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Jul 25, 2015 21:39:41   #
Scoop Henderson wrote:
President Obama is by his actions Moslem not Muslim.
If you have allegiance to Israel you are not concerned with your fellow American's safety.



The allegiance is to the God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob. God Bless Israel! !! God bless America! !!

Your very confused and making assumptions out of thin air
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Jul 25, 2015 21:36:23   #
Rufus wrote:
May God bless Israel and all of His chosen people. I will be so happy when Israel has all of the land God has promised them. :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:



AMEN, AND AMEN! !!!!
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Jul 25, 2015 21:34:59   #
Marcus Johnson wrote:
You simply disregard any information that contradicts your position, so why can't I ?

Noah was 950 years old ,seriously?

Absolutely zero evidence of a global flood. Zero!

Nothing that accounts for the different races of people living today.

The fact that The biblical flood story is nearly identical to the Epic of Gilgamesh story.

These few things alone destroy the bible.

Have a good day.



I'm quoting modern 2014 science, your quoting what? And you have the free will to believe anything, eternal life in heaven or hell, t***h or lies.
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Jul 25, 2015 21:30:43   #
eagleye13 wrote:
Quotes from the Babylonian Talmud:
Here are some very enlightening 13 (thirteen) quotes below from the Babylonian Talmud and other commentaries and tracts I cite from such as the Zohar, Aruch, Yalkut, Tosefta, Soferim, etc., besides the Gaza and Palestine Map and Talmudic quotes by Stuart Wilde he makes in his article below, which shows the centuries long mentality driving the Talmudic Z*****ts of the current debacle and the massacre occurring there, plus chronicles the 64 year decades long land-grabbing fiasco and why they don't really want peace as they claim, except "peace" - i.e., in the sense of the absence of opposition to them such as in the old red c*******t Soviet Union Bolshevik style meaning of the word "peace", viz, "c*******t 'peace' ".

Please note especially the highlighted in bold Talmudic numerical references quotes I make below of #4, #5, #8 and #10. They show hard evidence of what I have been saying for years that the Talmudic Z*****t Kaballastic Pharisee Jews have infiltrated Christianity and influenced and distorted Christian doctrine for at least since the time of the 2nd century C.E. with the Babylonian Gnostic Kaballistic doctrine of Marcion the Heretic and the lingering Spirit of Marcionism until this very day in Christian and Catholic seminaries worldwide by infiltrating their priesthood and leadership as high level 33 degree+ Master Masons, Kaballists, hidden Gnostics, Jesuits and other Illuminati-Satanist types infiltrated at the very top since the original Apostles of Yahshua all died out. They did this to change the doctrine Yahshua taught of Law AND Grace together into a licentious Grace-only doctrine of demons to destroy the application of the Torah/Law for blessings upon the non-Jew "goyim" believers in Yahshua HaMashiyach by further distorting the words and teachings of Paul and then de-emphasizing Yahshua and the rest of the Apostles of Yahshua.

The Talmudic influence on Christianity to distort and undermine and eventually supplant the then mainstream faith of the original Apostolic Nazarene Torah believers of Yahshua's and the Apostles' original Hebrew Nazarene - Israel Torah-Grace oriented Ecclesia/Assembly is thus not only strongly hinted at but the evidence becomes overwhelming this indeed did happen with the introduction of "Pauline Christianity" by certain disciples of Paul distorting his teachings after his death and even before then. Pursuit of this investigative line opens up amazing pictures of and insight into this infiltration of Talmudists into not only Catholicism and all subsequent denominations of Christianity and churchianity, but also later even Mohammedanism, and even still later Mormonism and other false religions and cults too numerous to mention here, and all of this being concealed from the innocent followers.

