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Dec 16, 2023 22:22:16   #
EmilyD wrote:
So which one was he supposed to go by? That's the problem!! The part that says the documents are to "remain in the exclusive legal custody of the President" or "automatically t***sferred to the Archivist"? Which takes priority over the other?

I would do what he did....take exclusive legal custody of the records of my administration because it says that any request or order for access to such records must be made to the President, not NARA. That's pretty clear.
So which one was he supposed to go by? That's the ... (show quote)


It’s clear line while incumbent- in office they are his, when out of office they belong to the archives, he still has access rights but ownership clearly t***sfers when no longer in office. PRA states” Incumbent president records remain the exclusive legal custody of the president” You missed the incumbent part.

Not sure why this is confusing? PRA is clear on this.

Can’t take out pieces, miss interpret them , then call it ambiguous:
Incumbent- sitting President, he is no longer president he is former President no longer incumbent.
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Dec 16, 2023 22:07:19   #
eagleye13 wrote:
"So Biden was told to deliver on the federal aid but elected to unilaterally demand that Shokin be fired.

When the firing occurred, Shokin’s office was investigating Burisma Holdings, an energy firm that paid H****r B***n a huge amount of money.

The State Department had identified it as a corrupt company engaged in bribery.

Recent testimony from Devon Archer, a business associate of H****r B***n, revealed that Burisma executives made the removal of Shokin a top priority and raised it with H****r.

He described how the need to neutralize Shokin was raised with H****r and how “a call to Washington” was made in response.

President Biden has insisted, “I did nothing wrong. I carried out the policy of the United States government in rooting out corruption in Ukraine. And that’s what we should be focusing on.”"

Yep!
"So Biden was told to deliver on the federal ... (show quote)

Sounds like you have more solid information than DOJ and/or Senate Ethics Committee that just started formal congressional investigation.

You keep saying And a agree: Trump is innocent until proven guilty, shouldn’t that apply to Joe Biden as well.

You already state Joe Biden is guilty, he and his family is corrupt. Yet the guy Trump who with THREE CONVICTIONS (Trump University’s- fraud, defamation and sexual abuse- Jean Carroll, NY summary Fraud Judgement), 91 indictments- still deemed innocent on these, numerous civil suits vs Joe Biden with No Convictions is guilty.
You can’t have it both ways.

I’m also getting feedback that the courts (juries, judges that were previously deemed non political and provided solid fact based judgements based on evidence and law) are now political, corrupt and convictions/ lost or not pursued appeals make court system non functional because they have found Trump guilty and are even prosecuting him at all.

DOJ/FBI are weaponized, court system is corrupt, v****g systems are fraudulent, all MSM is “ f**e news, p*******e ring in basement of pizza joint run by democrats( pizza joint referenced doesn’t even have a basement) are all conspiracy theories propagated since Trump came on the political scene by Trump and/or his supporters with no definitive proof. ( Rudi just got hit with $148m conviction settlement for defaming e******n workers).

What’s changed? Four years of Trump- he tried to weaponize DOJ and FBI and Military- Trumps now & after losing e******n Trump is projecting his actions to weaponize DOJ/FBI onto Biden Administration, Same with v***r f***d had four years to secure it , if needed-claims after four years in office it’s still fraudulent and if he loses in 2024 that it is still is corrupt or fraudulent- no proof, Trump campaigned in 2016 on draining swamp, after four years in office and three years out he’s campaigning again to drain the swamp again. Where was the swamp creatures 10 or 20 or 50 years ago- no, why then is this rhetoric surfacing same time as Trump.

It’s how facists or dictators gather support and take over governments, projecting their desire in controlling media, congress, military and courts make them all corrupt due to current administration in citizens eyes with facist dictator being only one that can fix it and “ drain the swamp”.

I don’t buy it and I feel our Democratic Republic is at risk due to the length of time these unsupported conspiracy theories(lies) have existed and continue to be repeated with minimal consequences so they become t***h to Trump supporters.
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Dec 16, 2023 21:20:33   #
EmilyD wrote:
YOU read it!!!

