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Jul 1, 2023 12:32:57   #
Milosia2 wrote:
They cost $40/unit after trump severely negotiated the deal !
I think you’re confused.
Obama started a P******c response Agency. Paired with several other agency’s.
Trump was still pissed because that black guy got everyone to laugh at him , at correspondence dinner.

Really . Where are the ventilators ?
Or better yet where is the money ?


Obama did not start a P******c Response Agency. He inherited one from the Bush administration. Trump did not eliminate it, but rather took three overlapping agencies and combined them. The medical personnel were not fired but were moved into the new Department to continue their same functions.

As for the ventilators. I can't find where you got your figures from. Please let us know.

But in general, Obama bought ventilators from China. China must surely have needed ventilators for SARS CoV-2 and would certainly no longer sell as many or at as low a price. Ventilators could have been purchased cheaper from sources other than China than the figure you gave, if either in far smaller numbers or over a far longer time period. But to get as many ventilators as the individual states were demanding, manufacturers of other products needed to be pulled into making ventilators. To do so meant retooling. This raises the costs to make them.

Where are the ventilators? Once produced, states often found they didn't want them in such high numbers after all and refused them. NY for instance demanded an additional 30,000 ventilators over what they were initially offered. But once ready, they changed their minds. So Trump sold many unwanted ventilators overseas.

Here is an article from a left wing source regarding the issue.
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/depleted-national-stockpile-contributed-to-c***d-ppe-shortage/
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Jul 1, 2023 11:56:53   #
pegw wrote:
No one is going to cut off kids genitles. I really don't know what pants in fire liar started this. A friend of mine at a major US hospital was part of a s*x c****e team. The doctors responsible for this procedure do not do it on anyone under 18. That would be unethical and would result in the loss if the doctors licence.


That might be true of those doctors or that hospital. Or the state it is in might have age restrictions. But that isn't the case everywhere in the USA. For example, Boston Children's Hospital does g****r surgery. https://www.childrenshospital.org/programs/center-g****r-surgery-program

Children's Hospitals in multiple states do "g****r affirming surgery " on minors.
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Jul 1, 2023 01:14:21   #
dwp66 wrote:
I should have been more specific: At least 13 states have no exceptions for rape or incest, but do allow exceptions when it comes to the mother's health conditions.

South Dakota, Wisconsin, Arizona, Ohio, Missouri, Kentucky, Tennessee, Arkansas, Louisiana, Texas, Alabama, Mississippi, and Florida have NO exceptions for rape or incest. There's a total ban in both Utah and Indiana, but both are currently blocked by Court orders. Three other States have exceptions for rape or incest but require it to be reported to law enforcement. Fact is, most of these are never reported.

Arizona's current 15-week ban doesn't have an exception for rape or incest. You should know that. If this is not true, post a link and show where I went wrong.

https://www.kff.org/womens-health-policy/issue-brief/a-review-of-exceptions-in-state-a******ns-bans-implications-for-the-provision-of-a******n-services/
I should have been more specific: At least 13 stat... (show quote)


Reread my reply. I said AZ doesn't have a total ban on a******ns after 15 weeks. I didn't say rape was an exception. But there was also no exceptions given for rape in Roe v Wade either. AZ a******n law is more lenient than Roe v Wade.
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Jul 1, 2023 00:42:46   #
kemmer wrote:
The Trump admin sent hundreds of separated kids all over the country, and kept no records of where they were sent.


Separating children of i******s was not a Trump policy. This was started well before Trump and dates to a 90s law requiring children be removed from their parents if in detention more than 14 days.

But the 1475 children whose whereabouts was reported as uncertain by the ORR were NOT children separated from their families. They were unaccompanied children. And the report was finalized in 2017 but was from investigating from previous years.
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Jul 1, 2023 00:17:10   #
federally indicted mattoid wrote:
Thanks kemmer. There is a well-known case of a 14 year old having to travel out of state to get an a******n after being raped.

Notice micro hasn't responded.

Also noticed blade has nothing.


Do you mean the well known case of a 10 year old rape victim in Ohio going to Indiana for an a******n? She was never denied an a******n in Ohio because she never sought one in Ohio. The Indiana doctor was an a******n activist who contacted the family and convinced them to not seek an a******n in Ohio but rather set up an a******n Indiana so it would be 3 days over the deadline for a******ns in Ohio. Meanwhile the doctor is in trouble for failing to report child abuse.
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Jun 30, 2023 16:31:02   #
Blade_Runner wrote:
Government spending is now over $6 trillion per year, almost half of that goes to paying for Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. $1.4 trillion goes to discretionary spending, such as all government agencies with the military the largest recipient. Interest payments on the national debt are close to $400 billion. Deficit spending is out of control. Unfunded Liabilities are approaching $200 TRILLION. Currently, every citizen (not just taxpayers) is liable for $572,000.