They did this by making it "forbidden" for anyone of the "goyim", to teach, be taught, learn or study the Torah so that he could learn its "secrets" and be blessed by YHWH for obedience to it. They wanted to strip any of the "goy " from obtaining blessings of keeping of the precepts and commandments of Torah so that they, these r****t Talmudical Pharaisical Jews of the Synagogue of Satan that Yahshua condemned, could reserve these blessings from the Father Yahweh ONLY for themselves, because, after all, they're the "exclusive chosen race", and hence they also invented the alleged 7 Noahide Laws for ONLY the Christian "goyim".

And most Christians in their blindness of the masses and naivete, simply trust in their leaders and pastors like "dumb sheep" or the "goyim/cattle" and just go along with it and fall for it, being seduced by words and they simply parrot what their leaders and false shepherds say without being able to think for themselves, being under a demonic kaballistic trance, enchantment or spell in a zombie-like state.

That is the sad state that most Christians are in today, being taken in as fools and ens***ed by these master long hidden wolves in sheep's clothing anti-Christ/Mashiyach Talmudists hard at work in their religion and churches everywhere, but vainly imagining that they are "saved" and walking rightly in the original Faith and doctrines of Yahshua HaMashiyach. But continuing to willfully sin wholesale against the Torah after initially repenting and accepting Yahshua's Salvation while falsely believing that Yahshua's victory at Calvary now gives them license to continue sinning and engage "after their salvation experience" in all kinds of paganism and debauchery in a life of disobedience and non-observance to Yahweh's Torah/Laws, precepts and principles of judgment and justice and worship as He dictates.

And so then, they live as they please instead thinking they shall escape judgment, after all "the law is done away with" they reason in their own debauched drugged up dumbed down minds, and now "eternal salvation is "easy faith" and "easy belief" and "guaranteed" and "once saved always saved" and "you're OK if you still want to or continue to sin" " is the lies they are constantly told and continually keep parroting to themselves and to others as the parrots they are. May Yahweh cause them as the blind and the deaf to see and hear and then repent and have mercy on their souls.

Adolph Hitler once said keep telling a lie often enough and the people will come to believe that the lie is the t***h. How sad, but true it is. As a master of enchantment he was certainly onto something.

And as the article on Marcion in the above web link states: "One discovery is that the popularity of the Scofield Reference Bible has also contributed to the thriving of the spirit of Marcion in churches today. According to Botkin, several of Scofield’s notes strongly suggest a Marcionite view of Law and Grace and a reader of the notes is left with the impression that Law and Grace are mutually exclusive. "

Thus in this way, many of these naive "Grace-only" believers become either witting or unwitting dupes and agents or hasbarim for the Babylonian Talmudists Z*****ts seduced into becoming advocates for and advocating their theology and agenda, even though they may say or even think or publish information that they are vehemently opposed to the Talmudic Z*****ts. Yet the insincere witting dupe and hasbara agent among them will actually hold to the exact opposite view and secretly support the Babylonian Talmudist Z*****ts in their agenda and vigorously promote their agenda and goal to destroy the Torah/Law blessings for the obedient non-Jew "goyim" believers in Yahshua/Jesus by deliberately propagating such false gospel of the law being done away with allegedly while actually hypocritically and secretly practicing or believing in it themselves.

This is the old Talmudic origin Kaballastic enchanting demonic Hegelian Dialectic trick of Stalin's infamy saying he "will destroy the opposition by joining them as "false opposition" to the "established order" while pretending to be in agreement with them as the opposition but secretly working against them in order to undermine their movement, or in this case, the Faith/Belief/Principlesof Divine Law/Practices of the Believer of Yahweh/Yahshua HaMashiyach.

This process of seduction and abduction of the Faith of the Faithful/emunah believers has been going on for centuries but the unwitting initially ignorant "innocent" dupe who has been informed of the error of their ways but continues on in such does just as much damage to the Faith and to the innocent lambs of the Body of Mashiyach harming their souls as the witting insincere deliberate ones do, and both will be ultimately held accountable by the Almighty Yahweh Himself.

