jetson posted this comment.

a. Trolls are either atheist or unbelievers, who are afraid to say things to others face to face.

b. They travel down the internet highway looking for a place to park. A place to rant.

c. They live miserable lives. Their main goal is to make others as miserable as they are. They h**e without a cause.

d. Their minds are warped. Why would anyone want to discuss religion and argue about it, when they care nothing about God.

e. They throw feces(crap), into a fan and stand and wait for it to spin back into their faces. Seems as if they have been given over, to a reprobate mind as they say unholy things about God the Father, God Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit.

I try not to answer their ungodly remarks, but sometimes they put God down so much, I have to step in and stand up for my Creator.

I Read the article and comments moldy, and yes I did a fact check, I sent you three posted threads to you. Do you read, do you vet the source articles, This happens time and time again with you Atheist Regressive's. Pathetic on your part ?
http://www.alternet.org/belief/5-reasons-suspect-jesus-never-existed

moldyoldy, And you send this crap comment back to me to me. This article story that has been outed, vetted and debunked on the web, for over six months now, and somehow mysteriously has been 'Born Again". Atheist sarcasm.

moldyoldy, DJRich and other Atheists Progressives on this OPP website, post assertions are degrading to Christians and to Jesus Christ, this is nothing less than h**e-filled-speech and religious bigotry. Is this what we can expect from you ?

1. To counter this article from Atheist Valerie Tarico, I found two website rebuttal's commentaries. "9 Things Salon.com Gets Wrong About Jesus." by author by Jon Sorensen at http://www.strangenotions.com/9-things-salon-com-gets-wrong-about-jesus/

2. The other from Bart Ehrman, another website critic gave a scathing review, of Valerie Tarico, article, "Here are 9 facts’ you know for sure about Jesus that are probably wrong." http://benstanhope.blogspot.com/2015/03/a-historical-wreck-response-to-taricos.html

Bart Ehrman wrote: The article contains so much historical puerility and so many allusions idiomatic to sensationalist conspiracy writers that I would rather it not be read at all. I'm aware my words have been harsh, but I deem them appropriate considering Tarico's ideas have been spotlighted by Salon, Huffington and Alternet.

I'd like to think Salon and Alternet would update corrections to this article they are "proud to feature." Salon promises on its corrections page it "strives to publish accurate information at all times." I have not found a corrections page for Alternet. This is a good chance to test their integrity, but I'm not holding my breath.


The Original post: Salon.com, February, 2, 2015
The Re-posted articles:
AlterNet.com, Re-posted on February 25, 2015
Wakingtimes.com, Re-posted on February 26, 2015
vridar.org, Re-posted on February 26, 2015
Rawstory.com Re-posted on February, 27 2015
ieet.org, Re-posted on Mar 1, 2015
Benstanhope.blogspot.com, Re-posted on March 2, 2015
AlterNet.com, Re-posted on June, 30 2015
Rawstory.com Re-posted 30 June 2015

Yo moldy,

Did you get my reply,You don't know everything, you only spout off hatred and anti-Religious-Christrian bigotry. Just look at your feeble and inept post-thread article.

You can't back-up one of your assertions and claims with facts and references. Shame, shame shame.

This Anti-Christian article is a "Six Month Old," is a re-hashed-recycled "Old New's" web-article. That has been some how mysteriously been "Resurrected from The Dead," from past web-site's. e.g.,

2 February 2015." See reference articles post's, 'Re-post's and article rebuttals to Atheist Valerie Tarico. (See; below)

Several notable authors have reviewed and rebutted Atheist Valerie Tarico web article, and I'm glad I don't have to do the research, which is a lot of fact checking and work.

Can you believe it was "re-born" and re-posted yesterday, on the OPP post thread by DJRich, yourself and other atheists . "These 'FACTS" about Jesus Christ are just totally wrong in the article." Simply amazing,

I'm dumbfounded by some OPP members, in their stupidity and 'Holier-Than-Though-Atheistic Attitude and post a debunked main-stream media article from February.

That some-one would not fact-check this article ?

Go figure, DJRich, you and others on the OPP website, that their integrity would stoop this low.

Shame, shame, shame.

Thought you could get one by. Not a chance.

Touché.

Remember the old cliché that sum's their h**e filled, bodacious, audacity towards religious people and their Anti-Christian message:Once bitten twice shy."


So who could be the disingenuous parties and contentious person's on the OPP website, spreading their lies and deceit and evil ? I'll let you decide ?

Are these credible OPP post articles? Are they honest post articles and honest posted comments,? Are they fact's worthy and do their posts and comments warrant a rebuttal or reply ?

You the OPP reader's you decide ?

Valerie Tarico, article, DJRich and others on this OPP website post assertions are degrading to Christians and to Jesus Christ, this is nothing less than h**e-filled-speech and religious bigotry.


To counter this article I found two website rebuttal's commentaries. "9 Things Salon.com Gets Wrong About Jesus." by author by Jon Sorensen at http://www.strangenotions.com/9-things-salon-com-gets-wrong-about-jesus/

Bart Ehrman, another website critic gave a scathing review, of Valerie Tarico, article, "Here are 9 facts’ you know for sure about Jesus that are probably wrong."

The article contains so much historical puerility and so many allusions idiomatic to sensationalist conspiracy writers that I would rather it not be read at all.

I'm aware my words have been harsh, but I deem them appropriate considering Tarico's ideas have been spotlighted by Salon, Huffington and Alternet.

