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Jul 13, 2014 08:54:07   #
BearK wrote:
When you ask, in prayer, with a sincere heart So blessings to you, and may the Word spread and inspire like an untamed wild fire..


I might sound like a nut case, but this is the reason I am speaking up. I heard the Word of God and the Word inspires me to speak up!

The bible says that "the end days would be like that of the days of Noah", if you look at the people at the time of Noah they too were apathetic. They too seemed to give up the fight. And when Noah said the flood was coming the people ignored him.

Just like the people, the stiff necked stubborn liberals are ignoring us telling us, that we need an "adult". I would really like to call Ms. Nancy Pelosi out on that comment and ask her once and for all, "Define what you mean by an adult?"

I would love to do it and press her on that issue. I would love to ask her that question on national tv or even the internet. Fact is the Spirit of God is inspiring me to fight for this lost cause, just like Jimmy Stewart did in "Mr. Smith goes to Washington"

Incidentally the same movie inspired probably Dr. King and the Kennedys. Now if I am mayrtered in the process, then that means I'm a caulsity of a holy war
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Jul 13, 2014 08:23:12   #
This is the response to an email I wrote Senator John McCain. This response came on June 18, 2014

"Thank you for contacting me to express your view that President Obama should be impeached and removed from office.

The impeachment and removal of a President are extraordinary actions, defined in Article II, Section 4 of the Constitution, that should be taken only when the individual holding that office has been found to have committed treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.

Like you, I am deeply concerned and disturbed with the recent scandals ranging from the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) targeting conservative organizations, secret e-mail accounts by government officials to conduct government business, the potential cover-up of B******i, and an over-all lack of t***sparency in this Administration. Over four years ago, President Obama pledged to usher in a new era of government t***sparency, but unfortunately, that has not been the case. These scandals are unacceptable and are weakening the trust Americans have in their government and furthering our partisan divide at a time when we need to come together to help solve the serious problems facing our nation. I will continue to push President Obama to be fully open with Congress and the American public and I will not forget about these issues until those individuals who have broken the trust of the American people have been brought to justice.

I thank you again for contacting me to share your thoughts, and I hope you continue to support my efforts to create a better government for the American people. Please do not hesitate to contact me again in the future with this or any other matter of concern."


Sincerely,

John McCain
United States Senator


So what say you John Q Public and what is your reaction to this letter.
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Jul 13, 2014 08:12:58   #
Rdjarhead wrote:
Ranger don't let them get u sidetracked. and there is nothing in the constitution about the sergeant at arms


Thank you for confirming what I thought I knew already. I am not a lawyer but I can read and comprehend english. So, yes, I thought it said nothing on the Sergeant at arms. An alternative to impeachment would put Congress at ease however, I don't think there is one. I mean really. The whole cabinet is guilty of crimes against the Constitution. So, where is one to start to repair the damage done to the people and Congress?

The way I understand it is that the president is charged with the responsibility to enforce the Laws that Congress passes right? Just like an executive of a corporation(for cooperations are modeled after the constitution), and the chief executive is in charge of enforcing policy. He is not enforcing the law or policy but wildly exercising his power. This is the problem.

It starts with treason as the first crime, then wildly abusing the power of the executive department is his next crime. But he isn't doing it alone. That's the third crime, conspiracy. This puts them all on the chopping block. Starting from the president all the way through his cabinet.

I believe, and this idea is constitutional, that both the Senate and the House should appoint members to a special committee, to investigate causes for impeachment, and their findings should recommend impeachment and trial to both houses. However, it must be originated in the house.

Boehner is so apt to sue the president over Obamacare that he fails to realize that if you get him on treason, then all the laws and all the work done, since he became president, become null and void. I wonder if Boehner is attempting to do this lawsuit to see if there is enough evidence for impeachment. You know like testing the waters? Hmmm. I'm going to watch this for a while.
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Jul 13, 2014 07:49:52   #
Ranger7374 wrote:
Article III, section three states: "He shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient; he may, on extraordinary Occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in Case of Disagreement between them, with Respect to the Time of Adjournment, he may adjourn them to such Time as he shall think proper; he shall receive Ambassadors and other public Ministers; he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed, and shall Commission all the Officers of the United States."
Article III, section three states: "He shall ... (show quote)


I just realized he is in violation of this section too, "he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed." He failed to enforce the Law, with Fast and Furious, Immigration, Defense of Marriage Act(which in my opinion and against Congress right now, should be a Constitutional Amendment) and also his deal with the terrorists.

President Obama could have convened a special session of Congress in closed session and discussed the trade, and the need to be expediently done. However, he did not do that. Instead he overstepped his authority and committed treason. This is a major injunction against the United States in time of war. If a treaty was signed with the Congress of the United States(specifically the senate) for an end to hostilities between the United States of America and the terrorists, it would be a moot point. However, we are still at war with the terrorists. No treaty to my knowledge for at least a cease fire has been signed. Therefore, the President committed treason.

We do not negotiate with terrorists! Carter(a democrat) tried and failed miserably and it cost him his Presidency. Reagan gets elected and they release the hostages. Hmmm.... I wonder....
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Jul 13, 2014 07:40:14   #
Rdjarhead wrote:
Ranger don't let them get u sidetracked. and there is nothing in the constitution about the sergeant at arms making that arrest or that the president can recess congress, it only say's that he can make appointments if the congress is in recess.


Article III, section three states: "He shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient; he may, on extraordinary Occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in Case of Disagreement between them, with Respect to the Time of Adjournment, he may adjourn them to such Time as he shall think proper; he shall receive Ambassadors and other public Ministers; he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed, and shall Commission all the Officers of the United States."

