Julen and my disagreements go way back back on this OPP web-site, this quite often happens with offensive, demeaning comments, to others and myself. When that happens, well lets just say, you've seen my comments.

Is it right, No. Will I turn the other cheek, Thats up to our post troll friend Once Bitten twice shy, as the cliché, idiom says.

Dialog is a two way street, and it is about facts, logic and cited sources, URL information ect. When one part of the dialogue end's, such as facts, then the conversation is over. When one-liner insult begin's, all gloves are off. Do you not agree ?

Condoning, Apathy and the 68 Secret P**********l directives laws, was the subject. References, facts and information was provided to proceed forward with the dialog. Was their any dialog to this issue. NO.

Some members on this site, only comment for the sake of commenting. Their thrill and one second of fame. They are just agitators, our friend on this thread happens to be a site Trolls from this tread and from past experience.

Others as yourself have have respect others opinions. Some others are not so tolerant. Do you agree ?

Read the post thread from the beginning. I do not go out of my way to be insulting. I will give the other commenter to state facts and opinions and to have a dialogue of ideas and viewpoints.

My apologies if this post tread articles have offended you, but you know about the OPP beast, that lies below the surface. Let's not be naive.

I think I will weigh in.

Due to the information made available, we know Obama has continued to goern along the lines of Reagan/Bush/Clinton neoliberal corporate-rule.

You know so much more than I do, so refute that based on facts.

You may find it impossible.


So lets get to the issue at hand.

Do you condone and I'm only talking about Obama Secret directives and 68 laws ?

If you do then you are also apathetic condone Obama Secret directives and 68 laws ?

This is the issue here. Nothing else, or are you standing and looking the other way in regards to these P**********l secret laws ? Did you even go to the website, because it lists all presidents ?

Roosevelt was the first to inapt this precedent and during WWII and why has this policy continued ?

Thanks, I know the verse well.

I just couldn't read it in the small avatar.

Got my Armor of God every day before I go out my door, and on the OPP website. Amen. "I Believe"

All knowing J Anthony, This is the issue on the post thread, care to weigh-in Obama's secret laws ?

I don't support any president that makes secret laws, past, present or future.

Care to comment on my statement about the 68 Obama's P**********l Secret directives laws. ?

J Anthony Actually I was very factual and accurate. Ignorant on this subject, don't think so. Your comment is neither factual or relevant. A Man Has got to know his limitations. Dirty Harry Callahan

Obama's P**********l Secret 68, PPD, PDS, and EO directive Laws. "You Condoned this Apathy". . . . . ambivalence to these facts and reported URL websites.

Obama, has now tied Bush, on Secret EO's PPD, and PSD's and we still have 18 month to go. Hmmmm ? And please don't use the Argument that Reagan and others Presidents did the same thing.

I personally do not condone and or have the same apathy as you have Julan on these reported facts "Secret P**********l directive laws."

a. Secret P**********l Executive Orders http://fas.org/irp/offdocs/ppd/index.html
b. Secret PPD P**********l Orders http://fas.org/irp/offdocs/psd/index.html
c. Secret PSD P**********l Orders http://fas.org/irp/offdocs/direct.htm

I bow, to your elegant response and am humbled. I hope that this reply fosters insight and improves your writing capabilities.

astrolite, did you know that their are more women authors then men, women tend to write later on in their 50's to 90'. Just a tidbit of useless zero's and one's, I picked up somewhere.



astrolite, these trolls have a pattern, just like in engineering, numbers and with machinery, electricity, they all follow pattern's or laws. Yes ? Eventually you will recognize their weaknesses and see the patterns.

It's about their word and phrase's sentence structure, the idioms they use and phraseology usage, its really uncanny when you see the pattern recognition and then it kicks in, and you recognize their argumentative writing style pattern.



Recently took a College course "Everything is an Argument." The book also goes by that title. http://bcs.bedfordstmartins.com/everythingsanargument6e/
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1457606062?tag=httprunlimcom-20

Find news articles to read, and copying and pasting these articles articles that you are interested in, it helps. e.g., Having a URL article at the ready, at all times helps to vet and substantiate the facts you are writing about especially to a troll. It's a literary-eng****ring thing, that you will develop.