I'd like to think Salon and Alternet would update corrections to this article they are "proud to feature."

Salon promises on its corrections page it "strives to publish accurate information at all times." I have not found a corrections page for Alternet.

This is a good chance to test their integrity, but I'm not holding my breath.
I've found some interesting perspectives about Valerie Tarico, AlterNet.com, salon.com, rawstory.com and other minor websites.

This is the article story that has been touted vetted and debunked on the web, for over six months now.

The Original post: Salon.com, February, 2, 2015
The Re-posted articles:
AlterNet.com, Re-posted on February 25, 2015
Wakingtimes.com, Re-posted on February 26, 2015
vridar.org, Re-posted on February 26, 2015
Rawstory.com Re-posted on February, 27 2015
ieet.org, Re-posted on Mar 1, 2015
Benstanhope.blogspot.com, Re-posted on March 2, 2015
AlterNet.com, Re-posted on June, 30 2015
Rawstory.com Re-posted 30 June 2015


http://www.alternet.org/belief/9-things-you-think-you-know-about-jesus-are-probably-wrong

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/06/here-are-9-facts-you-know-for-sure-about-jesus-that-are-p...

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/02/9-things-you-think-you-know-about-jesus-that-are-probably...

http://www.rawstory.com/2014/08/did-historical-jesus-exist-growing-number-of-scholars-don...

http://ieet.org/index.php/IEET/more/tarico20150301

http://www.wakingtimes.com/2015/02/26/9-things-you-think-you-know-about-jesus-that-are-pr...

http://vridar.org/2015/02/26/nine-facts-you-know-for-sure-about-jesus-that-are-probably-w...

http://www.strangenotions.com/9-things-salon-com-gets-wrong-about-jesus/

http://benstanhope.blogspot.com/2015/03/a-historical-wreck-response-to-taricos.html

OPP Readers: And specifically to DJRich and diehard Atheists Pagans on this OPP website thread.

You progressive Atheists don't know everything, you only spout off hatred and anti-Religious-Christrian bigotry. Just look at your feeble and inept questions.

You can't back-up one of your assertions and claims with facts and references. Shame, shame shame.

After doing some research on Atheist Valerie Tarico, and finding multiple links to her web article's postings. "9-things-you-think-you-know-about-jesus-are-probably-wrong And similar variations on the same article theme."

This Anti-Christian article is a "Six Month Old," is a re-hashed-recycled "Old New's" web-article. That has been some how mysteriously been "Resurrected from The Dead," from past web-site's. e.g.,
February 2015." See reference articles post's, 'Re-post's and article rebuttals to Atheist Valerie Tarico. (See; below)

Several notable authors have reviewed and rebutted Atheist Valerie Tarico web article, and I'm glad I don't have to do the research, which is a lot of fact checking and work.


Can you believe it was "re-born" and re-posted yesterday, on the OPP post thread by DJRich. "Some 'FACTS" about Jesus Christ are just totally wrong in the article."

Simply amazing, I'm dumbfounded by some OPP members, in their stupidity and 'Holier-Than-Though-Atheistic Attitude and post a debunked main-stream media article from February. That some-one would not fact-check this article ?

Go figure, DJRich and others on the OPP website, their integrity would stoop this low.

What can I say, we're only human.

As Jesus Christ was Arrested, Tried in a Religious and Political Court, seven times, Jesus was found innocent, mind you. Scourged beyond recognition, ridiculed and despised for our sin's and was nailed to the Cross and suffered Crucifixion and death. The placard on the cross stated Jesus King of the Jews.

And Jesus Christ last words were recorded. "Forgive them Father, for they know what they do.

Athiest, Valerie Tarico, DJRich and others. "Forgive them Father, for they know what they do.


This website article written by Athiest, Valerie Tarico is just another rehashing of the same anti-h**e-speech-Anti-Christian perpetrated theme. This is just more nonsense by these Atheists and pagans to discourage your belief in Jesus Christ, and attack your religious principles.


OPP readers, know your "Atheist Adversaries," know how they operate. A kick in the pants, a stab in the back, they are relentless in their anti-Christian religious attacks. Can these Atheists help themselves ? Apparently not by their posting of this article post ?

OPP readers, "There is nothing New Under The Sun." Ecclesiastes 1:9, "That which has been is what will be, That which is done is what will be done, And there is nothing new under the sun." Hope you get the idiom pun.



Now one would have to ask, why would a author and notable websites 'Re-hash this same web article or variation. One, could come to several conclusion's:

a. They got website traction the last time ?
b. They needed hit's for their core web-bace readers, and for website funding.
c. They needed the notoriety, anti-Christian bashing, and or the author needed money, because she has writer's block.

Wh**ever the reason, is there any journalistic credibility here or fact worthiness to the post article ?

The article has been totally debunked.

So when our own self appointed Atheist's push their "Liberal, Regressive" agenda viewpoints on OPP readers. e.g., like DJRich, and others on the OPP website, who at this very moment are probably salivating, peeing and defecting in their pants on the article debasing the name of Jesus Christ and Christians.

Just remember OPP readers they the Atheists created their own joyful stink. I'm only vetting their Atheists anti-Christian stink.

Remember the old cliché that sum's their h**e filled, bodacious, audacity towards religious people and their Anti-Christian message:Once bitten twice shy."


So who could be the disingenuous parties and contentious person's on the OPP website, spreading their lies and deceit and evil ? I'll let you decide ?

