Hey Glaucon, I would love to have a real conversation with liberals but it is impossible, I've tried for 40 some years and it does not work! Yes I have some liberal beliefs but not a lot of them! You liberals are not able to understand the world as it is! I traveled the world all my adult life working for this great Nation my country the USA, not as a tourist!! From what I have experienced in my life is that the biggest threat to our Country is the Progressive Liberal mind set and the i***tic response from the Republicans!
If you’ve ever tried to explain to an extreme l*****t why some policy or ideology is good, bad, right, or wrong- you’ve probably run into a wall of shaming language, blame-mongering, and double think.
On one level, what you’re witnessing in such moments is the refusal or the inability of a person to realize that just because some certain aspect of reality is not optimal, or is unpleasant- that doesn’t make it h**eful to recognize the unpleasant fact.
For example, the fact that rape is a viable reproduction strategy in nature is an unpleasant factor in the human condition- but if you say that to a liberal, they will assume you are in favor of rape, condone it, and protect people who do it. This, of course, is wrong. Your liberal friend is then likely to do everything he or she can do to destroy you- never seeing the virtue in facing unpleasant facts.
Where the phenomenon of the liberal mind becomes especially pernicious is where l*****ts begin to seem not so much unable to discern the difference between evidence based fact and hatred, but when they appear to be using the appearance of said disability in order to retain the favor, support- and indeed the jobs- that their fellow liberals afford them for towing the line. This crony leftism is the very coinage of the metaphor of the wolf in sheep’s clothing.
On this second level of liberalism, where we see cynicism in its truest and purest form, this is where we find the Hillary Clintons, the Barack Obamas, and their like. These are the kind of l*****ts who manipulate and use the previous, dimmer kind. They are intelligent, well-educated social Marxists who do not believe the things they say- but only work to support the half of the system upon which they depend for their prosperity.
Let us take a moment for clarity. I’m using the word, ‘liberal’ under duress. Ideally, I would prefer to use the term in its classical sense which is much more akin to what is currently called Libertarianism.
Classical liberalism is the time-honored tradition of leaving others to do what they will as long as no harm comes of it. It is the ideology that humans have a natural desire to seek prosperity and to try to be free and that no government, entity, or body has a right to interfere with the innocent pursuit of prosperity and freedom.
This does not describe the liberals of today. Modern liberals believe that the officials of government are your rightful superiors, and should have the right to decide exactly where your freedoms should begin and end and that they need not even explain their reasoning to you. They believe that people exist as inextricable from the groups they belong to- whether or not they are in those groups by choice or by genetics.
For example- men are morally inferior to women because it is generally accepted that men have had it better for most of history, w****s are morally inferior to people of every other skin tone because it is generally accepted that w****s have had it the best the longest. And so on…
Modern liberals do not look at you and see an individual with a unique experience of life, a unique set of talents and flaws, and a capacity for reason and wisdom all your own. They see your g****r, your skin color, and they perceive a presumed level of “privilege” based on those two things.
They do not appear to see the fact that white men are the majority of the homeless and fill out the greatest portion of any suicide statistic. According to a modern liberal, or progressive, an AIDS infected, disabled, homeless, veteran- who is white and male- has more privilege than Michelle Obama. This, my friends, is insane- but I promise you it is not an exaggeration. I wish it was.
So to answer the question- can liberals be reasoned with, we have only to look at what they do to their own kind when their own kind t***sgress the modern liberal code.
Matt Taylor, the astrophysicist who landed a remote controlled spaceship on an asteroid- which for the record is like trying to land a grain of sand on a moving bullet- he wore a shirt that feminists didn’t like on the day his great achievement came to fruition.
His shirt had images of conventionally attractive women drawn in comic book fashion on it. Cultural Marxists shamed him so heavily that instead of celebrating his great success, as he deserved to do, he was bawling like an abashed child on national television during a press conference about the landing. And they have not let up on him ever since. He was easy prey.
There is a multitude of similar examples all as good as the story of Matt Taylor, and they all serve to answer our question, Can liberals be reasoned with? The answer is that they cannot.
Glaucon wrote:
You say you are unable to reason with liberals. Have you considered that may not all be the fault of the liberals? Of course you haven't. What could you do to make it easier to "reason" with liberals?
You say liberals are not interested in cooperation, reaching across the aisle, or sharing power are you saying that you are interested in these things and people you label as liberals are not?
Is it possible for someone to have a different opinion from yours and be right? What about those you label as liberals makes them "...cultural Marxist totalitarian bullies?
I am liberal about many things and I am conservative about many things. I don't know whether I am a conservative/liberal or a liberal/conservative. Are you liberal about some things?
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