Now please read the 13 Talmudic references below which I mentioned above with special attention and emphasis onto the highlighted in bold Talmudic numerical references quotes I make below of #4, #5, #8 and #10, and I believe you will very quickly see just exactly what I am talking about. This is serious heavy stuff but it is the T***h that must be presented by you to those with eyes to see and ears to hear IF you are fully immersed in the Ruach Kodesh/Holy Spirit AND a true believer in Yahshua HaMashiyach.



1. "The teachings of the Talmud stand above all other laws. They are more important than the laws of Moses."- Rabbi Ismael, Rabbi Chambar, et. al.

2. "The decisions of the Talmud are the words of the living God. Jehovah Himself asks the opinion of the earthly rabbis when there are difficult affairs in heaven." - Rabbi Menachem Commentary on Fifth Book.

3. "Jehovah Himself studies the Talmud standing, he has such respect for that book."-Tract Mechilla.

4. "It is more wicked to question the words of the rabbis than that of the Torah."- Michna Sanhedryn 11:3.

5. "It is forbidden to disclose the secrets of the Torah/Law. He who would do it would be as guilty as though he destroyed the whole world." - Jektut Chadasz, 171, 3.

6. "Every goy who studies the Talmud and every Jew who helps him in it, ought to die." - Sanhedryn, 59a, Aboda Zora 8-6, Szagiga

7. "To communicate anything to a goy about our religious relations would be equal to the k*****g of all Jews, for if they knew what we teach about them they would k**l us openly." - Libbre David 37.

8. "If a Jew be called upon to explain any part of the rabbinic books, he ought to give only a false explanation. Who ever will violate this order shall be put to death." Libbre David 37.

9. "A Jew should and must make a false oath when the goyim asks if our books contain anything against them."-Szaaloth-Utszabot, The Book of Jore Dia 17.

10. "R. Johanan said: A heathen who studies the Torah deserves death, for it is written, Moses commanded us a law for an inheritance; it is our inheritance, not theirs. Then why is this not included in the Noachian laws? -- On the reading morasha [an inheritance] he steals it; on the reading me'orasah [betrothed], he is guilty as one who violates a betrothed maiden, who is stoned. An objection is raised: R. Meir used to say. Whence do we know that even a heathen who studies the Torah is as a High Priest? From the verse, "[Ye shall therefore keep my statutes, and my judgments:] which, if man do, he shall live in them". Priests, Levites, and Israelites are not mentioned, but men: hence thou mayest learn that even a heathen who studies the Torah is as a High Priest! -- That refers to their own seven laws."-Sanhedrin 59a [My commentary -- Here is the absolute proof of what I have said about the Babylonian Pharisee synagogue of Satan Talmudic Jews have infiltrated and subverted the original Apostolic doctrine of Nazarene Israelite and Hebrew Christian churches and assemblies and have been caught red-handed here in admitting "straight from the horse's mouth" that they have been engaged in a satanic conspiracy against the Most High Elohim and His Son's Redemptive Work for centuries by changing it into a Grace-only doctrine of demons instead of Law AND Grace: This section in Sanhedrin 59a is actually saying that the religion/faith of Christianity, i.e., "the heathen", or non-Jew "goyim" must be subverted and undermined and suppressed at all costs in their religious faith and practice from studying and learning the Torah/Law and prevented from carrying it out and practicing it, even to the point of their being executed to death by stoning or wh**ever means available, because otherwise they are thieves who will rob and "steal" their "inheritance" of the Torah which belongs to "only them", the Jews, and not "heathen men" in general", and thereby these "heathen men" would be blessed by Yahweh and shall then live and prosper eternally instead of "them", the Jews. A real wacko paranoid schizophrenic spirits New World Order conspiracy case of "us" vs "them" mentality--JLS]

11. "The Jews are human beings , but the nations of the world are not human beings but beasts."-Baba Mecia 114, 6 [i.e.: 114b].