Are these credible OPP post articles? Are they honest post articles and honest posted comments,? Are they fact's worthy and do their posts and comments warrant a rebuttal or reply ?

You the OPP reader's you decide ?

Valerie Tarico, article, DJRich and others on this OPP website post assertions are degrading to Christians and to Jesus Christ, this is nothing less than h**e-filled-speech and religious bigotry.


To counter this article I found two website rebuttal's commentaries. "9 Things Salon.com Gets Wrong About Jesus." by author by Jon Sorensen at http://www.strangenotions.com/9-things-salon-com-gets-wrong-about-jesus/

Bart Ehrman, another website critic gave a scathing review, of Valerie Tarico, article, "Here are 9 facts’ you know for sure about Jesus that are probably wrong."

The article contains so much historical puerility and so many allusions idiomatic to sensationalist conspiracy writers that I would rather it not be read at all.

I'm aware my words have been harsh, but I deem them appropriate considering Tarico's ideas have been spotlighted by Salon, Huffington and Alternet.

I'd like to think Salon and Alternet would update corrections to this article they are "proud to feature."

Salon promises on its corrections page it "strives to publish accurate information at all times." I have not found a corrections page for Alternet.

This is a good chance to test their integrity, but I'm not holding my breath.
I've found some interesting perspectives about Valerie Tarico, AlterNet.com, salon.com, rawstory.com and other minor websites.

This is the article story that has been touted vetted and debunked on the web, for over six months now.

The Original post: Salon.com, February, 2, 2015
The Re-posted articles:
AlterNet.com, Re-posted on February 25, 2015
Wakingtimes.com, Re-posted on February 26, 2015
vridar.org, Re-posted on February 26, 2015
Rawstory.com Re-posted on February, 27 2015
ieet.org, Re-posted on Mar 1, 2015
Benstanhope.blogspot.com, Re-posted on March 2, 2015
AlterNet.com, Re-posted on June, 30 2015
Rawstory.com Re-posted 30 June 2015


http://www.alternet.org/belief/9-things-you-think-you-know-about-jesus-are-probably-wrong

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/06/here-are-9-facts-you-know-for-sure-about-jesus-that-are-probably-wrong/

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/02/9-things-you-think-you-know-about-jesus-that-are-probably-wrong/

http://www.rawstory.com/2014/08/did-historical-jesus-exist-growing-number-of-scholars-dont-think-so/

http://ieet.org/index.php/IEET/more/tarico20150301

http://www.wakingtimes.com/2015/02/26/9-things-you-think-you-know-about-jesus-that-are-probably-wrong/

http://vridar.org/2015/02/26/nine-facts-you-know-for-sure-about-jesus-that-are-probably-wrong/

http://www.strangenotions.com/9-things-salon-com-gets-wrong-about-jesus/

http://benstanhope.blogspot.com/2015/03/a-historical-wreck-response-to-taricos.html

Just to remind you m.

You don't know everything, you only spout off hatred and anti-Religious-Christrian bigotry. Just look at your feeble and inept questions. Your the king, of the Atheist one-liners that's all you well ever be. You can't back-up one of your assertions and claims with facts and references. Shame, shame shame.

OPP Readers: And specifically to diehard Atheists Pagans on this OPP website thread.

After doing some research on Atheist Valerie Tarico, and finding multiple links to her web article's postings. "9-things-you-think-you-know-about-jesus-are-probably-wrong And similar variations on the same article theme."

This Anti-Christian article is a "Six Month Old," is a re-hashed-recycled "Old New's" web-article. That has been some how mysteriously been "Resurrected from The Dead," from past web-site's. e.g.,
February 2015." See reference articles post's, 'Re-post's and article rebuttals to Atheist Valerie Tarico. (See; below)

Several notable authors have reviewed and rebutted Atheist Valerie Tarico web article, and I'm glad I don't have to do the research, which is a lot of fact checking and work.


Can you believe it was "re-born" and re-posted yesterday, on the OPP post thread by DJRich. "Some 'FACTS" about Jesus Christ are just totally wrong in the article."

Simply amazing, I'm dumbfounded by some OPP members, in their stupidity and 'Holier-Than-Though-Atheistic Attitude and post a debunked main-stream media article from February. That some-one would not fact-check this article ?

Go figure, DJRich and others on the OPP website, their integrity would stoop this low.

What can I say, we're only human.

As Jesus Christ was Arrested, Tried in a Religious and Political Court, seven times, Jesus was found innocent, mind you. Scourged beyond recognition, ridiculed and despised for our sin's and was nailed to the Cross and suffered Crucifixion and death. The placard on the cross stated Jesus King of the Jews.

And Jesus Christ last words were recorded. "Forgive them Father, for they know what they do.

Athiest, Valerie Tarico, DJRich and others. "Forgive them Father, for they know what they do.


This website article written by Athiest, Valerie Tarico is just another rehashing of the same anti-h**e-speech-Anti-Christian perpetrated theme. This is just more nonsense by these Atheists and pagans to discourage your belief in Jesus Christ, and attack your religious principles.


OPP readers, know your "Atheist Adversaries," know how they operate. A kick in the pants, a stab in the back, they are relentless in their anti-Christian religious attacks. Can these Atheists help themselves ? Apparently not by their posting of this article post ?

OPP readers, "There is nothing New Under The Sun." Ecclesiastes 1:9, "That which has been is what will be, That which is done is what will be done, And there is nothing new under the sun." Hope you get the idiom pun.



