurt police...just pardon the stupid fools

https://www.rawstory.com/marjorie-taylor-greene-2656513938/?utm_source=push_notifications

The fact that you're against this wylie is all the proof the rest of us need to know, to confidently put your whole ridiculous idea (that those people they've had in lockdown for the last year are guilty of some massive plot to subvert our democracy) where it belongs-on the rapidly growing garbage heap-right alongside the rest of your failed 'America SUCKS' schemes and programs which you guys are now piling up quickly

What's up with all stupid topics and pronouncements you recently started trashing this site up with 24/7 wylie???
I'm sure I'm not the only one to notice this, but you now seem to be on a personal mission/sojourn to bring up and/or legitimize every crackpot ruse, excuse, and projection your side has previously (albeit unsuccessfully) tried to pawn off to/on us. Can you show us on the Trump doll where he (or we) actually hurt you-or is this just an emotional thingy???

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Jan 30, 2022 15:30:53   #
Milosia2 wrote:
The right says a lot , but, they never do anything to benefit the Commons.
The right is guilty of fighting for the rich against democracy every step of the way.
They are not patriots, the rich have no party. They are merely Psychopaths with a lot of money.


That is some award winning projection right there milquetoastia.. Bravo

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Jan 30, 2022 15:24:24   #
RandyBrian wrote:
You are EXACTLY right!
Lefttists determine whether a proposed project is 'good' or 'bad' on how it makes them feel. NEVER on whether or not it will accomplish the desired goal. As a result, it never does.
They approve or disapprove of a candidate based on his affiliation and on what they think motivates him. NEVER on what he says and what he does.
They judge any Republican that sides with them to be honest and fighting for constituents. Yet any Democrat who does not toe the party line is a despicable corrupt villian that is pandering to the rich.
I could go on, but the point is that you are correct, J.
You are EXACTLY right! br Lefttists determine whet... (show quote)


Randy-they CANNOT allow actual debate on the substance and/or the historical success/failure of any of their ideas.. b/c they all SUCK and/or have historically led to disastrous results.. which any kind of civilized and formal discussion would clearly show. Their ONLY option is to distract and/or outright misrepresent their never-ending schemes.. but only in situations where these snakes know they cannot be legitimately cross-examined nor held accountable for their intentional deceit.. something these cock-sure drama queens now seem very eager/enthusiastic to engage in.. and obviously are well-equipped to perform. Our lamestream media gladly provides the stage for these h**eful fools to distract and and demonize their 'enemies' (us) from...

There was a time we were taught that to properly debate, discuss, and/or make important decisions.. you 1st had to remove your emotions (and biases).. and THEN civilly look at/discuss the pertinent 'facts' on record (before opining and/or judging)-those days are definitely gone now. This is not a partisan ideological problem either-both sides now engage in these emotional games...

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Jan 28, 2022 23:29:41   #
Justice101 wrote:
The doctors are afraid to report injuries and death from the C***d V*****ES. C***d hospitalization, cases and death data is reported daily on the John Hopkins C****-** site.


Of course they are afraid... They-just like the rest of us-have watched as our elected reps have increasingly.. and now it is looking like intentionally.. force fed us GARBAGE (that w/o question was previously known/proven to be GARBAGE). Those of us with functioning (and TDS free) brains absolutely knows what happens to anyone who stupidly attempts to point the obvious out (or notices/complains about the nasty smell).. and this retaliation/payback (for any 'doubters') being dished out has prob doubled since these current rats stole our last e******n.. I mean assumed control of a very questionable referendum. If any well-intended folks.. like educated drs whose training have equipped them to recognize and remedy medical problems/issues.. haven't noticed yet what happens to folks who interfere in the govt's schemes and bamboozles.. then the odds are very good they aren't going to notice any of the things that cause a person dedicated to their profession to stand up and say "let's hold up and check this out..." either.

The other thing that is also crystal clear now (if you bother to look), is that we don't have an ideological problem in the washington cesspool-we have a systemic one that is controlling/overseeing the whole d********g quagmire. We see the same crap over and over.. 1) The 2 sides have a namecalling contest over some ridiculous or imagined issue/agenda/crisis. 2) All the 'pouters' who got their feelings hurt, whine and caterwaul about who/what hurt them (typically in an empty chamber or meeting room and in front of some sympathetic camera..) 3) After the temper tantrums throwers finally 'run out of steam and collapse', the big kahunas will announce they're going to take it to their sacred negotiating wigwam.. and try to find some common ground. 4) Then they ALL come out (of wigwam) swaggering all lovey dovey like, to announce they've finally reached a fair compromise.. and "we are all now winners". Typically, the details-which will come out at some point later-will absolutely show all the quackery/grift these bi-partisan goons have intentionally hidden inside the thousands of pages of garbage (documenting their 'victory') they labored tirelessly over. This is the routine status quo now-wash, rinse, and repeat...

If a person hasn't realized it by now.. we basically have only 2 types of elected reps- 1) the masterminds.. who are all vindictive w/o conscience, overwhelming w/o mercy, and super duper conceded or 2) the apologists.. who for the most part are also scared to death of upsetting Group 1.. so they dedicate most of their time to trying to gloss over the crap their 'buds' are engaging in.. (ad nauseum). Both types are easy to identify-but the masterminds are def more prevalent in the dimocrat party and the apologists tend to gravitate towards the right-but regardless.. each side is deserving of equal blame and punishment. As I have said before.. 'our two main ideological groups are just flip sides of the same rotten coin.



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