roadster wrote:
Is there big money involved with C*****e C****e? YES, I don't believe anyone can dispute such. I got involved with a couple groups who believe all the "hype" on C*****e C****e is false. I'm also involved with a couple groups claiming C*****e C****e is real.
Please don't put the cost of addressing C*****e C****e before me, such would certainly cost more now since we did nothing when the price was cheaper. Yes, the Sun has a huge effect on our weather. When I put a verified fact before the Climate deniers (I mean a fact I personally verified as a relevant fact) I receive "brain-dead" belittling comments, to me means such is a fact the deniers simply refuse to recognize a fact as relevant.
I have an old friend who visits the Arctic annually and has showed me pictures of so much less ice than there use to be. I trust him to tell me the t***h. The deniers go back to the belittling comments.
One person told me he expects the trees to clean-up the air and refuses to even listen to a different view like the number of people are more now that yesteryear, the number of trees are less than they were yesteryear. More pollution and less cleaning the air.
How much are YOU (all of you) willing to pay to breath fresh & clean air? Without air, you die quite quickly. How much would you pay to prevent yourself from dying at a younger age?
Sorry if what I wrote upsets you. I'm one of those vets from yesteryear, Nam. The country didn't want to go to war so they called it a "Police Action", so someone prove to me where our govt. v**ed and approved the "Police Action" was a "War"? A LIE was created stating the "Gulf of Tonkin" where U.S. warships were fired upon, NEVER-HAPPENED. So the media supported the false word of the govt. and I was one of thousands believing in protecting our country seeing the best we had to offer "bleed-out" in that Godforsaken country. A book written by McNamara specifically admitted the LIE of our govt. about the "Gulf of Tonkin". People died protesting the "Police Action" many more died fighting the same "Police Action". Over 58 thousand died (and yes I've read names on the wall in D.C. of people I knew) and those who made money from our blood slept well at night. Treason? You had better believe it.
So I do NOT believe as credible anything our govt. says.
"Everything we say/do is a direct result of our own personal ethics." When a person supports a liar is a liar him/herself. That is what I believe! U.S. society needs "Ethics" not more interesting LIES.
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I do sincerely appreciate your service in Nam. I know, or at least have an idea, how horrible it was, and the return to the states was just as horrible, thanks to the people who are promoting "c*****e c****e" and who dissed the vets who had had NOTHING TO DO with STARTING THE WAR. You do not have to teach me that our government is our worst enemy........I have said so myself many times over the past 50 years. I apologize I had not gotten back to you earlier, but just today I learned that my notifications had been TURNED OFF AT OPP. (I think management does not love me.) I served in the Army Nurse Corps during NAM, but was never sent overseas. While in service, I married a Marine who was already out and in the US Border Patrol....he later retired as an Immigration Criminal Investigator. We were married for 42 years when he passed away.....on Pearl Harbor Day, of all times. I currently live with a man who served in the Army. I am a retired R.N., quite conservative, and leaning toward anarchy (no ruler) thinking.
That said, let me address your c*****e c****e comments. I, and all scientists, believe in c*****e c****e. It has been going on since the beginning of time. It is NORMAL. It happens. No matter what we do or do not do, we will have c*****e c****e. Trust me -this is TRUE. What started all this arguing in reality was that some people wanted to receive government funding for alternate energy production: wind mills, etc......banish coal, banish this, banish that (so that THEIR businesses would make big bucks). Our politicians and media -all l*****ts- joined in the fun. They didn't care who they hurt or how much it cost the taxpayers (victims of government FORCE) - or how many people they scared half to death. As to the ice missing that you referenced.......I am not surprised, but I am surprised that some people truly believe humans are causing the less ice, affecting the climate. I do not believe humans cause global changes because decades ago I learned that c*****e c****e is NORMAL. That is how we lost the dinosaurs, the behemoths of pre-civilization times......they froze to death, or at least many of them did. During part of their time, the land was plush with greenery, but freezes happened with no human on the face of the earth. Don't forget that our rivers and many canyons were cut from humongous ice glaciers sliding south centuries ago across America. Also remember that one batch of ice is not the total indicators. No humans there to make the ice melt....nature did it, just like nature acts today.
From an article: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2016/11/24/scott-shackleton-logbooks-prove-antarctic-sea-ice-not-shrinking/
"Antarctic sea ice had barely changed from where it was 100 years ago, scientists have discovered, after poring over the logbooks of great polar explorers such as Robert Falcon Scott and Ernest Shackleton.
Experts were concerned that ice at the South Pole had declined significantly since the 1950s, which they feared was driven by man-made c*****e c****e.
But
new analysis suggests that conditions are now virtually identical to when the Terra Nova and Endurance sailed to the continent in the early 1900s, indicating that declines are part of a natural cycle and not the result of g****l w*****g."
I do not have time at present to research enough to change your mind, but I DO suggest that if it concerns you a great deal, study more science than that put out by special interest groups, such as the political left and incompetent "scientists". Thanks for your input, and, again, thank you more than I can say how much I appreciate your service. IF JUST ONCE AMERICANS COULD WORK TOGETHER RATHER THAN FIGHT EACH OTHER, OUR NATION COULD BE GREAT ONCE AGAIN.......assuming we could ban politicians from our meetings. ;-)