I'm find that I have a journal on various subjects and topics. I also save what I have written on the OPP. It helps that I don't have to repeat yourself. That said I had a Christianity post thread that I was ready to copy and paste my reply.

It's all about Facts, Facts, Facts, trolls never argue facts, they only argue about opinions and social matters. It's the emotional side, the touchy-feely types of things on a issue, not the actual factual side of life. As in this post thread.

They the Trolls don't talk politics, and if they do its their Troll politics. You have to crossover to their side to make your point. Their is no give or take from a Troll.

Wait for bad bob, Obama, and Hillary pictures, and comments we kicked GOP butt. The Butt mooron, on the site, he is harmless and has no other opinion but a smiley face avatar.

As was in this post thread. e.g., Did it matter that Obama was making Secret directives and laws. No. It was all about protecting one of their own, the president and his policies. It's Pack animal mentality, to put it bluntly.

When it comes to facts and the salient points to an (discussion) I use that term loosely. Their discussion is always one-sided, their thoughts, their opinions matter more than yours.

As was Julan last superior reply. jelun wrote: Nope cuz you see. If what you have have say doesn't describe me then you are not talking about me. Nice try, though. Do you see the superior pattern and argumentative writing style ?

Trolls first marginalize peoples opinions. for example one of my first OPP posts was about who and what a troll is and how they behave. If that doesn't work Plan b. then plan c. . . . . .

Web readers on the OPP website were shocked that I defined the different kinds of trolls, and patterns on the website and their written actions.

Astrolite, How dare I state the obvious, I was shutting down free speech. They came unglued. As you said Politics is not logical, a nightmare! Too many different personalities!

I think John Wayne said: “Life's hard. It's even harder when you're stupid.”
“You're short on ears and long on mouth.”
“If you've got them by the balls their hearts and minds will follow.”
"The reason there are so many stupid people is because it's illegal to k**l them." John Wayne
The wolf cares not, how many the sheep be." Plato
"A man has got to know his limitations." Dirty Harry Callahan
"Well, boys, the've got us surrounded.... the bastards can't get away now!"
-- Chesty Puller
"The true soldier fights not because he h**es what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him.""
-- G.K. Chesterton



astrolabe let me summarize my point here. Trolling, Its a computer cult of people on this site with narcissistic personality typically regressive, "Do-Goodism" and all about Liberals.

Here are the 6 of the "Trolls" or "Trolling attributes that you both have joined, and should be labeled as:

a. Sea-Lioning Troll's, Self-Appointed "Good Cop"
b. Concern Troll's, Pseudo-Displays of "Constructive Criticism"
c. Gish Galloping Troll's, Falsehoods nitpicking arguments unrelated details
d. Impersonation Troll's, create h**x impersonation accounts in your name
e. Dog-Piling Troll's, Online silencing, Cyber Mob to discredit a target
f. Gas-Lighting Troll's, Giving false information to cause self-doubt.

Looking at your comments on the "Internetting" post, “A Guide to "Internetting": The internet breakdown of every type "Trolling" on online blogging trolls.”

Ms. Julan,

What a great Troll vocabulary response, once again you did and out preformed yourself. Ms. Julan are you using the exterior frontal neo-liberal cortex of your Internal anal sphincter. Hope you get the sarcasm pun.

Are you in a intellectual response brain rut ?



Don't try this Solipsism, childish response technique on me. It doesn't work.

You can't even put a logical sentence together. I called you out on your ambivalence regarding your political condoned apathy on P**********l Secret directive laws. Truly Ms. Julan, what a inept childish response.

Your last response, and oh how your little superior, neo-liberal brain work's. Your boring and can't even think, or put a limited factual intelligent response.

Ms. julan, put your tail between your legs, oh i'm sorry your inverted penis-vagina back in your body. I do hope that your new vagina doesn't prolapse again. As your troll like brain has prolapse on this post thread.

