OK. Let's take a look at this problem from a different perspective. Read this article in the "New American" about Jefferson's "nullification" principle to eliminate federal overreach of its designated constitutional powers:

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/constitution/item/19589-utah-rep-introduces-bill-to-cut-off-water-to-the-nsa-data-center?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_campaign=d61294c533-The_Editors_Top_Picks_3_12_143_12_2014&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_8ca494f2d2-d61294c533-289813317
"Sunday, 23 November 2014 Utah Rep. Introduces Bill to Cut off Water to the NSA Data Center
Written by Joe Wolverton, II, J.D.

Mr. Wolverton is addressing the issue of federal government overreach of its authority in the news right now because of Obama's executive orders (Obamacare and Amnesty) regarding John Boehner's lawsuits and the recent construction in Utah of a huge NSA spy complex housing a national database of public surveillance records.

Wolverton presents an interesting study in constitutional law fighting Federal Overreach in 1793. Historically, States retaliated with implementation of Jefferson's "nullification" principle, falling back on our 4th and 10th Amendment rights. Massachusetts was the first to fight Federal Overreach by negating implementation of the Federal Fugitive Salve Act.

In this "New American" article, there exist a photo of NSA's sprawling monstrosity snuggled out in the Utah desert like an enormous flat-roofed ant farm.

There is an emerging organization attempting to shut this thing down, initiated by Utah Republican state legislator, Marc Roberts and fellow in arms, Michael Boldin.

Accordingly, Wolverton details how representative Marc Roberts aligned with Michael Boldin's Tenth Amendment Center's special OFFNow Coalition to render this "Panopticon" of NSA inoperable.

Marc Roberts has drafted HB #161 hoping to shut off the facility's water and power supply. Yeah, right! How is this going to work out?

Past state attempts to nullify federal overreach of authority go back to pre-civil war days in an effort to shut down s***ery in the South.

Accordingly, enforcement of the Federal Fugitive S***e Act of 1793 was rebuked by the State of Massachusetts through the application Thomas Jefferson's principle of "nullification" of Congressional and Executive Overreach of their authority beyond constitutional law specifications.

Massachusetts enacted its own laws to impede state official's compliance to this Federal law, as Utah is attempting undermine NSA's reign of unbridled public inquisitions. Massachusetts passed its own legislation denying its own state officials authority to return escaped s***es to their southern masters. Massachusetts exercised this rebuke of federal law, citing the 4th and 10th Amendments "nullified" the illegal Fugitive S***e Act.

Do we have any more recent applications of states rights exercising this nullification process against federal overreach in the 20th Century that would set legal precedence for Utah's "nullification" of NSA operations, or is this all wishful thinking on Mr. Wolverton's part?

Wolverton wants to fight government overreach on the state level instead of using John Boehner's lawsuits on the federal level. Wolverton has no faith in the Supreme Court rulings.

Is State's "nullification" principle really doable without fear of DHS ordering the National Guard to descend upon the State Capitol in Salt Lake City? We seem to have reached a Constitutional Crisis here.

Oh, so you are admitting there WAS such an imigration bill that reached the Senate and that it was v**ed down, but now switch your complaint to the fact that this bill denigrated the necessity of DHS?

That's nice too.

The uniforms might be a start to discipline, maybe, but even so, how do you think the current high school curriculum would fare towards producing an employable 18 year old outside of McDonalds? Might I add, many of these college degrees still provide no job sk**ls. Most of this time is wasted in social indoctrination.

Voice of Reason, I must wholeheartedly disagree with you. Perhaps Charter Schools are where we could compromise?

Your personal experience in education is not what I would term as beneficiary to you, your family, nor to society. but, how do you see your experience?

There is something romantic about the Renaissance, where youth was apprenticed to a master tradesman, be it the family business, or elsewhere. Life was short then, the value of an individual's capacity to produce long-lasting high-quality goods was enormous.

(Don't get me wrong; I have nothing against mass production today, if the goods have a long life warranty.)

We just seem to have a different value of human worth and what we create. Industrial apprenticeships would go a long way to restoring human worth and creativity and it would greatly reduce the cost of schooling and get far better results.

It simply is not normal to drop a child into a pool of 1000 other kids, like throwing them into a pool of sharks, and tell them to get with the program, sink or swim.

Striker,
I got the message. I comes through loud and clear. You must be fan of Ron and Ran Paul. Ron Paul has an excellent education website on the history of money and the Federal Reserve Board.