Under the circumstances, it appears to me if taxpayers were burdened with the student loan debt,
we wouldn't even feel it.

Moreover, given the quality of education (or lack thereof) offered by American universities,
they should raise tuition to $1 million per year.
This would dissuade a lot of people from submitting to l*****t indoctrination.
Government spending is now over $6 trillion per ye... (show quote)


The social security figure does not include the money coming in from workers. It is disingenuous. If social security was left in its own interest bearing account, as it is supposed to be, there would be a surplus each year. It was due to these surpluses that greedy politicians made the changes.

But I totally agree with your last paragraph!
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Jun 30, 2023 16:25:44   #
dwp66 wrote:
Nope. You are incorrect.

Fifteen of the 22 states with new or forthcoming limits on a******n after Roe do not permit exceptions for rape and incest. Read that again - no exceptions.


List the states. I've seen lists saying so, but when reading the actual a******n laws find that it just isn't so. My state of AZ is listed on pro-a******n sites as having a total ban after 15 weeks. But that is not true.

Roe v Wade gave doctors of pregnant women the right to perform or prescribe a******ns without cause within the first trimester. It did not give pregnant women the right to choose to get an a******n. And even her doctor only had that right in the first trimester.

The majority of current state a******n laws are far more lenient than Roe v Wade.
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Jun 30, 2023 16:16:35   #
1ProudAmerican wrote:
WOW, your name fits you PERFECTLY!!!!


Yes. Supply was reduced by Biden's halting of drilling on and offshore, closing multiple pipelines, not renewing many leases, and reducing the number of leases by more than 25%.
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Jun 30, 2023 14:09:16   #
kemmer wrote:
Congrats for having all those alternatives. Not everyone does. As we’ve seen in the last e******n, not everyone views a******n as murder.


So who doesn't have those alternatives? If you are referring to rape victims, those are almost always excluded from a******n restrictions. Especially in the first trimester. If someone gets pregnant by rape and doesn't want to carry the rapists child, I would think they would know so before the pregnancy is late term. But most states allow even late term a******ns for rape victims.
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Jun 30, 2023 13:40:06   #
kemmer wrote:
…and if Trump is their candidate, that’s a double whammy.
Learn the difference between babies and fetuses.


Fetus- unborn offspring of a human or animal that grows and develops in the uterus.

Baby- a very young offspring of a human or animal.

So both are offspring. One has yet to be born and the other is born but very young.
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Jun 30, 2023 11:51:33   #
Milosia2 wrote:
He first dumped the Obama Project partnered with China in W***n that monitored Epidemics.
Fired the head of the CDC and replaced her with a hairdresser .
Cut funding for everything Obama started .
What did trump say first about the p******c .
“ It’s like the flu and it will go away !”
Or don’t forget drinking bleach , taking vet meds for horses .
He also renegotiated a deal Obama made for personal ventilators.Obama s deal was to buy them for $12.00
Trump renegotiated this deal , and wound up paying over $40.00/ per unit.
He’s a great businessman , you know!
I can go on and on , but why don’t you hear this stuff at your news sources ?
He first dumped the Obama Project partnered with C... (show quote)


The W***n team had nothing to do with monitoring epidemics. You are confusing the American scientists who were at W***n with the Global Health Risk and Biosecurity team. The former he pulled out of W***n after multiple leaks and safety violations. The latter wasn't ended but rather 3 different overlapping agencies were combined. The resulting combined agency he created was the Counterproliferation and Biodefense Directorate. Each of the former agencies goals continued under the new directorate.

Your quote was from F***i. Unfortunately Trump listened to the science F***i stated and quoted F***i. But Trump didn't listen to the science when F***i said there was no reason to screen at airports or to upgrade travel warnings. Both of which Trump did well before the first known case in the USA.

Hydroxychloroquin is NOT bleach. It is an antiv***l drug approved by the FDA in 1955. It was subsequently approved for malaria and autoimmune diseases.