I'm not sorry to say that but it actually describes your viewpoint, and condoned apathy to the " T " on this subject. Case, thread post closed.




You see, Ms. Julan because you did not once, respond to one of my opinions or questions, intelligently, you lost the argument hands down.

Then you have the audacity and arrogance to discount any of my salient factual argumentative points. Your only comment and opinion was: Nice try, though.

But that's the usual tactic and usual Troll-like Liberal-Democratic response which is, never get in an argument on facts.

Always skirt the exteriors of the of opinions and comments. Basically 'bob and weave" a boxing term Ms. Julan.

Then strike with a One-liner comment. Liberal Democratic Trolls are very predictable on many of these OPP website threads and post articles.



Here is another example as to how they operate in the "Shadows." This Article has been submitted and recycled on the Internet since 2/2/15 for a total of 10 times.

The News article has been vetted and proven false and offensive to Christians. It's just their h**e speech coming out. on Idea's and facts I would say they get wrong 90 % of the time. Just Like Ms. Julan, but she was not as offensive on this particular subject. (See below in blue)



Ms. Julan this is your typical response, because you lack the inability articulate your l*****t-progressiv democratic liberal childish behavior.

Go and climb the Evolutionary Darwinism tree once again . . . DEMOCRAT. . GOOD. . . GOOD ! ! ! . . . . CONSERVATIVE . . . BAD . . . BAD. . .

Grow up, naive little man.



Logicaly I exposed your argument and your weakness on this subject.

I pointed out Obama's P**********l Secret 68, PPD, PDS, and EO directive Laws. But "You Condoned this Apathy and our current nation's 'Rule of Law". . . . . and gave a colloquial, laconic and ambivalence response to these facts and the reported URL websites.




Basically you condoned and apathetically said since Bush, Reagan and other Presidents made P**********l Secret 68, PPD, PDS, and EO directive Laws. It's okay that Obama is writing these same P**********l Secret 68, PPD, PDS, and EO directive Laws.

Sorry Ms. Julan you did condone and you gave a apathetic response. Actually you never gave a response. Just a condescending superior attitude reply. Like you accomplished something.



Now getting back to your lack of a intelligent articulate response to my post comment, or lack of a logical comment, did the brain diarrhetic or brain laxative work from yesterday. Apparently it did the exterior frontal neo-liberal cortex of your Internal anal sphincter stinks from your lack of a response.

Ya, Ya Ya, Nice try, at a intelligent articulate logical response Ms. Julan. Get a life, and grow up little girl.


Here is another example as to how they operate in the "Shadows." This Article has been submitted and recycled on the Internet since 2/2/15 for a total of 10 times. It has been vetted and proven false and offensive to Christians. It's just their h**e speech coming out, just Like Ms. Julan but not as offensive. (See below in blue)

In another Post Article "SOME FACTS," about Jesus that are probably wrong. Here was my factual response. Notice I said Factual.

Progressives on this OPP website, post assertions are degrading to Christians and to Jesus Christ, this is nothing less than h**e-filled-speech and religious bigotry. Is this what we can expect from you ?

1. To counter this article from Atheist Valerie Tarico, I found two website rebuttal's commentaries. "9 Things Salon.com Gets Wrong About Jesus." by author by Jon Sorensen at http://www.strangenotions.com/9-things-salon-com-gets-wrong-about-jesus/

2. The other from Bart Ehrman, another website critic gave a scathing review, of Valerie Tarico, article, "Here are 9 facts’ you know for sure about Jesus that are probably wrong." http://benstanhope.blogspot.com/2015/03/a-historical-wreck-response-to-taricos.html

Bart Ehrman wrote: The article contains so much historical puerility and so many allusions idiomatic to sensationalist conspiracy writers that I would rather it not be read at all. I'm aware my words have been harsh, but I deem them appropriate considering Tarico's ideas have been spotlighted by Salon, Huffington and Alternet.