Now one would have to ask, why would a author and notable websites 'Re-hash this same web article or variation. One, could come to several conclusion's:

a. They got website traction the last time ?
b. They needed hit's for their core web-bace readers, and for website funding.
c. They needed the notoriety, anti-Christian bashing, and or the author needed money, because she has writer's block.

Wh**ever the reason, is there any journalistic credibility here or fact worthiness to the post article ?

The article has been totally debunked.

So when our own self appointed Atheist's push their "Liberal, Regressive" agenda viewpoints on OPP readers. e.g., like DJRich, and others on the OPP website, who at this very moment are probably salivating, peeing and defecting in their pants on the article debasing the name of Jesus Christ and Christians.

Just remember OPP readers they the Atheists created their own joyful stink. I'm only vetting their Atheists anti-Christian stink.

OPP Readers: And specifically to diehard Atheists Pagans on this OPP website thread.

After doing some research on Atheist Valerie Tarico, and finding multiple links to her web article's postings. "9-things-you-think-you-know-about-jesus-are-probably-wrong And similar variations on the same article theme."

This Anti-Christian article is a "Six Month Old," is a re-hashed-recycled "Old New's" web-article. That has been some how mysteriously been "Resurrected from The Dead," from past web-site's. e.g.,
February 2015." See reference articles post's, 'Re-post's and article rebuttals to Atheist Valerie Tarico. (See; below)

Several notable authors have reviewed and rebutted Atheist Valerie Tarico web article, and I'm glad I don't have to do the research, which is a lot of fact checking and work.


Can you believe it was "re-born" and re-posted yesterday, on the OPP post thread by DJRich. "Some 'FACTS" about Jesus Christ are just totally wrong in the article."

Simply amazing, I'm dumbfounded by some OPP members, in their stupidity and 'Holier-Than-Though-Atheistic Attitude and post a debunked main-stream media article from February. That some-one would not fact-check this article ?

Go figure, DJRich and others on the OPP website, their integrity would stoop this low.

What can I say, we're only human.

As Jesus Christ was Arrested, Tried in a Religious and Political Court, seven times, Jesus was found innocent, mind you. Scourged beyond recognition, ridiculed and despised for our sin's and was nailed to the Cross and suffered Crucifixion and death. The placard on the cross stated Jesus King of the Jews.

And Jesus Christ last words were recorded. "Forgive them Father, for they know what they do.

Athiest, Valerie Tarico, DJRich and others. "Forgive them Father, for they know what they do.


This website article written by Athiest, Valerie Tarico is just another rehashing of the same anti-h**e-speech-Anti-Christian perpetrated theme. This is just more nonsense by these Atheists and pagans to discourage your belief in Jesus Christ, and attack your religious principles.


OPP readers, know your "Atheist Adversaries," know how they operate. A kick in the pants, a stab in the back, they are relentless in their anti-Christian religious attacks. Can these Atheists help themselves ? Apparently not by their posting of this article post ?

OPP readers, "There is nothing New Under The Sun." Ecclesiastes 1:9, "That which has been is what will be, That which is done is what will be done, And there is nothing new under the sun." Hope you get the idiom pun.



Now one would have to ask, why would a author and notable websites 'Re-hash this same web article or variation. One, could come to several conclusion's:

a. They got website traction the last time ?
b. They needed hit's for their core web-bace readers, and for website funding.
c. They needed the notoriety, anti-Christian bashing, and or the author needed money, because she has writer's block.

Wh**ever the reason, is there any journalistic credibility here or fact worthiness to the post article ?

The article has been totally debunked.

So when our own self appointed Atheist's push their "Liberal, Regressive" agenda viewpoints on OPP readers. e.g., like DJRich, and others on the OPP website, who at this very moment are probably salivating, peeing and defecting in their pants on the article debasing the name of Jesus Christ and Christians.

Just remember they created their own joyful stink. I'm only vetting their anti-Christian stink.

Remember the old cliché that sum's their h**e filled, bodacious, audacity towards religious people and their Anti-Christian message:Once bitten twice shy."


So who could be the disingenuous parties and contentious person's on the OPP website, spreading their lies and deceit and evil ? I'll let you decide ?

Are these credible OPP post articles? Are they honest post articles and honest posted comments,? Are they fact's worthy and do their posts and comments warrant a rebuttal or reply ?

You the OPP reader's you decide ?

Valerie Tarico, article, DJRich and others on this OPP website post assertions are degrading to Christians and to Jesus Christ, this is nothing less than h**e-filled-speech and religious bigotry.


To counter this article I found two website rebuttal's commentaries. "9 Things Salon.com Gets Wrong About Jesus." by author by Jon Sorensen at http://www.strangenotions.com/9-things-salon-com-gets-wrong-about-jesus/

Bart Ehrman, another website critic gave a scathing review, of Valerie Tarico, article, "Here are 9 facts’ you know for sure about Jesus that are probably wrong."

The article contains so much historical puerility and so many allusions idiomatic to sensationalist conspiracy writers that I would rather it not be read at all.

I'm aware my words have been harsh, but I deem them appropriate considering Tarico's ideas have been spotlighted by Salon, Huffington and Alternet.

I'd like to think Salon and Alternet would update corrections to this article they are "proud to feature."

Salon promises on its corrections page it "strives to publish accurate information at all times." I have not found a corrections page for Alternet.

