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Jun 8, 2018 22:29:09   #
proud republican wrote:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/what-tariffs-has-the-u-s-tried-in-the-past-and-how-did-they-work-out/

How come nobody was screaming bloody murder then????? Why such h**e towards our President???

https://www.cnbc.com/video/2018/06/01/kudlow-us-would-welcome-talks-about-unfair-trading-practices.html


You forgot to read the entire article. To answer your question from your quoted article:
"The tariffs didn't go over well for the American economy as a whole. The Consuming Industries Action Coalition Foundation claimed in a February 2003 report that more Americans lost their jobs in 2002 due to higher steel prices than there were Americans employed in the steel industry that year. A September 2003 U.S. International Trade Commission report found the effect of the safeguard measures t***slated to a welfare loss of $41.6 million to the United States, and returns on capital fell by almost $300 million."

Trump didn't read the article and he doesn't know economic history. Obama/Bush are not president, Trump is. Either Trump can't learn from the past or he thinks he knows more about economics than history tells him.
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Jun 8, 2018 22:16:56   #
billman6 wrote:
And another thing, if you will remember Obama allowed the Russians to annex Crimea and did nothing about it. He also allowed them to shoot down a passenger plane and did nothing about it. He allowed them into Georgia and did nothing about it. Allowed the fighting in Ukraine to go on and did nothing about it. Wouldn't even help arm the Ukrainians. Allowed Syria to gas its own people, Drew his f**e red line and did nothing about it. But this is the man your so proud of? Your such a hypocrite.

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Why does Trump say that he is Russia's worst problem?
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Jun 8, 2018 00:57:38   #
bggamers wrote:
you know what I see more in my check now then I did with Obama so cut the BS


How much more in terms of %?
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Jun 8, 2018 00:56:35   #
Steve700 wrote:
Obviously from the things you have written. It's still undecided whether Trump is part of the global conspiracy are not, but it certainly seems that both he and Putin wish to retain the sovereignty of their own countries, rather than giving up personal freedoms, free speech and our national sovereignty over to an unelected elite who view us as though were a bunch of sheep that need to be managed. We should be making friends with rather than exacerbating the situation to cause a competitive, rather than a cooperative spirit. When Obama was 1st elected Provda (the old Russian c*******t propaganda newspaper) had an article about how we were being immersed into Marxism at the speed of the breaking of a great damn and how we unwittingly were unaware of it, beating our chest as we proclaim out for you. We are. They warned against us getting into Marxism because they actually learn something from their bloodied c*******t revolution and are far different now.

I see nothing to indicate Trump is trying in any way to destroy our national sovereignty. I only have a problem with how slowly results are coming forth with his taking on of the deep State's shadow government and our heavily embedded establishment corruption who are working towards the fulfillment of the g*******t agenda. Trump is certainly doing a good job in bringing our country back to health and the agenda of the g*******t is to bring us down to the level of other countries. (as Obama was doing in his promised fundamental t***sformation of America, which includes Marxizing us)
Obviously from the things you have written. It's ... (show quote)

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And the data for this is...??
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Jun 7, 2018 22:51:02   #
AT least Solyndra was an American company---piker compared to Trump's reaching out to his new best empire friend and offer to let ZTE, a sanctioned and known technical risk, to market in the US for a mere $500B "loan" for a Trump Tower in the Orient. I guess we can call that international crony capitalism: MChinaGA. Give trump credit--three orders of magnitude better cronyism than Obama, genius.
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Jun 7, 2018 22:35:58   #
Steve700 wrote:
You obviously reside in opposite land. The situation is actually a lot worse and even Fox News will tell you. There are only allowed to say so much. It is the g*******t agenda to work us into a one world government. That is why the subversive deep State's shadow government is trying to destroy America, so they can build a totalitarian system from the ashes, where everyone is socially engineered to think the same. Fox is not allowed to tell you that. It's no longer liberal versus conservative; it's g*******t versus patriot. Do you really want to give up your personal freedoms, your free speech and our national sovereignty to join a NWO under the rulership of godless (actually Luciferian) unelected elites who view us as though we were a bunch of sheep that need to be managed ??????Those are the real facts, now what are the facts as you believe them to be?
That your fantasy l*****t utopia without Christian values will be just wonderful where everyone is equal, loves each other, have a lot of personal freedoms and lives on a high standards as we have been accustomed ??? (They're going to fix your air-conditioners so they won't even be able to come on until at least 78°, and that's a fact --- I can't even sleep right unless it 65 or less)
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Why do you assume I am a l*****t? Why do you assume I am a non-Christian? Why do you assume I yearn for a utopia? Why do you assume that trump is not at the head or wants to contribute to a global conspiracy when he wants to cozy up to Putin by making a market for Putin's oil and by allowing a rogue ZTE back into the country--the formation of a Sino-Russian-US economy would rule the world and is a possible natural alignment according to Niall Ferguson. (Unfortunately, trump would be the odd-man-out in that triumverate--they would out maneuver him in a NY minute by flattery, of course). Why can't the actions of trump be equally interpreted as a move to destroy national sovereignty rather than extend it instead of his being the savior of western christian civilization with its "all men created equal" ?
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Jun 7, 2018 18:56:57   #
pafret wrote:
It seems you are taking liberties with the very few who serve our nation by imputing their patriotism and sacrifices to all those under the age of twenty-one. It would be equitable to grant the right to v**e to all men and women who are serving on active duty and let the rest who have no skin in the game wait.