I'd like to think Salon and Alternet would update corrections to this article they are "proud to feature." Salon promises on its corrections page it "strives to publish accurate information at all times." I have not found a corrections page for Alternet. This is a good chance to test their integrity, but I'm not holding my breath.


The Original post: Salon.com, February, 2, 2015
The Re-posted articles:
AlterNet.com, Re-posted on February 25, 2015
Wakingtimes.com, Re-posted on February 26, 2015
vridar.org, Re-posted on February 26, 2015
Rawstory.com Re-posted on February, 27 2015
ieet.org, Re-posted on Mar 1, 2015
Benstanhope.blogspot.com, Re-posted on March 2, 2015
AlterNet.com, Re-posted on June, 30 2015
Rawstory.com Re-posted 30 June 2015

Julan, in your previous comments you have said and practice acceptance of apathy for this current Democratic Administration and condone the fraud, un-accountability and lack of fiduciary responsibility of our governmental and p**********l extension of Secret Power's and Secret Laws. . . e.g.,

Obama's P**********l Secret 68, PPD, PDS, and EO directive Laws. "You Condoned this Apathy". . . . . ambivalence to these facts and reported URL websites.

Julan did you know that Obama, has now tied Bush, on Secret EO's PPD, and PSD's and we still have 18 month to go. Hmmmm ? And please don't use the Argument that Reagan and others Presidents did the same thing.

I personally do not condone and or have the same apathy as you have Julan on these reported facts "Secret P**********l directive laws."

a. Secret P**********l Executive Orders http://fas.org/irp/offdocs/ppd/index.html
b. Secret PPD P**********l Orders http://fas.org/irp/offdocs/psd/index.html
c. Secret PSD P**********l Orders http://fas.org/irp/offdocs/direct.htm




So Julan, do we condone and give the usual apathetic responses to Governmental "Secret Law's" in the (The Republic of the United States.) Julen It's not The Democracy, of the United State ?



These "Secret Law's" are illegal. Its called condoned APATHY because Congress or the Judiciary will not to PROSECUTE, present, past, or future Presidents for passing secret laws.

Nor will Congress pass laws to stop this practice of EO, PPD, PSD P**********l secret orders. It's against the law and the Constitution of The Republic of The United States of America.




Julan, Do you know the difference between a Republic and a Democracy ? Don't you ?

Care to explain your apathetic response on that question ? I would like to know your opinion ?

But sadly you will most probably disregard my opinion, my question and give me some bull-s**t answer like before, in your comment thread, as your other Troll one-liner responses and comments to {paschn and astrolabe comments}

And your apathetic Troll response will probably be a left wing Troll one-liner comment like: "Yup, nutty as squirrel s**t." or something to that effect.




Julan did you not give a full assault attack on my opinion to the presidents Secret Eo's laws comment ?

Julan and did you not attack the other OPP readers and comment's to you. You Julan, most certainly did.

Julan and you espoused and condoned the Apathy for Obama's Secret EO directives and laws, and compounded your error, by talking about and shifting blame on past Presidents secret Eo's laws.

Does the cliché mean anything to you: "Two Wrongs, Doesn't Make It Right,"



Julan, You opened up pandora's box in your personal Troll attack.

Your a big boy, if you can give it, then you should be able to receive it. Boo-hoo, I hurt your feelings. What a bunch of Troll vocabulary compost. . . . You mentally spew Julan.



Julan, As it goes for you, this is just, another normal day in the life of liberal apathy, covering up the lies and secrecy's of this current Democratic Administration and it's leaders. It's called Condoned Apathy.

What about the IRS emails destroyed and is being delayed, Criminal Obstruction of Justice Laws and FIOA laws. Congressional orders to turn over the hard-drives and documents, the same thing is happening on Fast and Furious scandal, The EPA, and the Secretary if State emails. The list and crimes go on and on.

The good news is, that one of the Administration conspirators, and perpetrators is finally going to Federal Court on January 20, 2015 for Federal Racketeering crimes under the RICO statutes. And it was not done by the Justice Department, FBI or any Federal Organization. A private Law firm.