This is a good chance to test their integrity, but I'm not holding my breath.
I've found some interesting perspectives about Valerie Tarico, AlterNet.com, salon.com, rawstory.com and other minor websites.

This is a story that has been touted on the web, for over six months now.

The Original post: Salon.com, February, 2, 2015
The Re-posted articles:
AlterNet.com, Re-posted on February 25, 2015
Wakingtimes.com, Re-posted on February 26, 2015
vridar.org, Re-posted on February 26, 2015
Rawstory.com Re-posted on February, 27 2015
ieet.org, Re-posted on Mar 1, 2015
Benstanhope.blogspot.com, Re-posted on March 2, 2015
AlterNet.com, Re-posted on June, 30 2015
Rawstory.com Re-posted 30 June 2015


http://www.alternet.org/belief/9-things-you-think-you-know-about-jesus-are-probably-wrong March 2, 2015

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/06/here-are-9-facts-you-know-for-sure-about-jesus-that-are-probably-wrong/

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/02/9-things-you-think-you-know-about-jesus-that-are-probably-wrong/

http://www.rawstory.com/2014/08/did-historical-jesus-exist-growing-number-of-scholars-dont-think-so/

http://ieet.org/index.php/IEET/more/tarico20150301

http://www.wakingtimes.com/2015/02/26/9-things-you-think-you-know-about-jesus-that-are-probably-wrong/

http://vridar.org/2015/02/26/nine-facts-you-know-for-sure-about-jesus-that-are-probably-wrong/

http://www.strangenotions.com/9-things-salon-com-gets-wrong-about-jesus/

http://benstanhope.blogspot.com/2015/03/a-historical-wreck-response-to-taricos.html

1. http://www.talmudblasphemy.com/talmud-and-Jesus.htm
2. http://www.doxa.ws/Jesus_pages/Talmud_JC.html
3.https://www.bc.edu/content/dam/files/research_sites/cjl/texts/cjrelations/resources/articles/cook_rabbis_and_Jesus.htm
4. Midrash and kabbalah references: http://www.jewsforjesus.org/publications/issues/v18-n02/01

marcus your a Evolutionist-Darwinist ney-sayer atheist.

You can't stop marcus, from spouting your crap about, their is no God.

I have proved time and time again, their was a historical Jesus Christ. Their are records, by the Jewish Midrash and Tumid in the Pentateuch Torah.

Marcus you would most probably renounce and deny your own mother, if she was a Christian.

There are the usual historical references: Philo and Josephus, which you clearly think they are f**e's historical figures and references to Jesus Christ, Your atheistic ramblings and can easily be disproven.

Prove your non-historical point Marcus. Facts not Conjecture to the Jewish references of Jesus Christ in Talmud and Midrash.? ? ?

Ask your self why would the Jewish Sanhedrin record this historical record of Jesus Christ in the Talmud and Midrash.

I'm going to hammer this point every time you say their is no God.

Oh and good morning.

did you know about this site ? Then it was a secret.

Artemis, Peace, and with His Spirit, be upon you.

Its like this theory of mine, I say time to time, about the avocado and the mango seeds. They are too big, couldn't God make them smaller, what about the Giraffe ? Do you think God made a mistake ? Just some humor.

I can't imagine why he chose not to, did he feel the need to recording" his word" unimportant ?

[b/]When you read the the Old and New Testament are you not compelled to dig further into the messages of God. No God did this on purpose to bring out our Faith like a small child, when a small child trusts, I think we don't always need to question God.

Artemis, I believe that God graces us all, some more than others. It is you that need to open your heart and mind to those graces that He extends you.[/b]

Do me a favor, please listen to this biblical and historical minister on this website, it will open up many doors. Unfortunately the minister talks a lot about messianic prophesy. But the Old and New Testament is filled with prophesy am I right ?
http://www.allaboutgod.com/chuck-missler.htm
http://www.firefighters.org/html/library.cfm



It would have stopped much of the second guessing.

Yes I agree with you 100 %, but then we would not need our Faith in God would we. Just think God as a spiritual father, Spiritually God is giving you nourishment for your soul and is guiding you path through life and for his Salvation.



He was the son of God, therefore it has nothing to do with was he capable or not, we know he was. Awesome thought now your on the right path Artemis.

As you say how can we presume to know, all we can do is wonder. Amen. Do you know the definition of AMEN from the Hebrew to the English ? "I believe !"



Even if he had wrote his own book he would have still needed the Apostles to be a witness and spread his word. I think that was the plan along.

Are we not allowed to wonder. I'm amassed every day of my life, I look at his majesty nature, the thunderstorm we are having now and the rain the beauty.



Let me ask you, has this old book written by men been a restraint of the other possibilities of what or who God is ? I have no doubts at all after some of the things I have seen and have been given a sad but wonderful life.

Artemis, Re-learn Genesis start digging deeper into your spiritual life, I can never learn enough. I've read the Bible over six times, and countless passages and books that defy human logic. No this "Old Book," is always fresh and new.
http://www.allaboutgod.com/chuck-missler.htm



Man always questions religion, God. It's in our human nature we can't help ourselves. Stop second guessing your self. Your on the right path. You have accepted the divinity of Our Lord, thats the first step, now to know your faith.

Look at the origins of the Apostles and early church fathers. They were being persecuted and k**led by their belief and faith in Jesus Christ. If I only had as much faith as they had in Jesus Christ.