12. "Jehovah created the non-Jew in human form so that the Jew would not have to be served by beasts. The non-Jew is consequently an animal in human form, and commanded to serve the Jew day and night." - Midrasch Talpioth, p225-L.

13. As soon as the King Messiah will declare himself, He will destroy Rome and make a wilderness of it. Thorns and weeds will grow in the Pope's palace.
Then He will start a merciless war on non-Jews and will overpower them. He will slay them in masses, k**l their kings and lay waste the whole Roman land. He will say to the Jews:'I am the King Messiah for whom you have been waiting. Take the Silver and Gold from the Goyim.'" - Josiah 60, 6 Rabbi Abarbanel to Daniel 7, 13.
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Once one is saved by the cleansing blood of Jesus the son of God, the holy spirt dwells within. No act, nothing can remove salvation, God is not a liar.
However there are many that grieve the holy spirit, as our body becomes the temple of God, and many do continue in sin. This effects the relationship with God, not salvation. Notwithstanding the insincere beliefs in Jesus, as the demon's believe and tremble.
Recall the ten virgins and oil lamps. ..those with no oil, (no holy spirit) never Christians, which is why Jesus state's , I never knew you. So many claims to be Christian, but never had a conversion.
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Jul 25, 2015 21:08:45   #
Jeffh****r wrote:
I was reading all morning about the 'true' lost tribes of isreal. And some claim that the jews that are in power in Israel today are not really the jews of the bible. It was very convincing argument. They claimed that the b****s that were ens***ed were the true jews and that the bible prophecy about God punishing jews was about them. There a bunch of stories on you tube if your interested. The story about jews retuning to their homesland hasn't come true yet.



Pre 1948 the land now called Israel was desolate. The land, it's trees, temple's, everything destroyed (as prophesied). Keep in mind the had been dispersed (as prophesied) throughout the world. Also keeping in mind that during the 19 40 ' s unlike today's technology, the ability to reach people around the world, including third world countries was extremely limited. No international telephone system, satellites, ect. Yet spontaneously millions returned to its land, and in one day (1) may 1948 Isreal became a nation. Now in just the last 2 years with the (worldwide) renewed interest in extreme anti-Semitism the jews are once again pouring into Israel.
Based on prophecies of this that are so specific it is impossible to say this has not happened. No doubt there are always those who will attempt to refute anything the bible states, this however is irefutable.
Something I have studied now for decades, and understand most really don't have the facts and evidence, rather hear media reports originated by Muslim resources that are remiss in publishing the facts and evidence, only their inaccurate propaganda. Then there is the unqualified making statements with half t***hs also remiss in facts and evidence.

Here is an excellent link that establishes the dozens of separate prophets and prophecies as well as addresses the arguments for and against.
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Jul 25, 2015 19:45:54   #
Marcus Johnson wrote:
So once again you refute your own position!
The Smithsonian link clearly states a direct link between the flood in the "Epic Of Gilgamesh " ,which was centuries before the biblical account.

The "water " that refer to is not in a liquid state and would require tremendous pressure and processing to render to a liquid.



You needed to combine information of the links to make sense, not cherry pick as I pointed out new evidence inv2014
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Jul 25, 2015 19:43:20   #
Jeffh****r wrote:
Hello jack,
My whole life of 49 years so far, the U.S. has been baby sitting ISREAL and trying to get them to make a peace deal with the pals but it never happens and ISREAL keeps taking more and more land, and never gives anything in return. Why does the U.S. care if ISREAL isnt doing anything wrong?


If the world tried to get the U.S.. to make peace with German times Hitler and give up our land, the outrageous idea is no more outrageous than Israel give up to others.
Also it is not Israel at war with the middle east, it is the middle east at war against Israel.
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Jul 25, 2015 19:39:14   #
Jeffh****r wrote:
Hello jack,
My whole life of 49 years so far, the U.S. has been baby sitting ISREAL and trying to get them to make a peace deal with the pals but it never happens and ISREAL keeps taking more and more land, and never gives anything in return. Why does the U.S. care if ISREAL isnt doing anything wrong?