Plaintiff sues the defendant “here’s the official Federal Court docket Case 9:15-cv-80388-XXXX Document 1 Entered on FLSD Docket, 03/24/2015, Page 1 of 59

Criminal Statutes: As individuals operating a criminal enterprise, for violating plaintiff’s statutory rights to obtain documents under the Freedom of Information Act … for violating plaintiff’s due process rights, vested property rights, constitutional rights, and for misappropriating property,” the filing says more but you can read the 59 page law suit.

I hope Hillary has room for Bill and Chelsea in that small 4 x 6 jail cell.
http://www.freedomwatchusa.org/pdf/150324filed%20Clinton%20RICO%20complaint.pdf

The urgent Administration's criminal list and Condoned Apathy goes on and on and on. When will this Condoned Apathy stop, when will Americans enough is enough ?




Julan, It's alway been about your apathetic opinion, and your apathetic agendas.

It's only about what you think and It's about only what you want, It's only about what you approve of and It's only about what you accept, regardless what others may think. . . It's Condoned Apathy.

This is the accepted normal behavior from you Julan, a Troll liberal-regressive action and responses. It's called Apathy. Do you finally get it ? Duh.



Julun when have you or did you ever really give a s**t, about this country ? It's principles, or patriotism about what is right or wrong, by the "Rule of Law" ?

Julan, have you served in the military, worked in government or served in any way to hold up the principals of freedom that the United States, or espouses patriotism or do you always denigrate the Republic and condone your APATHY, and distain for this country ?

Julan thats what apathy is. You condone the behavior because everyone is doing it, you follow it blindly without thinking and parrot the typical,and give cop-out lame response's. You Condoned Apathy. . .



Some day Julen you will have to get a backbone. If the s**t ever does hit the fan, not that I'm saying it will. So you won't have to call me, a right winger alarmist or "Yup, nutty as squirrel s**t."

Just saying Julan, what if ?

(9/11) was not that long ago, and now we see armed militant Islamist groups here in this country and being k**led and they have k**led many Americans like Army Psychiatrist Major Nasan who k**led three and injured 16, shouted "Allahu Akbar", or "God is greatest" before he opened up and fired his weapon at fellow soldiers ?

And what about the Boston Marathon Bombings. The Islamic death threats terrorist attacks and k*****g will not go away by them selves. If anything they will increase in this country.

Currently Julan we have a hundred thousand Islamic Syrians being repatriated in the United States just this year, with no background checks done. It's a Fact, look it up. And with 100,000 of thousands of i******s coming to this nation across from Mexico.

Just saying, what if ?



Where will your current apathy opinions be then ? Something to Ponder about. At some point in time you will not be straddling the political fence anymore. You will be forced to decide . . . . . . . . . .



Julan do you have Condoned Apathy or a Backbone ? It's your choice, or it will be more of the "Same Old Apathy" . . . .



So how is that inverted Penis-Vaginia working out, breast implants ? or has the hormone treatments working out okay for you.

Yes Julan, I'm really do care and give a s**t about your hormone treatments and hope they continue as fast and as soon as possible. I am not apathetic to your plight and obsession and necessity to become t***s-g****red Female. I would never condone that type of apathy of the t***s-g****red female race.

End Part 2

Julan you condone total 'Apathy" of this current Administration, and disregard the rule of law and accountability.


And your apathetic liberal Troll attack one-liner response: "Yup, nutty as squirrel s**t."


Julan the News media also condones this accepted practice, or non-reporting or non-publishing, of these news articles, nor will they, not publish them because of un-sensationalism or not "news-worthy to report." Again It's called APATHY.


This is why the Internet is so useful, to read, gain knowledge, perspective on both sides of a article and allows for a person to decide and think for himself and his or her opinions on actual fact, not regurgitated media compost.

This julan is not apathy, its gaining knowledge to formulate a realistic opinion.


So my case in point, the news-media failure to report the article is "Secret." Or is it APATHY, Or is it Both ?