Did God create us in his own image? Or was that the only way a simple self centered man would create a story about the creation of life?
Accept the divinity of Our Lord, have Faith Artemis.

Creating God to be the image of man? I do not mean anything, I've just said with disrespect, it is where I have doubt or disbelief as you asked.
I realize what your saying, go and listen to Genesis from the beginning and open yourself to God's word. http://www.allaboutgod.com/chuck-missler.htm


Maybe God is beyond our simple comprehension.

Here is a story, that I heard. Hopefully i'm paraphrasing it correctly. Lets say we have a planet, full of giants that God created, And God sends his only begotten son to this planet, as a miniature dog, and he was told to convert these blood thirsty waring pagans. Something to think about ?



If time is eternity than we must replicate a grain of sand to all the sand in the world. For me the Bible maybe preventing us to really see what the possibilities really are.
No my friend you are have just begun your journey, learn peace in your heart, mind and your soul.

If life has been around for eons it would make sense that life takes different forms of energy and never dies, as the soul, maybe travels through time and space. This may seem far fetched to you, I only wonder.



A true Christian heartfelt story Artemis, because I was there to have witnessed this loving story.

The day that I was laid off from this movie I was working on, I drove to my mothers and fathers house. When I arrived no one was there. Eventually my Sister and Father came home and got out of the car. I asked where mom was, I was told in the hospital for observation.

I was asked, would I watch Dad. I said sure, and my sister said she would be up in a week. Earlier that night mom had slipped into a coma, that morning I received a call from the hospital, saying that my Mom was in a coma since 11:00 pm.

Well I got Dad up and drove immediately to the Hospital. After getting dad situated, I spoke to the Doctors He sat me down and gave me the bad news and then gave the sad news to dad my brothers sisters and Grandchildren.

I spoke to Nurse in the Intensive Care unit and asked the nurse to call the Priest for Last Rites and anointing the sick. Mom was totally unresponsive and on a facial respirator which was breathing for her.

Well the priest arrived, and I said to Mom the Priest was here. She opened her eyes. Amen.

The Priest asked me and wanted to give her communion, I told no, that she has been unresponsive and in a coma for the past 8 hours.

Mom's Oxygen saturation levels even with the respirator breathing machines were in 50's and normally should be in the 90's. She was totally cyanotic or unresponsive with those oxygen levels and her fingertips were almost blue no blood circulation.

I mentioned to the Priest, that Last Rites and Anointing of the Sick would be fine. My Father, the Priest and myself held Moms hand and we said several prayers and he gave the Last Rites and Anointing of the Sick.

When this was done, Mom immediately closed her eyes, never to open them again. Not soon after this we turned the breathing machine off.

Within five minutes she passed, and was in no pain.

To this day, Priests, Doctors, Nurses or my brothers or sisters can give no explanation or any reason to understand, how and why Mom opened up her eyes for two to three minutes.

I give this testament to you Artemis, about my Mothers Faith in God and my testament to have been graced by God's Love. With my Father and the Priest to have witness and observe, Gods blessings and my mothers total commitment to faith in God, her Savior.

In reality to what we know. We have our Faith, because Our Redeemer lives.

Artemis, This does NOT devalue the message of Jesus, but it does put forth who was he really. Again, Artemis, I'm not sure specifically or very clear as to what your asking or telling me here, ?

As the many Jews feel he was a master teacher a prophet but NOT their Messiah. The Scribes, Pharisees Rabi's, Sadducees Rabi's, Essenes Rabi's, Zealots, Samaritans priests and the Roman would all agree with you. Sorry, Artemis just having some fun.

Maybe he was a man so far connected to the divine powers, the divine powers which connects all of us to each other and all of life, that he had the ability to create the miracles he made possible.

Artemis I asked you in a question, are you having doubts ? You responded "I have some doubts, not doubts of divinity, doubts of the "written" word and the interpretation's of each particular author.

Are you still having doubts about Jesus Christ's divinity ? You seem to be wavering here ?

Just some thought.



Why did Jesus Christ ministry succeed with-out the written words of Jesus Christ on velum or papyrus. I can't answer that question.

I believe his words of course touched the hearts of many, more than any other, he came here bearing no weapons, only to speak of love and forgiveness. Not in the way of the old testament. It was in a more peaceful way to accept your brothers. It was and is beautiful. He changed the world for the better. You mean Jesus Christ's divinity ?

Unfortunately some of us have found undesirable and harsh quotes from the bible, and this is why my beliefs have changed to a more loving spirit than what I have found in the new testament. Then you have your doubts, about the New testament teaching of Jesus Christ's and you referring to Jesus Christ's divinity ?

Artemis, are you saying that you are modifying another version of the 2,800 different forms of Protestant Christianity ?

Artemis, one word comes to me, and I'm not being judgmental. Justification ! One must take the good and the bad of the Bible, just as we take our daily lives. We can-not be shopping cart Christians, as we pick and choose what we like and dislike about Christianity.

Thats why God gave us freedom of choice, "Free Will." Act your gut instinct, your first choice is usually right, but on the other hand discernment contemplation and prayer is a powerful weapon against indecisiveness, pray some more.

It is hard for me to discuss religion, I am not a religious person. I don't feel I need a church or the mantra of a group.

Listen my friend we all go through doubts, Your doing a great job, your asking questions, and you said that you learned some information that you had not heard before.