The P**********l Records Act of 1978 ""- Establishes in law that any incumbent P**********l records (whether textual or electronic) held on courtesy storage by the Archivist remain in the exclusive legal custody of the President and that any request or order for access to such records must be made to the President, not NARA."

It also says this:

"Establishes a process by which the President may restrict and the public may obtain access to these records after the President leaves office; specifically, the PRA allows for public access to P**********l records through the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) beginning five years after the end of the Administration, but allows the President to invoke as many as six specific restrictions to public access for up to twelve years."

https://www.archives.gov/p**********l-libraries/laws/1978-act.html

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YOU read it!!! br br The P**********l Records Act... (show quote)


The PRA also says:
Establishes that P**********l records automatically t***sfer into the legal custody of the Archivist as soon as the President leaves office.
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Dec 16, 2023 21:08:59   #
Justice101 wrote:
The NY Post broke the H****r laptop story before the 2020 e******ns. It is proven to be authentic. I guess you don't believe that either because they are a right-leaning source?

I suppose that the Republicans would have to verify the bribery suggested more thoroughly with interviews with the Ukrainians involved and with past members of Obama's cabinet who would know the details of the story in order to include that in the impeachment if that is their intent.


There is a big difference between News and opinion pieces. Opinion pieces tend to be highly skewed based on political leanings. The piece I referenced was stated as an onion ion piece. Not a “news story”.
Not sure which the Biden laptop was but sounds like a “ breaking news story” at the time.

I did not take a position on Biden laptop, I did not say whether I believed it or not. You are making an assumption that is inaccurate and in indicating that because it’s right wing media.

Big distinction between news report and news editorial and which is factual and which has biased leanings the two are not the same.
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Dec 14, 2023 23:34:29   #
Justice101 wrote:
https://nypost.com/2023/08/22/joe-bidens-ukraine-defense-falls-apart/

Biden has always had a certain penchant for bragging, whether it’s claiming a dead man told him he reached a million miles on Amtrak, being a cross-country trucker or fighting off some “bad dude” named Corn Pop.

But one of those bravado moments may have revealed more than vanity.

Ironically, it’s the one controversial story that appears entirely true.

In a 2018 interview at the Council on Foreign Relations, Biden bragged that he unilaterally withheld a billion dollars in US aid from the Ukrainians to force them to fire Prosecutor-General Viktor Shokin.

The Ukrainians balked, but Biden gave them an ultimatum: “I looked at them and said, ‘I’m leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money.’ Well, son of a b***h. He got fired.”

The premise of the story is that Biden took this extraordinary stand because there was little hope for the anti-corruption efforts in Ukraine if Shokin remained prosecutor.

That is now questionable.

The Oct. 1, 2015, memo summarizes the recommendation of the Interagency Policy Committee that was handling the anti-corruption efforts in Ukraine: “Ukraine has made sufficient progress on its reform agenda to justify a third guarantee.”

One senior official even complimented Shokin on his progress in fighting corruption.

So Biden was told to deliver on the federal aid but elected to unilaterally demand that Shokin be fired.

When the firing occurred, Shokin’s office was investigating Burisma Holdings, an energy firm that paid H****r B***n a huge amount of money.

The State Department had identified it as a corrupt company engaged in bribery.

Recent testimony from Devon Archer, a business associate of H****r B***n, revealed that Burisma executives made the removal of Shokin a top priority and raised it with H****r.

He described how the need to neutralize Shokin was raised with H****r and how “a call to Washington” was made in response.

President Biden has insisted, “I did nothing wrong. I carried out the policy of the United States government in rooting out corruption in Ukraine. And that’s what we should be focusing on.”

Indeed, that will now be the focus, including the close correlation of the money and demands going to H****r and the actions of his father.

There is evidence the State Department was alarmed by H****r’s work and its impact on anti-corruption efforts.

While Joe was portraying his work as fighting corruption, some officials were warning that the Bidens could be part of the problem, not the solution, in Ukraine.