Just so we are not confused by this new vocabulary term Julan, here is the definition. Apathy is: A general lack of interest or concern, especially regarding matters of general importance or appeal, indifference. Or a lack of emotion or feeling or impassiveness.



Like you Julan, I have observed, a general appearance that you are someone who isn't interested in the important news issues things or nuances of non-news reporting. You feel apathy for the current political process of secret p**********l directives, and after you read someone's other viewpoint or comments.

You give a Troll apathetic response and comment. "Yup, nutty as squirrel s**t."


And when someone mentions a worthy news article or opinion. You Julan go and directly support and condone this governmental and news media apathy, as a accepted normal practice and go on the Troll attack.

And you Julan confirm your APATHY, to the validity of the article and readers comment. Am I right, ? Because this is exactly what you did.



Neither you, or I, or Government or any News-Media, are above the law. But it appears that they are ? And you condone the APATHY of the current ruling elitist Democrat party.

And and you Julan also condone by your opinions and comments on the OPP website, as to the non-reporting of the news media, which is also called APATHY.




Frankly, I believe the news-media and the Media Moguls are paid Prostitutes, at the biding of this current Administration. But that's my opinion based on fact's, and is not yours opinion Julan.

So why do people search the internet for news article, because the Main-stream-news-media reporting, is biased and it sucks. Its called APATHY.




One OPP reader and commenter said, that he bookmarked the URL sites and thanked me. Now if one person bookmarks this site, how many more OPP readers will go to that URL link and bookmark the site? Hmmmm ? Not so secret anymore, is it ?

Not reported a news media article, is the same thing as "Secret," and your conjecture or word-play from your dictionary, is just that, child's-play mentality and thinking. It's called APATHY. . . . . .

a. Secret P**********l Executive Orders http://fas.org/irp/offdocs/ppd/index.html
b. Secret PPD P**********l Orders http://fas.org/irp/offdocs/psd/index.html
c. Secret PSD P**********l Orders http://fas.org/irp/offdocs/direct.htm

And trying to silencing others comments and opinions is just that. PRACTICED CONDONED APATHY. . .

Let individuals person's decide and think for himself or herself and formulate his or her opinions on actual facts like the websites I provided about President Obama's Secret P**********l Executive Orders.

Ya Julan, you have defiantly got the Troll attack vocabulary and dictionary down pretty good. Keep on taking the progesterone pills, and work on that inverted penis-vagina I know that you will enjoy it. How is that for an insult.

End, part one.

Jelun, you got the troll trashing down pretty good,

Down to one-liners, no facts, no argument, just more of the liberal-progressive compost spewing from your little brain.

LIBERAL--GOOD--GOOD. CONSERVATIVE--BAD--BAD and crapping on anyone who disagrees with you.

Your Boring, and so predictable, take a brain laxative or brain diuretic. Maybe it could help you tinny weeny, grey-matter synapse's work better.

Probably not, bad wine and LSD, Peyote and female progesterone don't mix well. Good luck with that s*x c****e operation, what's your new female g****r name Jalun.

Moldy, your confused about: SUMERIA . . . . versus . . . . SAMARIA. . . . . .

I'm not waisting any more tine on this, it's your folly and to your chagrin that you can't understand.


Sumerians and the flood have nothing to do with Jesus Christ in the Jewish Old Testament. Got it . . . Iraq - SUMERIA . . . versus . . . Israel - SAMARIA. .

a. Ancient (SUMERIA or called (Sumer), 2,300 b.c.e)

b.Northern Kingdom Israel and capital city (SAMARIA) 721 b.c.e.)

This is where I believe that you are confused and combining these two distinctly separated peoples, times and geographical places, hundreds of miles away.

a. Assyrians-SUMERIAN Kingdom, (Iraq SUMERIAN 2,300 b.c.e)

b. Northern Kingdom Israel (721 b.c.e.) its capital was (SAMARIA). Hence the name of the name of the peoples SAmaritans and Nazareth was part of SAMARIA. . . . . .



What does SUmerians recorded the flood story, have anything to do with the Jewish people, and the historical references to Jesus Christ.