As I said earlier in a a thread post to you Artemis. The funny thing about history is, just when you think you know everything, history and religion, throw's you a curve ball. Then you need to rethink, your perspective of the historical accounts of Jesus Christ.


Yet why do some many miss this simple message. You mean Jesus Christ's divinity or do you mean "Human Nature" ?

We all have original sin, but we have divine intervention the written and spoken word of Jesus Christ and the fulfillment of biblical prophesy of the Old and New Testament. I do believe I will be saved and will have salvation from our Lord, He is the Way, the T***h and The Life.


I will have to continue this later this evening, my apologies, but you have put up much to discuss and I hope others share their opinions too but also in a peaceful and respectful manner. Your doing a great job, thank you for your kindness honesty and sincerity.

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Quite honestly Artemis, I don't believe that I'm that presumptuous, that I could speak for Jesus Christ on this matter, for why he did not write any written books. He did have a untimely crucifixion and death.

But Jesus foretold accurately, and what was prophesied in the Old Testament and was completed in the fulfillment of the Resurrection.

The miracles, his 4 Gospel message's and messages in, "Acts of the Apostles," is one the greatest story told to mankind that has lasted almost 2,000 years. After his resurrection. The writing alone and message is incredible.


Would you like to understand the bible in a totally different way of understanding ? Explanations of Hebrew, Greek, Aramaic and Latin in a way that could alter your perception about the Bible the Old and the New Testaments ?

I'm not converting you, I said Listen to this compelling biblical orator business and scientist. Just listen to Genesis 26 tapes. It could give you some biblical incite and new knowledge. Try one tape the first seven days and creation ?

Do me a favor, please listen to this biblical and historical minister. http://www.allaboutgod.com/chuck-missler.htm
http://www.firefighters.org/html/library.cfm



Artemis, Hundreds, and possibly thousands saw, Jesus Christ they touched him, ate with him and he gave his message to all his disciples his Apostles to preach to the ends of the earth.

As to the reason why Jesus did-not record or write anything down. The only thing I can say was that he was focused on salvation and his teaching ministry.



Are you having second thoughts about your question ? Having any doubts about his 650 plus, biblical prophetic references: Christ's birth, life and death of the Messiah ?

1. Yes I have some doubts, not doubts of divinity, doubts of the "written" word and the interpretation's of each particular author. I'm not sure specifically or very clear as to what your asking or telling me here, Artemis?

I'm going to take a chance, and might be off the mark on this one.


Old or New Testament or both ? The Bible - Catholic 73 books ? or the Protestant 66 Books ?

It has been reported that at the council of Nicaea the canonical book list was inclusive. But on another website I see that 367 AD, St. Athanasius came up with a list of 73 books for the Bible that he believed to be divinely inspired.

This list was finally approved by Pope Damasus I, in 382 AD, and was formally approved by the Church Council of Rome in that same year.

Later Councils at Hippo (393 AD) and Carthage (397 AD) ratified this list of 73 books.

In 405 AD, Pope Innocent I wrote a letter to the Bishop of Toulouse reaffirming this canon of 73 books.

In 419 AD, the Council of Carthage reaffirmed this list, which Pope Boniface agreed to.

The Council of Trent, in 1546, in response to the Protestant Reformation removing 7 books from the canon (canon is a Greek word meaning “standard”), reaffirmed the original St. Athanasius list of 73 books.



So what happened? How come the King James Bible only has 66 books? Well, Martin Luther didn’t like 7 books of the Old Testament that disagreed with his personal view of theology, so he threw them out of his bible in the 16th Century.

His reasoning was that the Jewish Council of Jamnia in 90 AD didn’t think they were canonical, so he didn’t either.

The 300 B.C.E. Septuagint, includes the disputed 7 books that Protestants do not recognize as scriptural. Hummmm interesting don't you agree ?



2. People are only human and with flaws and to their belief gets blended with the word of Jesus. I agree with you there humans are flawed even Popes, they are only human.

Again, Artemis, I'm not sure specifically or very clear as to what your asking or telling me here, ?

3. personally I enjoy conversations like this because it pushes me to research something I probably never would have. As I did after your post and found some interesting information.

Apparently I am not the only one to be skeptical of some of the authors who some being an apostle. Again, Artemis, I'm not sure specifically or very clear as to what your asking or telling me here, ?

Here is a more accurate reason to the for the The Bible - Catholic 73 books and or the Protestant 66 Books ?

It was interesting to find out that the over viewers - the Roman Catholic Church and the Protestant churches who made the approval to what was recognized to be included in the Bible.

This is what I found out:

Both the Roman Catholic and Protestant Bibles have thirty-nine books in the Old Testament and twenty-seven in the New.

The difference is that a Roman Catholic Bible accepted has an additional eleven books inserted between the Testaments. Where did these books come from?

But there was another group of books that are accepted by the Roman Catholic Church but rejected by Protestants.

These books originated in a canon in Alexandria in Egypt.

It was in this city in 250 B.C. that the Old Testament was t***slated into Greek and called the Septuagint, meaning “seventy.”

The 300 250 B.C.E. Greek Septuagint, includes the disputed 7 books that Protestants do not recognize as scriptural.

Hummmm interesting don't you agree ? When you see all the Apocrypha books 'Deuterocanonical' category and The apocryphal New Testament "Letter of Paul to the Laodiceans." At some time there needs to be an end and additions to the Holy Bible. Hence The "council of Nicaea the canonical book list was inclusive.