Leading diplomat George Kent wrote then-Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch, “The real issue to my mind was that someone in Washington needed to engage VP Biden quietly and say that his son H****r’s presence on the Burisma board undercut the anti-corruption message the VP and we were advancing in Ukraine [because] Ukrainians heard one message from us and then saw another set of behavior with the family association with a known corrupt figure whose company was known for not playing by the rules.”

As part of the first impeachment of President Donald Trump, Democrats largely dismissed earlier accounts of these misgivings and portrayed Shokin as a thoroughly corrupt prosecutor perpetuating corruption.

Biden’s Ukrainian Corn Pop story was celebrated as a gutsy moment of leadership.

During the impeachment, Kent said Biden’s demand was consistent with US policy.

Yet we now know the State Department had found progress was being made on corruption and Shokin was praised in private correspondence.

The demand for the replacement of the equivalent of the attorney general in another country is an extraordinary move.

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We give massive amounts of money to countries with rampant corruption and authoritarian records.

But Biden decided Shokin had to go and used public money to make that happen.

The memo also highlights the flaws in the Trump impeachment.

When I testified before the House Judiciary Committee at the only impeachment hearing, I told the committee it should not depart from history and proceed to an impeachment without fact witnesses on the grounds for impeachment.

Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) and others refused.

It now seems there was material evidence that would have been used at the impeachment trial.

Trump was alleging there was a conflict of interest with the Bidens, and the evidence could have challenged Biden’s account and established his son’s interest in the Shokin firing.

https://nypost.com/2023/07/31/ex-h****r-biden-partner-devon-archer-arrives-for-house-deposition/

Archer said during a four-hour House Oversight Committee interview that Ukrainian natural gas company Burisma Holdings paid H****r up to $1 million per year to serve on its board because of his family’s “brand.”

Archer met with then-Vice President Joe Biden in April 2014, within days of joining Burisma’s board alongside H****r, and told lawmakers that “Burisma would have gone out of business if ‘the brand’ had not been attached to it,” according to a readout from panel Republicans.

According to Archer, Burisma owner Mykola Zlochevsky — who allegedly told an FBI informant in 2016 he was “coerced” to pay $10 million in bribes to H****r and Joe Biden — put intense pressure on H****r in late 2015 to enlist US support for ousting Ukrainian prosecutor-general Viktor Shokin, who had investigated Burisma, the Republican readout said.

At one point, H****r B***n, Zlochevsky and Burisma executive Vadym Pozharskyi stepped away and “called DC” about the issue, Archer said.

“We wish he could have given us more detailed answers on some of our questions. But what he did provide is massive,” she added. “He provided, as a former business partner of H****r B***n, that Joe Biden lied to the American people so many times. Joe Biden is on record over and over — on video and interviews — saying, ‘I don’t know anything about my son’s business dealings. I’ve never talked to H****r about his business.'”
https://nypost.com/2023/08/22/joe-bidens-ukraine-d... (show quote)


New York Post is a far right “Opinion” publication. If this is all true and factual I would think some action if deemed illegal would be pursued.
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Dec 14, 2023 23:24:52   #
jack sequim wa wrote:
What was the dollar worth in 1972+/- ?
Buying power then and now

We then replace the variables with the historical CPI values. The CPI in 1970 was 38.8 and 300.84 in 2023.

$1,000,000 in 1970 has the same purchasing power as $7,753,608.25 today.


Your point is we lost 7-8 times purchasing power since 1970 53 years?

14% inflation once your used to you income ( which was 1
$1.00 an hour pumping gas as teenager. $40/week, $2080/ year less taxes 14 % inflation was a $291 hit to budget. ) was tough to absorb.
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Dec 14, 2023 22:07:24   #
EmilyD wrote:
Historians have not had a chance to rate Trump on his COMPLETE legacy at this point in time! He's still alive and may yet win another term in office, where his legacy would be greatly affected! Yet here you are telling people that these historians have already rated him! That's pretty deceptive of you!