Found in the in the Torah, Pentateuch, Talmud, Midrash and Kabbalah. Nothing, Nothing, Nothing. Got it.



Their is no Israel-SUmerian biblical record. That record Jesus Christ, birth life and death. No Israel-SAmerian biblical records either. Got it.

Only Jewish Historical references, that can we actually prove a actual record to Jesus Christ, His birth life and death. can be found in the Pentateuch, Torah, Talmud, Midrash and Kabbala.

You can actually find Historical references of Jesus Christ at these URL sites.

1. http://www.talmudblasphemy.com/talmud-and-Jesus.htm
2. http://www.doxa.ws/Jesus_pages/Talmud_JC.html
3.https://www.bc.edu/content/dam/files/research_sites/cjl/texts/cjrelations/resources/articles/cook_rabbis_and_Jesus.htm
4. Midrash and kabbalah references: http://www.jewsforjesus.org/publications/issues/v18-n02/01

Moldy, Just as you said It's a "Legend." Please read and or comprehend. What are you babbling about ? Bad boob is right to say this, It's laughable.

There is no record of a legend mythical "Israel-Sumerian bible," from the Northern Tribes of Israel, that speaks of, Jesus Christ. You can't prove it. Period end of subject, end of discussion.



Let me give you a history lesson, Moldy.



What do the mythical "Israel-Sumerian bible," have to do with the Flood of Noah ? Nothing, end of subject end of discussion.


The Flood of the Jewish-Hebrew bible in Noah's time, occurred between 2500 BC and 2300 b.c.e approximately 2348 b.c.e., give or take a few hundred years or even a thousand years. We have some, but little archeological evidence and geological records to support this claim and legend.


Lets move on to the Hebrew patriarchs. Abraham was born in the great city of Yr, in approximately 2,166 b.c.e., give or take a few hundred years. What is now in southern Iraq.

Ur was a city-state and it was part of an ancient culture called the Sumerian. Hundreds of years before Abraham was born, the Sumerians had become highly civilized. We have Sumerian cuneiform script and Sumerian language on clay tablets.

Abraham migrated to Canna where the present day Israel is approximately 2085-2073 b.c.e. His offspring were Isaac and Ishmael. Isaac twin sons were named Jacob and Esau. Jacob's sons and daughters are Reuben
Simeon, Levi, Judah, Dan, Naphtali, Gad, Asher, Issachar, Zebulun, Joseph, Benjamin and Dinah. This is the tribe of Jacob-Israel. Them we have Moses and Joshua and the conquest of the Canaanite or Sea Peoples. Theses territories were conquered and distributed among the 12 tribes of Israel.

The Nation of Israel had a civil war and there became a Northern Kingdom Israel (Samaria) and a Southern Kingdom Judea in 920 b.c.e.



Is this Moldy, what you are talking about, in your comment to me. (Sumerian) This is where I believe that you are confused and combining these two distinctly separated peoples.
a. Assyrians-Sumerian Kingdom,
b. Northern Kingdom Israel its capital was (Samaria). Hence the name of the name of the peoples Samaritans and Nazareth.


The Assyrians-Sumerian Kingdom, defeated and captured Northern kingdom of Israel in 721 b.c.e. The Northern kingdoms Israel, capital city name was Samaria. Not in in southern Iraq.

The returning Samaritans the Northern Kingdom Israel, people were of mixed races, because of inner-marriage with these other culture's. Thus they were not recognizable as a Jacob-Israel tribe or Israel people's.

The Southern Kingdom of Judah were recognizable because on no marriage outside of the Jewish tribe of Jacob-Israel, and maintained the blood line of the Hebrew patriarchs.

The Southern Kingdom of Judah followed the Law of Moses, and were prohibited from marriage outside of their Jewish race and culture. As recorded in the Hebrew, Tumid and Pentateuch Old Testament Bible.

So historically the northern tribe of Israel, people culture, were no longer a distinguishable race from the tribes of Jacob-Israel, or nation from that time frame forward.