There in is the first lie published for decades, Israel is nor taking land, they claimed their (less than) original land and have been giving up pieces for decades.
There is no such thing as palastine or its peoples, that is a post 1948 invented land and people that nations have empowered simply out of anti-Semitism for Israel. A lie told enough becomes the t***h.
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Jul 25, 2015 19:27:31   #
Marcus Johnson wrote:
You do a great job of exposing the contradictions in the bible. Thank you.
So first it's 2 then it's 7 makes perfect sense ,and Noah was 950 years old ! And then there's the fact that there is no geologic evidence of the flood.

Like most apologists for simply disregard actual hard scientific evidence. LOL!


I made perfect sense of no contradictions.

Let's catch up in modern science, in 2014 scientists discover that there is more water in the earth, than on the earth. Not only massive ocean near the Earth's core, but also a new mineral containing oceans of water. Thus when the bible states the springs gushed forth their water. The springs alone can flood the earth, even if it had not rained. Reported by a liberal magazine. .

http://time.com/22316/massive-water-reserve-near-earths-center-nature-study/

Here even is a liberal news station, reporting on evidence of a biblical flood.

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/evidence-suggests-biblical-great-flood-noahs-time-happened/story?id=17884533

the Smithsonian. .

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/evidence-for-a-flood-102813115/
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Jul 25, 2015 19:11:12   #
Jeffh****r wrote:
Hamas doesn't have the United statse tax payers providing them with the most technologically advanced weaponry in the world either does it?


Jeff, long time no debate with you. No insults, just the facts.

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/patrick-goodenough/us-selling-11b-weaponry-gulf-state-supports-hamas-syrian-jihadists
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Jul 25, 2015 18:42:17   #
payne1000 wrote:
By your comments, you must be a Z*****t.
Attempting to promote war with Iran is your agenda.
War with Iran is the opposite of peace in the world.
It appears you are the one who is not a loyal American.




Israel will wipe out Iran, as foretold.
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Jul 25, 2015 18:33:30   #
Marcus Johnson wrote:
Thank you for demonstrating that the Bible is indeed lacking in explanatory methodology and therefore also full of contradictions.
Your attempt to refute Dr. Steven Dimattei only confirms my point.

What about the straightforward contradictions in The" Flood Story"

Noah is commanded to gather 7 pairs of clean animals OR only 2 of each animal? (Gen 7:2 vs Gen 6:19-20,7:8,7:16)



Your statement is false, simply because some choose to read into the scriptures what is not there.


Chapter 6 concludes with these words: ‘“And of every living thing of all flesh, you shall bring two of every kind into the ark, to keep them alive with you; they shall be male and female. Of the birds after their kind, and of the animals after their kind, of every creeping thing of the ground after its kind, two of every kind will come to you to keep them alive. As for you, take for yourself some of all food which is edible, and gather it to yourself; and it shall be for food for you and for them.’ Thus Noah did; according to all that God had commanded him, so he did” (6:19-22).

Apparently, all of the animals would “come to” Noah voluntarily (6:20). It would seem that he would not have to hunt them down or look for them in remote places. Their natural instinct for self-preservation, energized by a special act of God, would bring them unerringly to Noah’s ark.31

The key to understanding biblical narratives is what is repeated in the context. In 6:22, Moses records this very important statement: “Thus Noah did; according to all that God had commanded him, so he did.” In chapter 7, he then repeats this phrase three more times (7:5, 9, 16). This informs us that God must be obeyed in all His instructions if His people expect to enjoy the fruit of life and blessing (e.g., Deut 26:16-19; 28:1-14).32

Before we move into chapter 7, we must quickly put ourselves in Noah’s sandals. Though he was thrust onto the front pages of his day’s newspaper as a “preacher of righteousness” (2 Pet 2:5), he did not flinch when the criticism came. No doubt he was called a fool and worse.33 Just imagine how many Noah jokes people came up with over a century! But he went on believing and working. Noah remained obedient, doing exactly what God said for 25, 50, 75, 100 years…until the ark lay like a huge coffin on the land.34 What a powerful reminder that God sometimes calls His servants to obey Him even when it seems nonsensical. In these situations, all that we can do is trust in the promises of God’s Word.