I asked you to look it up, so you would understand the process, not trying to be sneaky or deceptive. Obviously you didn’t look, that ones on you.
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Dec 14, 2023 22:02:22   #
EmilyD wrote:
So....they rate a president's legacy BEFORE he dies?? A person's life is not "history" until they are not here anymore. It's foolish of them to judge someone before their life is over...and really stupid to call it his "history" just because he left the oval office!

Not very good "historians", in my opinion!!


I didn’t make the process, they meet and discuss and evaluate after president leaves office. Normally it has no impact as incumbents are usually re-elected to consecutive terms or don’t run again. His p**********l history Data is current after term is over they might have to wait up to 20 years if they wait til presidents die. Little to no related p**********l things happen after term is over. These are not meant to be eulogies.

You are entitled to your opinion.
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Dec 14, 2023 21:55:13   #
EmilyD wrote:
Stop with the niceties. You don't mean them....they contradict your whole attitude here.....they are shallow.

Nothing I have posted are "my suppositions"...they are the t***h. Something you seem to want to avoid.

The T***H is that before their "surprise" raid in August, when Trump was not home the FBI had already been to Trump's home when he was there in June (June 3). He met with them and they talked about the boxes! Trump did what they asked him to. When they raided his home in August and was not there, Trump could not have offered the boxes or any of the documents to them because he wasn't there....and they KNEW it! So they made it look like a raid. It was sneaky, and a lot of Americans bought the lie. If they didn't look at the documents during the June visit, it is NOT Trump's fault! You don't like this, but it is what happened.

Deal with it.
Stop with the niceties. You don't mean them....the... (show quote)


Did you read my post. Are you saying none of my last post is true..? I didn’t say your post wasn’t true you just left out a lot of Trump incriminating facts.

No problem let’s see what the courts say, unless supreme courts rules he is immune. Then it all doesn’t matter.
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Dec 14, 2023 21:50:41   #
padremike wrote:
If he can read it in print or hear it on MSNBS it's immediately sacrosanct t***h.


I could say same for you on OAN or Newsmax or Fox

I listen to far right and far left media and make my own assessment of what t***h. I am not brainwashed by one media input set. Also I research he question on internet for facts from reliable or multiple sources vs spew unsupported opinions.

That said your statement is highly inaccurate, MSNBC is an occasional visit.

I have you ignored but since this isn’t my original note your posts still appear to surface. I will be ignoring your future posts. My last posts indicate that your demeaning name call,img does not add value and you’ve decided to continue( not I this note for once). Bye
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Dec 14, 2023 21:40:58   #
padremike wrote:
Don't tell me that I don't know you. The entire conscientious world now knows you and they're rejecting your ideology. Your facts are direct from the spoon fed DNC State Controlled Marxist Media. You're the walking dead, victim of a very efficient clandestine spin machine. You morons didn't v**e against Trump because of his great policies and agenda. No, you v**ed against Trump because you were brainwashed to h**e him. Only the lazy, simple-minded Marxist influenced simpletons were this susceptible to brainwashing. Very little effort was needed to capture you. You didn't v**e for Biden because you liked him, you v**ed against Trump because you were taught to h**e him. You still h**e him over the worst POS to ever occupy the Oval Office. A man so worthless that the British Parliment v**ed to hold him in contempt.

What you call my "far right" info sources or people now identified as far right by the Left were once basic everyday Traditional Americans until the worthless, evil cultural Marxist finally captured the Democrat Party and spawned people like you. You're d********g.

You gave no response to those C*******t Goals I gave you. Perhaps you saw yourself smack in the middle of them?
Don't tell me that I don't know you. The entire c... (show quote)

I spent an hour preparing a response to your 45 c*******t goals, you or someone else threw those at me before, it’s either on someone else’s post or I lost it trying to add an attachment. Either way I have found it or time to recreate it at this time. My miss.
I actually agreed with some of your points but also found many that are in Trumps 2025 plans after elected.

Also you haven’t changed your demeaning name calling rhetoric. That’s a disqualifyer for me Bye. Your rhetoric does to create civil exchange of ideas and is immoral.