Hence this is where we get the term the lost tribe of Jacob-Israel they stopped being a culture, nation or people politically, socially and religiously.




Historically, the defeat of the Southern Kingdom of Judah, were captured by the Babylonian, in 597 b.c.e. Israel and Judah were no longer nation until the creation in 1947. Some 2,544 years later.

King Herod ruled Palestine, and several territories, Nazareth at the time of Jesus, was part of Samaria. Hence the name of the peoples Samaritans and Nazareth was part of Herod's Kingdom. (See map)

Moldy, I repeat very strongly here, There is no record of a "Israel-Sumerian bible," from the northern tribes of Israel, that speaks to Jesus Christ.

BearK, What is the message in your avatar ?

If you kindly would send it to me, Thanks.

Doc110

As you are wrong, once again boob,

We have only historical Jewish biblical Records from that time period of Jesus Christ.

Boob, their are no Israel-Sumerian tales, or Israel-Sumerian bibles at the time of Jesus Christ they seized to be a nation or a people.

The h**ed northern Israel-Sumerian intermarried forbidden by God and Moses. With the idolatry and pagan worship thats why they were h**ed and despised by the Jews.

Boob, their are no Israel-Sumerian biblical records that record Jesus Christ? Your an i***t with a IQ of 70 to say this nonsense. Any URL facts to back up your claim. Thought so, then its no for an answer.

Boob, take the brain diuretic pill, it will shrink your brain and might save a few of your neurons from that brain disorder that you have.

Your talking out your ass. Boob take the laxative pill for your brain.


1. http://www.talmudblasphemy.com/talmud-and-Jesus.htm
2. http://www.doxa.ws/Jesus_pages/Talmud_JC.html
3.https://www.bc.edu/content/dam/files/research_sites/cjl/texts/cjrelations/resources/articles/cook_rabbis_and_Jesus.htm
4. Midrash and kabbalah references: http://www.jewsforjesus.org/publications/issues/v18-n02/01

Ahh, Troll language, I see. Very good m, your doing just fine in your Atheistic Progressive rut.

More one-liners, again, again, again, again, boring m.
Time to get a new writing "Shtick" more than 11 words in your comments.

Dam, still no answers to the historical reply to the Jewish Pentateuch, Midrash, Tumid and Torah references, to Jesus Christ, 2000 years ago ?

Upsetting isn't it, your kinda stumped m, as to the historical validity of Jesus Christ. Why is that m.?

Do some research, I gave you the websites url's. By the way I have more websites to back up those Jewish records.

What,'s the problem m. can't your atheist progressive brain think past, a contrived Darwinistic, Evolutionist and Solipsism explanation of Jesus Christ Christian Lord and Savior ?

Yeah, and I'm a rocket scientist also. . . . You don't know compost. . . . . . . I guess it time to climb in the trees again, right, and eat some, Eye of Newt, and Toe of Frogge, Wool of Bat, and Tongue of Dogge ... Shakespeare.

smegel bad bob, Atheists created their own joyful stink on this post article.

I'm only vetting their Atheists anti-Christian stink they created, which has only been re-posted 10 times on the internet and the OPP site. Boring !

Nothing like vetted old news, and under the radar, six months later. Boring and un-intellectual as usual, from Atheist Regressive


Hey Boob, did you hear about Hillary's Federal Racketeering (RICO) court date, set for January 20, 2015. Dam that's during the 2016 p**********l e******n campaign. Hillary's trust worthiness poll numbers can only go down I'm expecting a vacation for her in a 4 x 6 cell some where after the final verdict. Bamm, ding dong the witch is dead !

Hey Bernie, O'Malley, Warren, Biden tour our only hope because of Obama's policies and economic records suck. The sky is falling the sky is falling.

Boob you still can't type or put a written thought in your head, or on a keyboard, I see.

Same old Jewish stick, smegel bad bob, what else can we expect. Right !

Boob It's time to take the blue pill now we wouldn't want you to get constipated, Sorry about that, that was the viagra, go jerk-off somewhere else else on the websites.