This section also reminds us that it is possible to be right with God, even amidst surrounding iniquity. God is the same today as He was to Noah, and if only we are willing to fulfill the conditions we too shall walk with God and please Him.

3. Trust in God’s Provision (7:1-16). Moses writes, “Then the LORD said to Noah, ‘Enter the ark, you and all your household, for you alone I have seen to be righteous before Me in this time. You shall take with you of every clean animal by sevens, a male and his female; and of the animals that are not clean two, a male and his female; also of the birds of the sky, by sevens, male and female, to keep offspring alive on the face of all the earth. For after seven more days, I will send rain on the earth forty days and forty nights; and I will blot out from the face of the land every living thing that I have made.’ Noah did according to all that the LORD had commanded him.” How many animals went into the ark? The t***h is that there is no inherent incompatibility between the two texts as they presently stand.Genesis 7:2-3 is just more precise than 6:19-20 on the question of the types and numbers of animals and birds that would board the ark. Noah’s first instruction was to admit pairs of all kinds of creatures on the ark to preserve their lives (6:19-20). That was the basic formula. Then he was given more specific instructions about admitting seven pairs of each of the clean animals and seven pairs of each kind of bird. The purpose of this measure was to become clear only after the flood. Birds would be needed to scout out the earth (8:7-12), and the clean animals35 and birds would be offered in sacrifice to the Lord (8:20). If Noah had taken only one pair of each and then offered each of these pairs in sacrifice, these species would have become completely extinct.
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Jul 25, 2015 18:05:13   #
Raylan Wolfe wrote:
Point out one of those specific accuracies?


Sure, I'll list over 2000 prophecies. ...

How about Israel becoming a nation in may 1948, a 3500 year old prophecy?


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Israel became a nation on May 15, 1948. This was a divine date set by God well over 2,500 years ago and is recorded in the Bible.

Before the Israelites entered the Promised Land, Moses declared to Israel the blessings of obedience and the curses for disobedience (Deuteronomy 28). The Israelites entered their land around 1400 B.C. under the leadership of Joshua (Joshua 1-24).

The prophet Ezekiel records the period determined by God as punishment for Israel’s disobedience.

Ezekiel 4:5-6
“For I have laid upon thee the years of their iniquity, according to the number of the days, three hundred and ninety days: so shalt thou bear the iniquity of the house of Israel. And when thou hast accomplished them, lie again on thy right side, and thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days: I have appointed thee each day for a year.”

· Punishment = 390 years + 40 years = 430 years 

Because of their disobedience to God's commands, the Israelites (Jews) were taken captive in 605 B.C. by the Babylonian King Nebuchadnezzar (2 Chronicles 36:5-21).

Later, King Cyrus of Persia conquered Babylon. In 536 B.C. Cyrus allowed the Jews to leave Babylon and return to their homeland.

· Punishment completed = 70 years (605 B.C – 536 B.C.)

· Punishment remaining = 430 year – 70 years = 360 years

Even though King Cyrus gave all Jews permission to return home, only a small number actually accepted the offer. The Jews had become comfortable in pagan Babylon and chose to stay in exile. Because of their disobedience to God, the 360 years of punishment remaining were multiplied by 7. The reason for this is explain in the book of Leviticus (Leviticus 26:18, 26:21, 26:24 and 26:28). In Leviticus, it says that if the people did not repent while being punished, the punishment would be multiplied by 7. Clearly, by staying in pagan Babylon, most exiles were refusing to repent. 