Ivermectin was first a human drug developed to treat river blindness. It subsequently was found to work for many things in both humans and animals. It was the 3rd drug to be given the status of WONDER DRUG. The others being aspirin and penicillin. It was FDA approved in 1987. During the SARS outbreak it was found to be effective as a SARS antiv***l. And it was studied and found to be effective against SARS CoV-2 by the NCIS. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7129059/

If Obama negotiated a deal, where were the ventilators? When Trump negotiated his deal we actually got ventilators and in sufficient numbers.
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Jun 30, 2023 11:31:56   #
Kevyn wrote:
Americans across the nation were promised relief of ten two twenty thousand dollars of student loan forgiveness. Trumps kangaroo court took this away. Guess how this will effect v**es in the 24 e******n! The same way the overturning of Row effected the 22 e******ns and will in 24! Stacking the court may end up being a gift republicans handed Democrats.


So if Biden had gotten his way, instead of the person voluntarily taking out the loan having to pay it back, taxpayers would involuntarily have to pay for those loans. While some people are too stupid or too locked into the progressive ideology to care, most taxpayers don't want to pay taxes which are so blatantly unfair. Why should I pay for someone else's college loan they asked for and agreed to pay back.

Another effect will be the colleges will have an incentive to raise tuition far higher than the exorbitant amount it already is. Why not? The "government " will pay for it.
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Jun 29, 2023 20:34:58   #
permafrost wrote:
the millions going to the family of trump must also be considerd..

What c*******m has been supported in America and by whom?

who called the free press the enemy of the state??

consider the family role and payments of the former occupent before you cast stones at the present occupent..


Trump said the enemy of the people. Not the enemy of the state. Only those who support authoritarian rule conflate the two.

Now what f*****ts and c*******ts do is encourage people to trust the news while they take control of it. No f*****t leader would tell people to mistrust the news of their own country. But rather they would tell them to disbelieve any news from outside the official channels which disagreed with what the accepted news told them. Encouraging people to be skeptical of what someone tells them is the opposite of authoritarianism.
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Jun 29, 2023 20:27:15   #
permafrost wrote:
Govonor Walz of Minnesota, brought in the NG, police from out state and shut it all down in twin cities days befor the orange ouf, even made his first self agrandish comment.. trump did nothing at all for Minnesota. Other then leave unpaid bills from his campain...

Which is more unamercan in your estamation, one who desires that he be the authoratarian at the top of the government or the people who want the freedom and right our forfather championed, but only for themselves and those just like them?
Govonor Walz of Minnesota, brought in the NG, poli... (show quote)


You say authoritarian. Show where he forced his will on any state governor or instituted any mandates outside of his constitutional authority. In fact he reduced government. Which was one of the things he was criticized for. Reduction of government does not lead to authoritarian rule. It is the opposite.

Constitutional conservatives champion the constitutional rights of all regardless of if we agree with their ideology or not. We don't say we want freedom of speech except if that speech ____ (is disinformation, is offensive to some, goes against what is politically correct, is r****t, is h**e speech, etc.) Freedom of speech, period.
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Jun 29, 2023 20:16:23   #
permafrost wrote:
The fact that local business, local police stations etc were attacked by r****rs after peaceful protests over the murder of unarmed black men such as G****e F***d , has no comparisson to the attack on our federal capital, the sitting representatives, in an attempt to overturn the elected government of America and k**l the targeted members of our government..


You are correct that there is no comparison. On J****** 6 the demonstrators came armed with phone cameras, not with weapons. All but 2 of the deaths were not through violence. The 2 being Babbitt and Boyland. Both of whom were k**led by c*****l p****e. [And federal court buildings are not local, though being local does not make it ok.]

You have nothing proving the demonstration was an attempt to o*******w the government or k**l members of the government.

The permits for the J** 6 demonstration were to let our legislators know we were watching to see that they followed the constitution and didn't read opposition v**es, illegally and unconstitutionally certified by members of the executive branch of certain state governments. In states where the legislatures certified the e*****rs and then an executive official either elected or appointed overstepped their authority to make their own opposition certification, the illegal v**es were accepted and the legal ones not, despite hundreds of legislators calls of disputes which are supposed to stop the v**e reading while the dispute is addressed. The reading continued without even acknowledging any dispute.

Far from trying to o*******w our government, the demonstration was attempting to encourage our legislators to keep our government intact. This is why the permit included a delegation to observe the joint session from the gallery. But the gallery was illegally locked as it should never be during a session of congress, let alone the extremely important joint session to read the e*****rs v**es.
(The violent agitators on J** 6 were released almost immediately.)
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