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That may be fair but I think it would take an amendment to the Constitution. Look how long it has taken the ERA to get close to passing.
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Jun 7, 2018 18:51:16   #
son of witless wrote:
I find it amusing that liberals who are experts in welfare, crony capitalism, and high taxes suddenly care about who gets the most tax dollars among states. Sounds like pork envy.

You err, witless: conservatives invented crony capitalism. For our amusement, how about providing some data rather not even trying to refute the facts. Ohhh, yes, we know, f**e facts.
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Jun 7, 2018 17:13:05   #
Steve700 wrote:
Obama did exactly what you said he didn't do. You made our allies not trust us, treated Israel as an enemy (Muslims h**e Jews) and befriended our enemies. But then he's a g*******t and internationalist brought up in America hating countries, particularly the Muslim country of Indonesia, where he learned Arabic and memorized the Koran. To say Trump lied 3000 times is nonsense. You're taking the word of f**e news liars and even then most of what they speak of his exaggerations rather than lies. Obama was a far bigger liar and a deliberate pathological liar (which Trump is not) than Trump could ever be. If you want our country back in its leadership role, lighting the way for human rights, acceptance, dignity and decency, leading by example not empty rhetoric, Then You Should Be Loving Trump.
Obama did exactly what you said he didn't do. You ... (show quote)

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Fauxconservatives say, My mind is made up, don't confuse me with facts.
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Jun 7, 2018 17:01:04   #
EileenForward wrote:
I dont know about any of you but I truly feel that along with any who are NOT LEGAL USA CITIZENS, that 18yr olds should NOT BE ALLOWED TO V**E.
Seems to me at 18yrs old, most cant even figure out how to cook, wash, pay bills, without the assistance of mom & dad. They are still wet behind the ears and the last people to make a somewhat intelligent decision in choosing candidates to run for office.
Whats your opinion?

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You make a good case for universal military training where cop-outs with heel spurs who are reluctant to serve could be cooks or latrine swabs and learn a trade.
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Jun 7, 2018 16:50:10   #
Lonewolf wrote:
Folks I can't believe it but we have a president who can't sing God bless America, he doesn't know the words

http://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/trump-fumbles-song-lyrics-tweets-about-melania-facelift-rumors-1250203203706

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The ironic thing is it wasn't a football game that he could duck out of (Pence-style); it was the event that Trump himself organized to try to avoid the embarrassment of not enough Eagles (who never took a knee during the season) showing up at the White House. It is clear that patriotism and narcissism don't mesh well. Love that Marine band.
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Jun 7, 2018 16:40:32   #
son of witless wrote:
So you think the trade offs in California are worth it compared to North Dakota ? I think your scumbag Democrats are maybe 3 steps from turning California into Venezuela. Here is another look at what they have done. Your scumbags like to constantly berate America for the gap between rich and poor. Okay lets us look at how that is in the state where they have the most control. One would think that in Liberal Mecca California there would be no gap between the rich, the middle class, and the poor. So lets us see if in that is true. I am sure it is.