· New Punishment = 360 years x 7 = 2,520 years

The 2,520 years are actually Jewish lunar years. The lunar years must be converted as follows:

· 2,520 years x 360-day lunar calendar = 907,200 days

· 907,200 days divided by 365 days = 2,485.479 years

Exactly 2,485.479 years from 536 B.C. is the prophetic date of May 15, 1948. On this date, Israel became a nation just as promised in the Bible (Isaiah 66:8).

There is also more proof found in Scripture that Israel becoming a Nation in 1948 was a Divine fulfillment of Bible Prophecy.  In Deuteronomy 30:5, God made it perfectly clear that the Jews would indeed possess the land of Israel at the appointed time He declared. 

Deuteronomy 30:5 - "And the Lord your God will bring you into the land which your fathers possessed, and you shall possess it, and He will do you good and multiply you above your fathers." 

Deuteronomy 30:5 is verse # 5708 of the Torah, or the Old Testament.  The number 5708 is significant and proves that God is very exact with His plans for His people.  The year 1948 on the Gregorian calendar is the same year as 5708 on the Hebrew calendar.  How awesome that the verse number's prophecy is fullfilled in the same number of year as the verse itself!

 

        Additional Bible References:
Deuteronomy 4:27-28,30-31 * Jeremiah 30:3 * Isaiah 11:11 * Amos 9:11 * Ezekiel 36:24,33-35 * Jeremiah 24:2-4 * Matthew 24:32-33 

Additional Notes: 
~Counting a small part of the "Jewish Calendar Year" as a year, is the way the Jews would have reckoned the captivity from 605 B.C. to 536 B.C. as 70 years.
~There is only 1 year between 1 B.C. and A.D. 1, not 2 as a calculator will count.

Revelation 22:7
Saturday, July 25, 2015


All around the world, people are waiting for Jesus!
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Jul 25, 2015 17:59:20   #
Marcus Johnson wrote:
http://contradictionsinthebible.com/category /the flood/

1.Genesis (87)
2.Exodus (135)
3.Leviticus (71)
4.Numbers (128)
5.Deuteronomy (76)
6.Joshua (8)
7.Judges (6)
8.Samuel (6)
9 Kings (2)
10.Amos (1)
11.Hosea (1)
12.Isaiah (2)
13.Zephaniah (1)
14.Jeremiah (4)
15.Psalm (5)
16. Ezekiel (5)
17.Hehemiah (1)
18.Chronicles (7)
19.Malachi (2)
20.Job (2)
21.Ecclesiasties (1)
22.Daniel (1)
23. Old vs New Testament (25)

The bible contains competing ideologies, and belief systems, contradictory versions of the same stories, and even competing versions of "history " is a claim that biblical text's make themselves!
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This is not impressive as someone whom chooses to claim a deeper scholarly understanding, yet is not literate in the hebrew, Aramaic, and greek.

these false claims are easily refuted, but to the unlearned accepted as fact in their desire to reject the God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob.

by Eric Lyons, M.Min.

Even the most casual of Bible students are aware of the fact that the first son of Adam and Eve mentioned in the Bible is Cain. After noting that God banished the first couple from the garden of Eden following their sin, Genesis 4:1 indicates, “Now Adam knew Eve his wife, and she conceived and bore Cain, and said, ‘I have acquired a man from the Lord.’” The births of Abel and Seth are also mentioned in Genesis 4 (though the amount of time that lapses is unknown). One thing that Genesis 4 clearly teaches: Seth was born sometime after Cain and Abel. After Seth’s birth, Adam stated: “God has appointed another seed for me instead of Abel, whom Cain k**led” (4:25). Clearly, Cain had already murdered Abel by the time Seth was born.