Now this is where I kind of agreed with Robert66. However, the President did not exercise his power to convene a special session of the Senate, thereby using that authority to appoint the people he wanted to appoint. Now, this part of his power is open to interpretation. For it does say, "he may adjourn them to such Time as he shall think proper" and upon that adjournment he could do what he did. However, he did not do this.

Presidents would use this power to discuss with the Senate appropriate action in cases of enforcement of the law to decide the proper action to take. For example, after the 9/11 attacks President Bush appealed to the Senate for appropriate action. Also he appealed before the United Nations for the same.

Obama hasn't done this. Now, I could have read this part wrong so I posted it here. Maybe this statute only applies to a special session that the President calls Congress to convene. What do you think?
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Jul 12, 2014 22:59:57   #
permafrost wrote:
In my opinion, Roberts is usually very correct. Think I will start at the beginning of this thread...


Now that I reread the thread, I'm saying huh? In an assbackward way we all said the same thing. Uh, I'm going to wait for more responses before I respond again. This is stupid.
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Jul 12, 2014 22:33:53   #
permafrost wrote:
ranger, you seem to put much more into both these events than anyone else does.

the court found in favor of the senate. The President had a case because the actual way the senate operated. Every 3rd day one person would show up, call the senate to order, gavel the closed and leave. About one minute or less. Some would say this was not truly being in session. but the court found in favor of the senate, so a total of 4 appointments made by President Obama are again vacant. that is the sum total of the courts finding.

What does the Bundy stealing and the Vegas cop k*****g have to do with this?
ranger, you seem to put much more into both these ... (show quote)


Nothing. That is my point. Also Robert is trying to compare a Constitutional procedure question with a Federal Law enforcement question. They are not the same. Therefore, once again, Roberts is wrong.
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Jul 12, 2014 22:06:20   #
RETW wrote:
Nothing to see folks. Just the same old piss ant out of his sewer for some air.

RETW


:thumbup: :thumbup: LMAO :thumbup: :thumbup:
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Jul 12, 2014 21:35:11   #
robert66 wrote:
Go ahead and try to convince yourself that you're doing the right thing but this crap will only further divide the country. In a way I hope it is successful and you dumb f*cks get your way. Be careful what you ask for.


Was the country divided during the Nixon or Clinton Impeachment proceedings? No, I don't think the country will be divided. The only division will be in the extremists. That's what I think. The public is funny that way.
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Jul 12, 2014 21:34:38   #
robert66 wrote:
Go ahead and try to convince yourself that you're doing the right thing but this crap will only further divide the country. In a way I hope it is successful and you dumb f*cks get your way. Be careful what you ask for.


Was the country divided during the Nixon or Clinton Impeachment proceedings? No, I don't think the country will be divided. The only division will be in the extremists. That'
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Jul 12, 2014 21:32:01   #
robert66 wrote:
The president can make a recess appointment. The debate here became , Was the senate in recess or not? The president said they were because they were gone , the supreme court ruled that technically the senate was not in recess . Recess appointments have been made in the past.


Now robert66, I am not empowering you, don't make me defend you but yes you are right about the above statement. The president has the power to recess congress too. However, he did not recess the senate, and he failed to do his job. So, the appointments were illegal. Therefore, he was guilty. I see it exactly the same way the Supreme Court saw it. I agree with the Court and your assertion of what has happened however to apply it to the Bundy incident you are comparing apples and oranges here.

Obama failed to enforce the law in that incident too. Incidentally
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Jul 12, 2014 20:35:31   #
Sicilianthing wrote:
you need to create a new Topic and post this... then it goes v***l...


What do you think I should name the new Topic and do you want me to copy and paste my charges with their charges and post it. Post mine and call it "From a layman", and give the website from the professional lawyers and lawmakers?
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Jul 12, 2014 20:20:53   #
Loyal Patriot wrote:
While impeachment is more than justified, given the Usurper's multiple violations of his Oath of Office, the only just outcome would be removal from office by trial and conviction by the Senate, which won't happen under the Democrat majority. ..


Why are people so certain in our day about the uncertain. I still have faith in people on both sides of the aisle. Why don't we just try?

Even if we fail at least we can go to sleep at night and say, "At least I was heard!"

I think we, on the conservative side give the liberals too much credit. And I also think we on the liberal side protest too much.

Yes this could be a lost cause, but what if the American people, agree with me? What if the democrats turn on the President? You have to ask yourself, what really would we lose, if we don't win. Nothing. Not a damn thing. If we win, we the people will send a message to washington, that they will not be able to deny!

The Government should be afraid of the people. I heard a report that the white house ordered democrats to quit criticising the president. Hey, we have free speech, so we can criticise anyone we wish.

Let me ask you this if you value money so much, who employs the President? And since he is employed by the people, the people in turn are his boss. So, if I were to make the boss upset, what happens to me? I get fired right?

So if we push for the impeachment, we would solve a lot of things in one fatal action. Are we afraid of success? I look at John Hancock when he signed the Declaration o f Independence and said, "I want King George to read it without his spectacles." and Ben Franklin saying, "If we lose, we will die a t*****r's death, but if we win, we will start a new country."

I am inspired now more than ever to do this. I don't care what the odds are because the justice that will be done in the process I believe will unite the country and restore faith in the government.
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Jul 12, 2014 20:05:27   #
Loyal Patriot wrote:

Final question: If Pro is the opposite of Con, what is the opposite of Progress?...


Lol, Congress, hahahahaha
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Jul 12, 2014 19:48:53   #
robert66 wrote:
Obama is not from Kenya or Muslim. Let's start there.


Then why did he assert that. We have video evidence with him at the UN confessing that.
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