http://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/04/income-ine******y-in-california-forcing-residents-to-sleep-in-cars.html

This is why I always say, you never ever ever v**e Democrat. If the other guy is an ax murderer, v**e for the ax murderer. He is far far less dangerous than the bestest Democrat.
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Sonofwitless,
Let's see where states reside in terms of dollars the federal government spends per person compared to the amounts citizens pay in federal income taxes:
TOP TEN: South Carolina $7.84
North Dakota
Florida
Louisiana
Alabama
Hawaii
Mississippi
New Mexico
Kentucky
West Virginia $2.20
BOTTOM TEN (from the bottom up)
Deleware $0.50
Minnesota
Illinois
Nebraska
Ohio
Kansas
New York
Colorado
Vermont
New Jersey $0.90

California is 13th from the bottom at $0.95.

So it looks like the top states (exception of HW and possibly NM) that eat at the fed trough are red states while only three red states (NB,UT,and KS) appear in the column that take substantially less from the fed. But the real message is how much more the the top 10 takers take ($7.87-2.20)
compared to what the bottom 10 takers take ($0.90-0.50).
Looks like the trend is for federal welfare going to red states particularly in the south.
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Jun 5, 2018 14:00:17   #
slatten49 wrote:
[quote/Steve700] "Trump is really more of a serial exaggerator than a liar and he says things he believes, but is not 100% sure of because he doesn't have a filter on his mouth, since he doesn't think 1st about how his words will be accepted or interpreted, but -----"
Google: Donald Trump's ‘Personal Vietnam’
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In 1997, Donald Trump, who showed his personal courage by dodging the draft in the 1960’s, had the gall to compare his heroism by sleeping with multiple women to the heroism shown by the brave men and women who served the United States in Vietnam.

Interviewed by Howard Stern in 1997, Trump had the audacity to make the incredible claim that by risking his schlong to venereal disease from his sexual peccadilloes, his courage matched those who gave their lives facing mortar fire and bullets across the sea. Speaking of his sexual exploits, Trump bragged, “I’ve been so lucky in terms of that whole world. It is a dangerous world out there. It’s scary, like Vietnam. Sort of like the Vietnam-era. It is my personal Vietnam. I feel like a great and very brave soldier.”

Trump has a history of hyperbolic statements regarding his own courage, having likened his time in military boarding school to actual military training. He told the author of a book about Trump that his time in military school gave him “more training militarily than a lot of the guys that go into the military.”

The rich man protected himself by gaining multiple deferments to avoid being drafted while others fought overseas.

Trump likening himself to genuine heroes dovetails with his “genuine” regard for veterans in general; Trump’s respect ends when it endangers his business. In 1991, he wrote a letter to John Dearie, then-chairman of the state Assembly’s Committee on Cities, decrying the presence of veterans who were peddling on Fifth Avenue. Trump wrote: “While disabled veterans should be given every opportunity to earn a living, is it fair to do so to the detriment of the city as a whole or its tax paying citizens and businesses? Do we allow Fifth Ave., one of the world’s finest and most luxurious shopping districts, to be turned into an outdoor flea market, clogging and seriously downgrading the area?”

The city of New York started making peddling exceptions for veterans in 1894 so disabled Civil War veterans could make a living.

"It is my personal Vietnam. I feel like a great and very brave soldier." Donald Trump, likening his risk of STDs from sleeping around to American soldiers in Vietnam

Of course, this is the same man of courage who said of Sen. John McCain, locked in a box for five years in Vietnam rather than desert his comrades-in-arms, “He’s not a war hero. I like people that weren’t captured, OK?”

Trump comparing the risk of venereal disease to his g*****ls to the heroism of those who fought and died for their country is enough to turn your stomach.
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[quote/slatten49] I write the following because I feel further needs to be said about Donald Trumps' comments on the Howard Stern Show about 20 years ago.

In the field, particularly, but also on the hospital ship USS Sanctuary in 1968, I saw kids my age whose bodies were ripped apart by gunfire from rifles or automatic weapons, artillery rounds, mortar rounds and booby traps from the enemy in Viet Nam. My lesser wounds allowed me times to walk through the wards visiting those who were left without arms, legs, g*****ls or had suffered damage to various body parts, including their facial structure and features. Many had also lost all sense of who they were before incurring such wounds, from psychological and emotional damage. I had a kid younger than I die in the bed next to me. IMO, he died of a broken heart. The day before, he had received a 'Dear John' letter from his fiancee' back home. That letter (again, IMO) destroyed his will to live. This, after he had struggled mightily to achieve a certain degree of recovery...enough to have him scheduled to go on to Japan for better treatment and surgery necessary to guarantee a somewhat normal life.