In Genesis 5, however, in “the book of the genealogy of Adam” (from Adam to the patriarch Noah), Seth, not Cain, is listed as Adam’s son. According to University of Houston Bible Professor Steven Dimattei, Genesis 5:3-4 “clearly implies that Seth was the first born” (2013). Allegedly, in Genesis 5, “the genealogical list is enumerated from father to son; there is no mention of the female, and each son is depicted as the first son, who then further fathers a son…. [I]n this author’s genealogy there is no mention of Cain and Abel,” rather “Seth, like Enosh Kenan, Mahalalel, etc., is presented as the first son” (Dimattei, 2013).

As with so many “Bible discrepancies,” Dr. Dimattei’s assertion that there is “tension” between the fourth and fifth chapters of Genesis is based solely on the assumption that the sons listed in Genesis 5 were all firstborn sons. The fact is, however, the text never explicitly states, nor does it imply, that the sons listed were the “firstborn” of their fathers. One would think the first obvious clue that Genesis 5 is not implying the births of firstborn sons would be that only four verses before noting “Adam lived one hundred and thirty years, and begot a son…and named him Seth” (5:3), the text mentions two of Seth’solder brothers (Genesis 4:25). What’s more, when Genesis 5 indicates that “Seth lived one hundred and five years, and begot Enosh” (vs. 6), or that “Enosh lived ninety years, and begot Cainan” (vs. 9), etc., there is nothing in the text that proves these were firstborn sons. They may have been, but they may not have been. Interestingly, not only is the first son mentioned in Genesis 5 clearly not a firstborn son (5:3), the chapter concludes by mentioning that “Noah was five hundred years old, and Noah begot Shem, Ham, and Japheth” (5:32), yet Shem apparently was not Noah’s firstborn, though he is listed first (cf. Genesis 7:6; 8:13; 11:10). Nor is the text implying that Noah’s sons were triplets, anymore than Genesis 11:26 implies that Abraham was a triplet (cf. Genesis 11:32; 12:4; Acts 7:4; see Lyons 2004).

The fact of the matter is, the emphasis in Genesis 5 is on those who would “call on the name of the Lord” (4:26), including Enoch, who “walked with God” (5:22,24), and Noah, who was a “preacher of righteousness” (2 Peter 2:5) during a time when “the wickedness of man was great in the earth” (Genesis 6:5). Concurrently, Genesis 5 also emphasizes the Messianic lineage from Adam through Shem. [NOTE: Interestingly, many prominent sons in the genealogy of Jesus were not firstborn sons (e.g., Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Judah, etc.).]

While some may see “tension” between Genesis 4 and 5, and while others may see a “clear contradiction” between the two chapters, when we carefully consider the biblical text, its t***hfulness is clearly seen: (1) Cain and Abel were older brothers of Seth, and (2) the sons listed in Genesis 5 were not necessarily firstborn sons. Bible students must be careful making assumptions about the text.

REFERENCES

Dimattei, Steven (2013), “#7. Who is Adam’s first son: Cain or Seth? (Genesis 4:1 vs Gen 5:3),”Contradictions in the Bible, January 7, http://contradictionsinthebible.com/who-is-adam-first-son/.

Lyons, Eric (2004), “How Old was Terah when Abraham was Born?” 
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UncleJesse wrote:
Cognitive dissonance is boring but inter dimensional life and tribulation prophecy is interesting and creative use of literature. The secrets aren't made public due to the panic that would occur and if it doesn't happen, it is due to a heroic intervention in the 5th dimension that also can't be told due to the panic that would occur. Haven't you seen "Interstellar" yet? Matthew McConaughey explains it.



With exception. ..never in the history of the world has "creative use of literature" with fully one third of the bible being prophecy, and 100% accuracy of prophecies any "literature" written in separate manuscripts over thousands of years, predicted with such specific accuracy the exact times the world we now live in.
With mathematical odds being in the tens to the power of quadrillions...and all other non God beliefs based on theorys, when is enough evidence, enough?
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