These books, commonly called the Apocrypha (the word means “hidden”), are interwoven among the books of the Old Testament. In all, there are fifteen books, eleven of which are accepted as canonical by the Roman Catholic Church.

There are many other apocryphal books, which do not fall into the 'Deuterocanonical' category, such as the many additional New Testament Gospels, and the apocalyptic book of Enoch. Check out this website source, there are a lot more Apocrypha books out there and there many Gnostic biblical texts books out there also.

With one exception, all of these books are considered 'Old Testament'.
1 Esdras, 2 Esdras, Additions to Esther,1 Macabees, 2 Macabees, Tobias, Judith, Wisdom, Sirach, Baruch, Epistle of Jeremiah, Susanna, Prayer of Azariah, Prayer of Manasseh, Bel and the D**gon.

Laodiceans The apocryphal New Testament 'Letter of Paul to the Laodiceans', was once incorporated in many versions of the Bible. However Laodiceans is now considered just a pastiche of other Epistles, and is omitted from contemporary Bibles.

The Lost Books of the Bible, edited by Rutherford H. Platt, Jr. [1926]. A collection of NT apocrypha and pseudepigrapha. http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/lbob/index.htm

The Biblical Antiquities of Philo, t***slated by M. R. James [1917] An alternative pseudepigraphal narrative of the Hebrew Bible from Genesis through 1 Samuel, written in the first century C.E. http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/bap/index.htm

The Gospel of Thomas, Reputedly the writings of the apostle 'Doubting Thomas'. This text purports to be a collection of the sayings of Jesus. Traditionally Thomas was Jesus' twin brother. This text shows strong Gnostic influence. http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/thomas.htm

The Didache, by Charles H. Hoole [1894]. A very early Christian apocryphal text. http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/did/index.htm

The Sibylline Oracles, tr. by Milton S. Terry [1899]. The Sibylline books were oracular Roman scrolls; these are the pseudo-Sibylline Oracles. There many similarities to early Christian writings, and they were quoted by the Church Fathers. http://www.sacred-texts.com/cla/sib/index.htm

The Book of Enoch, T***slated by R.H. Charles [1917]. An etext of a critical edition of the Book of Enoch. Enoch introduced such concepts as fallen Angels, the Messiah, the Resurrection, and others. http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/boe/index.htm

The Book of Enoch the Prophet, T***slated by Richard Laurence [1883]. An earlier and very influential 19th century t***slation of 1 Enoch. http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/bep/index.htm

The Book of Jubilees tr. by R.H. Charles [1917] A text from the 2nd century B.C.E. which covers much of the same ground as Genesis, with some interesting additional details. It may have been an intermediate form of Genesis which was incorporated into later versions.http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/jub/index.htm

Slavonic Life of Adam and Eve. http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/apo/slanev.htm

The Books of Adam and Eve. This is the t***slation of the Books of Adam and Eve from the Oxford University Press Apocrypha and Pseudepigrapha. http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/apo/adamnev.htm

The Book of Jasher. http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/apo/jasher/index.htm

Excerpts from the Gospel of Mary. This fragment, of disputed authenticity, puts the relationship between Mary Magdalen, Jesus and the Apostles in a radically different perspective than traditional beliefs. http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/apo/marym.htm

http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/apo/
http://www.bibleodyssey.org/en/tools/bible-basics/what-are-noncanonical-writings.aspx

More noncanonical-writings.
The First Book of Adam and Eve, The Second Book of Adam and Eve
The Book of the Secrets of Enoch, The Psalms of Solomon, The Odes of Solomon, The Letter of Aristeas, Fourth Book of Maccabees, The Story of Ahikar, The Testaments of the Twelve Patriarchs, Testament of Reuben, Testament of Simeon, Testament of Levi, The Testament of Judah, The Testament of Issachar, The Testament of Zebulun, The Testament of Dan, The Testament of Naphtali, The Testament Of Gad, The Testament of Asher, The Testament of Joseph, The Testament of Benjamin.

But because four of the eleven are combined with Old Testament books, the Douay Version contains only seven additional books in its table of contents. see http://vulsearch.sourceforge.net/text.html) http://www.drbo.org/lvb/

Jerome rejected the Deuterocanonical books when he was t***slating the Bible into Latin circa 450 CE, (see the Vulgate). This was because no Hebrew version of these texts could be found, even though they were present in the Greek Old Testament (the Septuagint).

However, they eventually were accepted by the Church, and most of them remained part of the Bible.

Protestants rejected these books during the Reformation as lacking divine authority. They either excised them completely or placed them in a third section of the Bible.

The Roman Catholic Council of Trent, on the other hand, declared in 1546 that the Deuterocanonical books were indeed divine.

(Allegedly the t***slation was made in seventy days utilizing seventy scholars.)

This explains why some of the earliest manuscripts of the Septuagint that exist today (dating back to the fourth century) contain these additional books.

Realizing this I do question the complete validity of "ALL" that is between the pages. Artemis do you see the controversy, from 1517 and the Protestant reformation.

Sadly this removal has been done after the reformation of 1517 by Martin Luther and a slow removal of Jewishness and Catholicism by the 2,800 different kinds of Protestant Christian denominations. There is no problem with the original Septuagint Greek bible of 73 books, thus no controversy.

Artemis, now we can start from a reference point and discuss theology.

Of 7000 years, never thought this was going to happen.

I need to take a break and go back throughout the post thread to see if I missed any of your comments and replies.