For Trump, in any way, to compare the 'dangers' of dating from STDs, etc. to the experiences of young men who sacrificed their lives and body parts in combat service to their country in Viet Nam or any war was/is abominable to me. When I first became aware of his comments, I was livid with anger. This many years later, I am reminded of the callousness and obvious disregard for the feelings of friends or families who lost loved ones in that or any war shown by Mr. Trump. Whether one chooses to call his tone "mocking," "sarcastic," or just down-right thoughtless, I cannot forgive him. Neither could I tolerate his belittling of John McCain's service or the associated belittling of all POWs for 'getting captured.' I won't listen to anybody who tells me he didn't belittle all of them with his all-encompassing remarks. I watched and listened/heard his own words. I personally know two living POWs and knew a survivor of the Bataan death march of American POWs in WWII. The last died a number of years ago, but the other two survived tortuous treatment by their captors and remain with us today. By surviving, they each were able to return and have families that, no doubt, help each forget the months and years of their imprisonments.

Trump's statements exceeded stupid, especially since he was playing to an audience and being recorded, both for radio and TV...and, for posterity. He was, at that time, also around the age of fifty...an age most would have shown some maturity and empathy for those who did not have his good fortune in escaping service before, during and after college, but instead served their nation. Again, the families and friends who either didn't return from that horrific war, or, returned physically and/or psychologically maimed did/do not need to be hearing of Mr. Trump's bravery and courage in the dating game being equated to other's service to country.
quote/Steve700 "Trump is really more of a ... (show quote)

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Bravo! Well researched and correctly stated!
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Jun 4, 2018 14:21:46   #
buffalo wrote:
The myth of "trickle down economics" is what creates and supports policies that have kept the rich wealthy, the middle class dwindling, and the poor immiserated. Wealth created from the labor of the working class, not talking here about the man-made s**m called the stock market. Most of the material gains that poor and working-class people have made come via direct resistance to the wealthy and their corporations who create and profiteer from one financial and economic crisis to the next. Is this what one calls free market capitalism?

The American working class is more productive that it has ever been. Why has this not t***slated into higher wages?

"Since the 1982 “Conservative Revolution”, politicians have climbed into bed with big business magnates, creating a government that serves the rich and powerful. The rich previously took 40% of the profits before Reagan’s regulatory & tax “reforms”. Now, under “Conservative’s” under-regulated Capitalism, the rich take over 97% of the profits for themselves – as over 50% of workers at big companies like Walmart and McDonalds live in poverty."

As yucalandia said, "Yep, job creation by giving extra benefits to the rich is a myth."

https://yucalandia.com/2014/05/18/wealth-productivity-and-job-creation-myths-and-facts/

Who here believes that trumpy's and the republicans' Tax Cuts and Jobs Act will be anything more than another handout to the wealthy and big corporations and do nothing for the middle and poor classes?

The wealthy are NOT capitalists they are greedy.
The myth of "trickle down economics" is ... (show quote)