Morality behavior to concern any actions towards others intended to impact them in a positive ( moral) or negative( immoral) way. Respect of persons, benefice and justice are three principles of morality.


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Dec 14, 2023 21:22:59   #
EmilyD wrote:
Historians have not had a chance to rate Trump on his COMPLETE legacy at this point in time! He's still alive and may yet win another term in office, where his legacy would be greatly affected! Yet here you are telling people that these historians have already rated him! That's pretty deceptive of you!


Emily- here’s the process, Historians have a set of objective and subjective criteria/ questions they answer on each President after they leave office.( Some organisations periodically reevaluate them all as well if new info surfaces.)

That’s the process. Doesn’t matter if alive or dead.

Should he get elected again in 2029 they would rate his 2nd term( not sure if they would give a consolidated review as well)

That’s the process, it’s not deceptive, the fact that he’s 41st( bottom five) is not great.

Look it up
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Dec 14, 2023 21:13:26   #
EmilyD wrote:
The FBI knew exactly where the documents were in Trump's house.

I know exactly where the documents were! They were in a locked room in Trump's home. I know this because three FBI agents went to Mar-a-Lago on June 3, 2022 - two months earlier than the f**e raid they conducted and saw the boxes there! They didn't look into the boxes at the time, but they did tell Trump to keep the boxes locked in a single room, which he complied with! He also told them during the June 3 visit that they could take the boxes or wh**ever they wanted from them, but that the National Archives wanted some of them for their own purposes. None of you conspiracy people ever say anything about this! Look it up! There are timelines of these visits all over the net.

The problem I have with the FBI going to his home in August was that they went there at a time they KNEW he was not home. Trump couldn't tell them to go ahead and take the boxes or wh**ever they wanted from him because he was NOT THERE! And this is obvious because when they showed up at Mar-a-Lago, they told the staff to turn off all the cameras! It's a good thing Eric Trump was there that day because he was able to at least keep the cameras going. Those videos have never been shown to anyone. I really want to see them! All of them! Especially the ones of them going through Melania's lingerie drawers!

Trump also said he never told the FBI agents they couldn't have any of the documents - they just didn't take them in June - probably because they wanted the raid they were planning later on to look "real". There is even some suspicion that documents were planted in Trump's home by the FBI when they went there in either the June visit or the August raid.
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What happened on your timeline that Trump was subpoenaed to return the documents and delayed return, what about the affidavit that Trump had his lawyer sign that indicated he had returned all the documents requested but really hadn’t , or conversation in lawyers testimony that if he didn’t return them all he’d be breaking the law.
Bottom line He took them , knew he had them and they weren’t his, did not have them Properly secured, did not return them when requested, showed them to unauthorised people, had them in multiple locations, search subpoena was clearly in order.

Most of your suppositions appear to cover Trumps inappropriate and yet to be determined illegal actions and are just theories not facts. The trial will bring all the facts on. You have your view I have mine and I agree to disagree with you.

Cheers. Thanks for sharing.


How did you miss all that?
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Dec 14, 2023 21:01:33   #
4430 wrote:
There hasn't been any unity in the USA since Obama came into play .


What specifically did Obama do to break up USA unity?, he pulled us out of recession, was ranked 10th of 45 presidents by Historians( Trump was 41st- Biden not ranked until out of office)
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Dec 14, 2023 20:53:32   #
BIRDMAN wrote:
Why did a vice president have classified docs that he was not supposed to have


Biden & Pence shouldn’t have, once aware of it they had them collected and returned where they belong.
If Trump had provided info as requested he basically would have been in same position as Biden & Pence, instead he held back responding, then he gave partial documents and had lawyer create letter confirming he sent them all, then search subpoena found more.
He’s said everything was declassified, then he said they were his, pointed fingers at everyone else, then he shared some of the classified documents with MarALargo guests/ tenants and bragged about having them. Who knows what else he did with them.

You question is a mute point. Biden and Pence could be subject to penalties, but know where near the penalties Trump created through his actions. His lawyer even told him not returning all the requested documents would be illegal.

Thanks for sharing.

Two radically different ways to handle similar situations.
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