Thanks, Coos Bay. Tell all your buddies that one letter represents 10,000 voices.

DB, I did not state that Agenda 21 was a "law," but provided you with the paper proof of its existence. The International Handicapped protection treaty IS A LAW, that I was discussing. You seem to have missed my point. sorry.

The problem with the advancing of the agenda 21 is pure MISINFORMATION, driving the uneducated Third World into a socialist mentality of "redistribution of the wealth" as in Road Warriors.

DennisDee wrote:
Nonsense
Americans have clearly supported Securing Borders FIRST. Many Border Security Bills are sitting in Senate because Reid refuses to allow a v**e



The House version of "Secure the Border First" went to Senator Rand Paul, whose bill was v**ed down by the Senate, and I posted a reference to this bill a few pages back, but nobody here seems to have made a note of this.

Why?

Here, take a look at this article:
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2014/11/11/sheriffs-to-march-on-washington-in-protest-of-amnesty-n1917167
Sheriffs to March on Washington in Protest of I*****l I*********n Lawlessness: "We're Tired of Being Marginalized"

It is also legal for citizens to form their own m*****as and make citizen's arrests. It could come to that. Unfortunately, our President greatly underestimates the character of the American people.

We already have 92 million Americans unemployed or underemployed after the collapse of the market and additional burden of Obamacare. I am not afraid to help harvest our own crops, I have done farm work in my youth.

Yeah. This is the biggest bank heist in world history going down, and it ain't over yet. The Prez anticipates ordering the Feds to print $10 trillion in funny money, devaluing the dollar to 40 Cents in buying power by the time he finishes office, instead of building and creating new wealth to bolster the dollar.

Of course, we could auction off some of the government land holdings, which now tally 50% of all the USA. Newt Gingrich predicts even leasing some of the land for natural gas and oil mining would pay down the $17 trillion national debt within 5 years.

The Progressives would rather our nation crash in debt of unfunded liabilities than lease a square inch of land back to the public. This is socialist tyranny, a centralized planned destruction of the economy.

Interesting. You were asking for textual documentation of the existence of Agenda 21 and I provided it.

As for "roundup time," actually occurring, take a closer look at the UN's expanded definition of "handicapped" with their International treaty on protection handicapped people's rights which President Obama signed, without Congressional full debate.

Why is this International Treaty important? It's a word game. I*****l a***ns can be classed as "handicapped people" and thus the United Nations can mandate Mexican annexation of California because of the large population of i******s.

We already have more protection of handicapped people in America due to GH Bush's legislation, than all other nations combined in the UN. Nevertheless, it is very tricky what these socialists in the UN are up to with these international treaties. Senator Orrin Hatch has argued quite eloquently against the UN treaties and Agenda 21.

Then, say we return to applying one standard test of basic sk**ls at the end of 8th grade, and let the additional years of education be diversified as to what the parents and students deem in their own self interest?

Maybe all of these education options should fall under States Rights, the 10th Amendment?

At first, one would suspect the President was attempting to purchase the Hispanic v**e with promises of amnesty. But he was willing to prioritize, his biggest agenda is still pushing the Public Option through psychological warfare, using the threat of disease and drugs crossing a very porous open border to force the pubic to demand socialized medicine.

This, too, will backfire, since the intent is so t***sparent, and the Republicans have a far better alternative, a bill that has already passed the House and has sat buried on Harry Reid's desk: The American Health Care Reform Act, HR3121, which reforms the insurance company industry, opens up interstate commerce, enforces the anti-trust laws, covers preexisting conditions, and returns to free market principles.

I ask everybody once again:
Which would you prefer: Paying a private practitioner who profits from curing you, or paying the Health Department that profits from k*****g you? Medical triage, pain pills, doping the public into oblivion, or the Gang of 15 Death Panels in Medicare?

Ah. You write: the retugnicans made him [Obama] who he is today, and they don't like it.... unles they extend that olive branch of compromise"

It's like this. There are two options: 1) compromise, or 2) stand your ground and don't compromise, and let the v**ers change the hand of cards by v****g in a new Congress, and that is what is happening now. Of course, you can argue that nobody is playing with a full deck, but that is irrelevant.

the pot is really boiling. Take a look at this video and article:
http://conservativetribune.com/house-lawyer-rips-obama/?utm_source=feedblitz&utm_medium=FeedBlitzEmail&utm_content=936184&utm_campaign=0
Top Lawyer in House Lawsuit Rips Obama to Shreds in This Devastating Speech [VIDEO]
Saturday, November 22nd, 2014