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Could not agree more as this parable indicates:
Metaphors abound to explain economic situations—e.g., “a rising tide lifts all boats.” Another describes a horse well-fed with oats excreting undigested oat kernels that are then eaten from the manure by the lowly sparrow; this is meant to depict the trickle-down (aka supply side) theory of economics where the wealthy at the top of the financial chain are given special favors (e.g., lower taxes) to benefit the middle and lower financial classes as they pick up possible financial scraps from the investments of the wealthy.
The trickle-down parable might be valid for horses and sparrows, but it does not describe financial reality. Tax breaks to the wealthy are often prescribed under supply-side theory, but the GDP per capita growth rate was 4-times higher when the income tax was 81-85% than when it was in the 51-74% range.
David Stockman, as Reagan’s budget director, realized that supply-side economics would not work as he described in his self-admitted “youthful screed,” The Triumph of Politics: Why the Reagan Revolution Failed. Now a hedge fund manager, Stockman extends his thinking to an inevitable future financial collapse in an even ‘screedier,’ The Great Deformation: The Corruption of Capitalism in America where he describes contemporary financial problems being fueled by twin problems: “FDR’s repudiation of the bipartisan tradition of sound money and the New Deal’s incubation of crony capitalism.”
Stockman’s villains in his critique include Franklin Roosevelt, Nixon, Burns, Heller, Friedman, Connally, Schulz, Laffer, Weinberger, Greenspan, Gingrich, Ruben, W. Bush, Paulson, Geitner, Mack, Krugman, Summers, and Obama while his heroes through the years include Glass, Willis, Coolidge, Hoover, Douglas, Warburg, Truman, Eisenhower, George Humphrey, Martin, Dillon, Simon, Volcker, Baker, Domenici, Clinton, O’Neill, Ron Paul, Shelby, Bair.
One notes that these are not Republican vs. Democratic divides. While Democrats are correctly seen as loose spenders and Republicans are equally correctly categorized as the prime perpetrators of crony capitalism, Stockman’s list blurs that divide. It would seem that a possible impending financial crisis and its solution are not found in the vision of the political parties. Who will lead us out of this serious problem? Some folks on this site will offer Trump. But is there any evidence in the past twelve months that The Donald has the answer as he vows to keep Social Security and Medicare in place and as he stacks his administration with the epitome of crony-capitalist bankers from Goldman Sachs?
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Jun 4, 2018 02:06:24   #
ldsuttonjr wrote:
t***hiness: Or better yet stupidness! You are totally wet on the free market concept! No matter what kind of ideology one lives under; There will always be poor people, and masses surpressed. We are delusional to think in this Country the poor are hungry. They aren't. It's another big lie liberal/socialist use to win public opinion about a matter the public is too lazy to find the real t***h. I don't understand why you are so opposed to people being made to work for their keep. In Japan there is no welfare. Japan is what the US used to be. Now, because of our welfare programs, the homeless are everywhere in urbane areas but, not in rural areas. Why is that? Could it be that country folk have a much higher self-image that people in the Cities? Entitlements compose 1 trillion of the 3 tril annual budget. What happens when that figures grows to 1.3 tril or 1.6 trillion. Under Obama welfare has grown 32%. Welfare unsustainable @ it's current growth rate. America will be domed, along with all forms of entitlements, including SS, Medicare, Obama Care, disability. A million i******s pouring in every year exploding the welfare and educational costs. We assume that the US will be the world economic power. There is much evidence that indicates that will not come to pass. Progressives/ Socialists in spite of our definitions are one and the same. What do we call one who stands for more welfare and free medial care at the expense of all others of a society? What do you call one who advocates a living wage for all without regard to the qualification or performance of the worker? What do you call one who advocates no corporate profits and workers to share in any and all profits without regards to return on investments? What do you call one who does not believe in free markets or selling one's labor to the highest bidder? What do you call one who wants to do away with the old and bring the new without regard to the benefits the old has birthed?

China, Russia, Cuba, and et.el. have thrown off the thorns of capitalism and the workers shared all. The proletariat was supposed to be equal kings and queens. Administrators, doctors, lawyers, all were made equal,. The economies tanked and hundreds of thousands starved. Those who went back to capitalism are now growing, or thriving. Those progressives, socialists, c*******ts have come full circle. The US progressing onward to full c*******m but it too will fail when it reaches the apex. Perhaps; who will live long enough to realize the folly of our imaginations; I am sure I will not. Go back to sleep!
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This is question that I would sincerely appreciate Steve700's answer to or comments about. In your original paragraphs you asserted that l*****ts see economics as a zero-sum game. Do you think that jr is in fact asserting that market economics in the west is a zero-sum game?

suttonjr,
A few clarification facts:
"Last year, the Japanese government recorded relative poverty rates of 16%—defined as the share of the population living on less than half the national median income. That is the highest on record. Poverty levels have been growing at a rate of 1.3% a year since the mid-1980s."
"According to this new measure, 16% of Americans lived in poverty in 2011, compared with the official figure of 15.2%. The new measure also estimated that nearly half of all Americans lived in poverty that year, defined as living within 200% of the federal poverty line."

Have a great week!
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